Note: The reason why fn:position() takes no argument is because it gives position in the current sequence. Which is also why we have a separate DFDL specific function dfdl:occursIndex() which is intended for giving position in enclosing array. I think we need an argument that targets the specific enclosing array. Regards Steve Hanson Architect, IBM DFDL Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 From: Tim Kimber/UK/IBM@IBMGB To: dfdl-wg@ogf.org, Date: 28/07/2014 23:51 Subject: Re: [DFDL-WG] clarification on dfdl:occursIndex() function Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org I agree that it is inconvenient for the 'nearest array parent' to be inaccessible. However, experience with discriminators makes me fearful of any rule that includes the phrase 'nearest enclosing' :-) I think at least one other DFDL function allows the target of the function to be specified as an argument, but insists that the argument must be in the dynamic scope of the element ( i.e. its parent/grandparent etc ). I would be much happier with that solution for occursCountIndex(). I can think of a use case where it may be useful to get a consistent behaviour for occursCountIndex(). If a DFDL schema is generated from some other data format description then the model generation code may want to refer to the nth occurrence of something else in the model, where n is the occurs index of the current element - regardless of whether this particular element is an array. regards, Tim Kimber, From: Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl@gmail.com> To: "dfdl-wg@ogf.org" <dfdl-wg@ogf.org> Date: 28/07/2014 23:27 Subject: [DFDL-WG] clarification on dfdl:occursIndex() function Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org This function says it can be called on non-array elements. However, it does not say what the result is. If called when "." is not itself an array element there are only two possible behaviors consistent with the fact that it is explicitly allowed on non-array elements. The result has to be either (a) 1 (b) the occursIndex of the nearest enclosing array parent, or 1 if there is no enclosing array parent. I claim (a) is fairly pointless. You will just end up having to create newVariableInstances to carry the array current index downward into expressions. I cannot think of a use case where one would want to call occursIndex() polymorphically, i.e., where you want a number in the case of an array, but 1 otherwise. So (b) is the preferable behavior. Mike Beckerle | OGF DFDL Workgroup Co-Chair | Tresys Technology | www.tresys.com Please note: Contributions to the DFDL Workgroup's email discussions are subject to the OGF Intellectual Property Policy -- dfdl-wg mailing list dfdl-wg@ogf.org https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/dfdl-wg Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- dfdl-wg mailing list dfdl-wg@ogf.org https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/dfdl-wg Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU