January 2005 - dfdl-wg - lists.ogf.org

domain name - dataformat.org
by mike.beckerle＠ascentialsoftware.com 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

I was checking into domains, as we've been writing things like dfdl.org into example code and slideware. dfdl.org is owned by some french or swiss foundation.. As a result dfdl.com/.net are owned by some web-name extorter. (For any .org name you'll find highly likely that the .com and .net of the same name are reserved by some company which will charge to sell it to you.) dataformat.com/.net is owned and in use by a company based in florida. However, amazingly dataformat.org is available, so I've asked Ascential to park this domain. That is, reserve it, to avoid anyone else grabbing it out from under us. When the right time comes we'll transfer this domain to whomever the right organization is. So if you are noodling around in xml e.g., creating things like <appinfo source="..."> lines, you can put http://dataformat.org <http://dataformat.org> in as the source; however, don't put dfdl.org in there, since that's a known and used domain name, and we want to stay out of brand/name/controversy. ...mikeb

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RE: [dfdl-wg] Microsoft Biztalk Flat File Extensions
by mike.beckerle＠ascentialsoftware.com 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Yup. I thought the same thing. Philosophically all very similar. Different in all the details. Like the IBM system it's quite machine-centric. I think we're shooting for a notch more human-intelligibility in the DFDL-WG currently. However, I'm a bit biased to NOT reach out to Microsoft and twist their arm for participation in our WG just yet. Not until we've made a bit more progress. We're really cranking on a prototype here at Ascential and I want to avoid distractions currently. ...mikeb _____ From: Suman Kalia [mailto:kalia@ca.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:30 AM To: mike.beckerle(a)ascentialsoftware.com Cc: dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org Subject: Fw: [dfdl-wg] Microsoft Biztalk Flat File Extensions Mike -- This seems quite similar to the proposal I submited based on Type Descriptor. They have a schema for the physical representation and the instances of which (eg. recordInfo, fieldInfo etc) appear as annotations on schema elements , attributes etc. Suman Kalia IBM Toronto Lab WebSphere Business Integration Application Connectivity Tools Tel : 905-413-3923 T/L 969-3923 Fax : 905-413-4850 Internet ID : kalia(a)ca.ibm.com ----- Forwarded by Suman Kalia/Toronto/IBM on 01/28/2005 09:20 AM ----- mike.beckerle(a)ascentialsoftware.com Sent by: owner-dfdl-wg(a)ggf.org 01/28/2005 04:36 AM To dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org cc Subject [dfdl-wg] Microsoft Biztalk Flat File Extensions Microsoft has a completely proprietary but otherwise DFDL-like thing in its bag of tricks too: see <http://www.winterdom.com/dev/bts/BTSFFSchemaTut2.html> http://www.winterdom.com/dev/bts/BTSFFSchemaTut2.html

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Fw: [dfdl-wg] Microsoft Biztalk Flat File Extensions
by Suman Kalia 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Mike -- This seems quite similar to the proposal I submited based on Type Descriptor. They have a schema for the physical representation and the instances of which (eg. recordInfo, fieldInfo etc) appear as annotations on schema elements , attributes etc. Suman Kalia IBM Toronto Lab WebSphere Business Integration Application Connectivity Tools Tel : 905-413-3923 T/L 969-3923 Fax : 905-413-4850 Internet ID : kalia(a)ca.ibm.com ----- Forwarded by Suman Kalia/Toronto/IBM on 01/28/2005 09:20 AM ----- mike.beckerle(a)ascentialsoftware.com Sent by: owner-dfdl-wg(a)ggf.org 01/28/2005 04:36 AM To dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org cc Subject [dfdl-wg] Microsoft Biztalk Flat File Extensions Microsoft has a completely proprietary but otherwise DFDL-like thing in its bag of tricks too: see http://www.winterdom.com/dev/bts/BTSFFSchemaTut2.html

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Microsoft Biztalk Flat File Extensions
by mike.beckerle＠ascentialsoftware.com 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Microsoft has a completely proprietary but otherwise DFDL-like thing in its bag of tricks too: see http://www.winterdom.com/dev/bts/BTSFFSchemaTut2.html <http://www.winterdom.com/dev/bts/BTSFFSchemaTut2.html>

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new specs from w3c
by mike.beckerle＠ascentialsoftware.com 26 Jan '05

26 Jan '05

This info FYI. We will be asked to position DFDL vis a vis XML optimized via XOP for example. I don't think this changes anything. These are again "prescriptive" data representation schemes. DFDL is descriptive. But it is addressing some of the "XML is too bloated and slow" concerns bit by bit. Also, I think XOP is only efficient if used to package large binary objects like images and such. If you had data with lots of small fields in it then XOP doesn't help. ...mikeb cg20W3C Specs for "Faster, Efficient" Web Services Section: 04. Application Development and Platforms The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) yesterday issued three recommended web services specifications, designed to efficiently package and transmit binary data included in, or referenced in, SOAP 1.2. The group has released XML-binary Optimized Packaging (XOP), SOAP Message Transmission Optimization Mechanism (MTOM) and Resource Representation SOAP Header Block (RRSHB). In a statement, the W3C said the specifications means web services "just became faster and more usable." Michael Curry Ascential SOA Product Marketing O: 508-599-7157 M: 508-904-7384 <http://www.ascential.com/> http://www.ascential.com

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RE: [dfdl-wg] F2F Meeting Status Report
by mike.beckerle＠ascentialsoftware.com 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

I posted this revised set of F2F status notes on gridforge. There will probably be some reason why somebody can't see it. So please try to get to it. Title is ggf-dfdl-wg-2004-12-06-meeting-summary002 and there are .doc and .pdf variants. ...mikeb _____ From: Myers, James D [mailto:jim.myers@pnl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:25 AM To: dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org Subject: RE: [dfdl-wg] F2F Meeting Status Report Some suggestions/comments, mostly to capture info from the times we split into parallel discussions (paramterized types versus the TD model, discussion of reader,writer,filter, function at the end). Fixed a couple typos as well with everything tracked as changes. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-dfdl-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-dfdl-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of mike.beckerle(a)ascentialsoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:49 PM To: dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org Subject: [dfdl-wg] F2F Meeting Status Report Attached is my status on this F2F. This ".doc" file seems to work in both MS Word and OpenOffice, though the heading numbers do change somewhat. Comments, feedback, things I forgot are all welcome. I'll post to grid forge once people affirm that I have everything captured, or enough anyway. ...mikeb

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Conf. call Wednesday 2005-01-05 ??
by mike.beckerle＠ascentialsoftware.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

My calendar has us scheduled for a call this week. Shall we do it?

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