September 2009 - dais-wg

RDF Telcon Minutes
by Mario Antonioletti 25 Sep '09

25 Sep '09

Minutes from today's call - not so good as chairing and minuting not that compatible - steven, oscar feel free to add or change anything I have said. DAIS RDF Telcon - 25 September 2009 =================================== Attendees: Mario Antonioletti, EPCC Steven Lynden, AIST Oscar Corcho, UPM Planning: - Motivational document - Planning --- Mario has still got some concerns about the ontology part of the motivational document and submitting the document as is might set these in stone. His main issues are: - Use of terminology: some of it is a bit unwieldy - The sheer number of operations and their scope. Some of them are doing management of the underlying resource which would be out of scope for DAIS. This may also have an impact on the number of implementations that may arise. - This has an impact in the effort that is going to have to be used for interop testing. It may well be that things have changed since he last read the document properly so he would like to give the document another read and think about the implications. Steven thinks that more examples should be given of what sort of activities would be enabled by each of the profiles. It would be good if these could be cross referenced to the use cases. Oscar said that he and Miguel will try to come up with these. Discussion Fig 5 and 6 are a bit too complex and contain too much detail. May want to revise. The possible impact that would happen if the W3C SPARQL update group were to come up with a W3C spec - the query spec could support it by adding a new supported language URI, the ontology spec would offer a complementary way of doing updates. Addressed one comment - removed the GRIMOIRES reference for the document. Plan: Mario will try to read through the document hopefully over the weekend and put something up by Monday. In the meantime Oscar/Miguel can supply examples of the functionality each profile would enable and send to the list/add to the document if they have the document write token. Miguel/Oscar get the write token Mon-Wed (if Mario has done his bit by then). Steven picks up the write token Thursday & Friday. Have another telcon on October the 5th at 8am UK time to discuss whether the document is in a state to submit to the OGF Editor. Once the motivational document has gone through the 30 day comment period the Query spec can go through the review OGF review process if there are no major issues with the motivational document. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Mario Antonioletti:EPCC,JCMB,The King's Buildings,Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. | |Tel:0131 650 5141|mario@epcc.ed.ac.uk|http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~mario/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

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RDF Telcon Reminder
by Mario Antonioletti 24 Sep '09

24 Sep '09

Hi, Just a quick reminder that we are due to have a DAIS RDF Telcon reminder tomorrow (Friday 25th September) at 8am UK time (GMT+1). The usual agenda: - Motivational document - Planning Miguel is going to try to get Oscar's changes done by the call. Hopefully we are now close to submitting this document to the OGF Editor. Call details ------------ Participant access code: 23057332 then # Primary dial-in number: 08445610081 or if dialling internationally +44 2078193600 Or local access alternatives: Italy 0269682731 USA West Coast 4089616553 USA East Coast 7183541169 Japan 0335708256 Spain 912702479 South Korea (0)234831059 Germany 06950070811 France 0171230055 Mario +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Mario Antonioletti:EPCC,JCMB,The King's Buildings,Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. | |Tel:0131 650 5141|mario@epcc.ed.ac.uk|http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~mario/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

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Motivational document updated...
by Miguel Esteban Gutiérrez 24 Sep '09

24 Sep '09

Dear all, Ive just updated the motivational document in GridForge according to Oscars review. Appart from this, Ive accepted the changes proposed by Mario. Cheers, Miguel Logo_OEG Miguel Esteban Gutiérrez Ontology Engineering Group Facultad de Informática - Universidad Politécnica de Madrid C/ Ciruelos, 2, Boadilla del Monte, 28660 - Madrid - ESPAÑA Phone: +34 91 336 36 70 Fax: +34 91 352 48 19

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Interp Document Submitted
by Mario Antonioletti 23 Sep '09

23 Sep '09

Hi, I submitted the interop document for the WS-DAI and WS-DAIR proposed recommendations to the OGF Editor. http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/tracker/do/viewArtifact/projects.ggf-editor/t… A number of small changes were made to get to the final version. I made myself the "Corresponding author" but I'm willing to change to change that if someone else (in the author list) wants the accolade. You can pick the final document from the above link or from the documents section in the DAIS-WG page. A big thanks to the folks that participated in the interop process and in the authoring of the document: Sunil, Steven and Mike. If you have any comments on the document then please hold off until it enters the public comment phase. Mario +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Mario Antonioletti:EPCC,JCMB,The King's Buildings,Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. | |Tel:0131 650 5141|mario@epcc.ed.ac.uk|http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~mario/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

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Last Call: DAIS DAIR Interop Document
by Mario Antonioletti 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

Hi, We believe that we have completed an interoperability testing process for two independent implementations of the WS-DAIR OGF proposed recommendation (GDF.76) (also the WS-DAI core proposed recommendatio (GFD.74) which must also be implemented in order to implement WS-DAIR). We have written an experiences document detailing the process undertaken, the results of the test which achieved interoperability, as define by this document, and a number of changes suggested to GFD.74 and GFD.76 as a result of this exercise. The document is available at: http://tinyurl.com/nf2buu Pick version 35 (or higher). We would welcome any comments/suggestions/clarifications/typos from members of the working group and interested parties before submitting it to the OGF editor. I propose that this be done in a weeks time (23rd of September 12pm UK time) so you have a week to lodge any comments. Thanks in advance, Mario +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Mario Antonioletti:EPCC,JCMB,The King's Buildings,Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. | |Tel:0131 650 5141|mario@epcc.ed.ac.uk|http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~mario/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

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DAIS Interop Telcon Notes
by Mario Antonioletti 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

DAIS Interop Telcon 15 September 2009 ===================================== Present ------- Mario Antonioletti, EPCC Steve Lynden, AIST Sunil Ahn, Kisti Mike Jackson, EPCC Agenda ------ - Final review of interop document --- There was a discussion of version 31 that Mario put up just before the call, mainly addressing the six comments and the formatting of the document (use of courier for operations, properties and file names). Folks were mostly ok about using courier font for operations. Most of the other comments were addressed during the call or will be addressed by Mario based on the discussion during the call. The plan is for Mario to put up another draft on-line (hopefully today), for Mike and Sunil to make sure that nothing was inadvertently broken, for Steve to make a sanity change of the document and, once this is done, for Mario to submit the document to the OGF Editor. Mario thanked everyone for having participated in this exercise. There may be a need for a further telcon after the document gets back from the OGF process otherwise this is indeed the final interop call. Steven will be presenting at the next OGF about this work. He asked Mike and Sunil if they could provide a slide/slides for the OGSA-DAI and AMGA DAIR implementations respectively. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Mario Antonioletti:EPCC,JCMB,The King's Buildings,Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. | |Tel:0131 650 5141|mario@epcc.ed.ac.uk|http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~mario/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

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Comment on 6_3_summary of WS-DAI and WS-DAIR Implementation - Experiences Documents
by Sunil Ahn 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

Dear Steven Lynden, 6.3 summary says "the two implementations did not support "GenericQuery"". However, you can find AMGA implementation passes the test condition of TEST22, TEST23 at page 26. Best Regards, Sunil Ahn. ----------------------------- Sunil Ahn Supercomputing Center, KISTI, 52-11, Eoeundong, Yuseonggu, Daejeon, 305-806, Republic of Korea e-mail : siahn(a)kisti.re.kr Phone : +82-42-869-0639 Fax : +82-42-869-0799

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Interop Telcon Reminder
by Mario Antonioletti 14 Sep '09

14 Sep '09

Hi, We shall be having hopefully our last inteorp telcon. I'm going through the interop document now. Hope to put something up afore the close of play today. Time for the call will be 08:30 am (GMT+1). Usual call details: Call details ------------ Participant access code: 23057332 then # Primary dial-in number: 08445610081 or if dialling internationally +44 2078193600 Or local access alternatives: Italy 0269682731 USA West Coast 4089616553 USA East Coast 7183541169 Japan 0335708256 Spain 912702479 South Korea (0)234831059 Germany 06950070811 France 0171230055 Mario +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Mario Antonioletti:EPCC,JCMB,The King's Buildings,Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. | |Tel:0131 650 5141|mario@epcc.ed.ac.uk|http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~mario/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

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DAIS RDF Telcon Notes
by Mario Antonioletti 08 Sep '09

08 Sep '09

DAIS RDF Telcon 08 September 2009 ================================= Attendees: Mario Antonioletti, EPCC Steven Lynden, AIST Oscar Corcho, UPM Miguel Esteban Gutierrez, UPM Planning: - Motivational document - Planning --- Miguel has read through the motivational document and will make some changes and upload tonight. There was a discussion about terminology. Strangeness of the terminology "Resource Data Resource" but resource is a term with a well defined meaning in RDF so do not want to lose the RDF audience. Discussion was postponed. Mario still feels uneasy about the number of operations in the ontology part having been gone through the interop process of the ontology part. Steve kind of echos this. Miguel argued that groups like SAGA have even more operations. Mario thought that SAGA was slightly different - the concern is over uptake and interop testing. Discussion was postponed. Question about the status of the motivational document and whether terminology defined should be normative. Mario argued that it was there for consistency between the two sub specs and perhaps it was more of a case that it SHOULD be used in this way and not MUST be used in this way. Diagram consistency is an issue: UML looks slightly out of place. Again, discussion on this was postponed until the document has evolved a little bit more. Shall try to do a quick iteration of the document in the following order: Miguel -> Mario -> Oscar -> Steven (next free person). Shall discuss the document at the next call at 8am on Friday the 25th of September. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Mario Antonioletti:EPCC,JCMB,The King's Buildings,Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. | |Tel:0131 650 5141|mario@epcc.ed.ac.uk|http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~mario/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

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DAIS RDF Telcon Reminder
by Mario Antonioletti 07 Sep '09

07 Sep '09

Hi, A brief reminder to note that we will be having a DAIS RDF based telcon on 08/09 at 8am UK time (GMT+1). I suggest we discuss: - Motivational document - Planning Call details ------------ Participant access code: 23057332 then # Primary dial-in number: 08445610081 or if dialling internationally +44 2078193600 Or local access alternatives: Italy 0269682731 USA West Coast 4089616553 USA East Coast 7183541169 Japan 0335708256 Spain 912702479 South Korea (0)234831059 Germany 06950070811 France 0171230055 Mario +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Mario Antonioletti:EPCC,JCMB,The King's Buildings,Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. | |Tel:0131 650 5141|mario@epcc.ed.ac.uk|http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~mario/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

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