Replying through list b/c I don't want this scumbucket disruptor having a mail header from direct email to 'sigAint'. No 'pissing contest' necessary. Your email's blocked at the server buhbye troll. On 09/17/2016 09:32 PM, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:

Taking this off-list, because it doesn't need to be on list. If you want to smear other's mailboxes with it in a pissing contest, go right ahead. I don't feel the need.

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I'm NOT a kid

So you say. No real way for me to know that though, is there?

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I've been a victim of US intel agency stalking, slander, and disruption operations. When it was still done with phone, and file cabinet, and punch cards (if computer methods were used at all)

If this is true, its supposed to impress me? Welcome to the club. You have any idea how many people have been similarly stalked? Fucken millions. Doesn't make you special, or mean you're a wrench in their gears. Cuz if millions of wrenches were in the gears, they wouldn't be spinning.

Punch cards, huh? They were phased out in the 60s. So that'd make you, at the youngest, around a 20-something in 1965 or so. Call it 20 in '65. So you're 71. On cypherpunks. With a handle like "Razer."

And getting your panties in a bunch about age?

I call bullshit.

Take it from me. I'm no where near 71. But I am old enough that if someone called me "kid" I wouldn't get all offended and try to "prove my age" like some fucking 4 year old talking about how they are 4 and a half.

I'd say "Fuck man.. I wish. Those were good days."

But whatever. Your age is actually irrelevant to me.. I meant "kid" more as "get with it, son." Age, proper has nothing really to do with it. But thanks for the line of bullshit about punch cards to prove it.

lulz.

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Right. So another internet warrior who preaches to the converted (does ANYONE on cypherpunks need to be convinced of the abuses of power?) thinking their life is a great wrench in the gears of power.

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Blah blah My life IS a monkey wrench in their gearworks. In real life, in real time.

Prove it. Because shit-talking on the net does fuck-all. Point me to one widely-read article where you exposed previously unknown secrets, or even linked together some public facts to give a new view of a situation. Show me original research. Show me a piece of code you wrote that in any way would piss off a fed.

Show me one single, tangible thing, that you've done to help other people resist state power.

Because if you think running 'whois' and speculating about a two-bit law office on a dis-frequented, unknown mailing list, is being a "wrench in the gearworks" you're fucking deluding yourself.

I'll grant you've probably inspired some people you know personally, and thats admirable.. truly.. and its needed; but unless it has the possibility of catching fire on the net and crossing borders, its no wrench in the gears, mate.

At best its some dust adding to the friction, but its no wrench.

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You say. Your older or passed relatives have number tattoos on their bodies? Some of mine did. They weren't 'watching the moves'.

I dunno. Some of my older relatives have ink, and lived outside the law.. maybe one of them got a prison ID number put on at some point. I wouldn't know for sure. Never asked them to strip down, and I know well enough not to ask about things they don't offer to talk about.

But having hard-ass relatives in biker gangs isn't enough to vet me.

And having relatives that got caught up in the political machines means fuck-all for you, too.

I'd expect a 71 year old long time activist to understand these things.

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Been waiting a long time. Like waiting for the stars to align. My life is a monkeywrench. Waiting is bullshit.

Who the fuck is talking about waiting? Figure it out. Work on the problem. Figure out a way to culture jam, even if on a small scale..

Dig up information on that law firm, if it really interests you. Put together that original research. Schmooze them, maybe get a free meal out of it, and get pics of the people behind the scenes. Dox the fuck out of the whole op if you want.

I really don't want to denigrate YOU, or discourage you -- but the point I'm trying to make is that cypherpunks isn't the place for this thing, man. We get it. Anyone that makes it to this list gets it, in some way or another.

Reposting articles and chit-chatting about how so-and-so could likely be in bed with DHS means shit. Get the proof.

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You assume I'm emotionally involved?

ROTF ROTF ROTF!

You're fishing.

No. It's obvious that you're got all offended at my original post because I didn't fall in with what you wanted. I didn't respond with "hot damn these elite fucks piss me off, I'm with you man.. lets piss and moan about it on cypherpunks"

And don't get me wrong - the game DOES piss me off. But it does no good to approach it this way. Learning the ins and out, and watching the stooges does no real good if you don't take steps to STOP them.