On 07/18/2020 07:48 AM, Karl wrote:

i feel so furious reading this! it becomes so hard to do my work! zig why are you saying these things?

He's saying those things to piss you off. Not you, personally, but people generally who care what randoms on the webs say. More than that, it's hard to say. Z used to be more of a normal geek on this list. But then he started trying to satirize and out-troll Juan aka punks@tfwno.gf, who's been here like forever. So Z has more or less inverted Juan's tropes, in prototypically Australian style.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 2:23 AM Zig the N.g wrote:

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So chaos is wanted by some, and in the face of despotism, it is sometimes hard to argue against the karmic value of chaos.

And our resident friendly BatSoup n.gger certainly has Seattle City Councilman (man) Lisa Herbold on his side in the "bring on chaos" department of bringing on chaos.

Seattle City Council Member Suggests Firing White Officers In Massive Reduction Of Police Department Jonathan Turley,

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/07/17/seattle-city-council-member-suggests-f...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-city-council-member-suggests-fir...

[incredibly smug image of Lisa Herbold in original article]

The Seattle City Council is facing something of a dilemma in its popular pledge of the Seattle City Council to cut the police budget by 50 percent. To do so would require firing a significant number of police officers, which is also popular. The problem is that the firing would be done by seniority and many of the less senior officers are black.

The solution according to City Council member Lisa Herbold is simple: fire officers based on their race. https://www.seattle.gov/council/herbold

While that would be the definition of racial discrimination, Herbold clearly believes that it is discrimination for a good cause. The federal courts are likely to disagree. Most notably, Herbold’s call for racial discrimination against white officers would seek to undue the work of Justice Thurgood Marshall who insisted that racial discrimination unlawful and evil regardless of the race you want to disenfranchise or discriminate against.

Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best released a video calling the plan of Herbold and others “completely reckless.” She also sent a letter to Mayor Jenny Durkan warning that dramatic cuts would require the layoff of hundreds of officers. The Police Department also warned that the firings would include many minority officers.

https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/07/10/chief-bests-message-to-officers-ma...

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The Demon.rat n.ggers march ever onward to black utopia...

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 04:53:28PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:

On 07/18/2020 07:48 AM, Karl wrote:

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i feel so furious reading this! it becomes so hard to do my work! zig why are you saying these things?

He's saying those things to piss you off. Not you, personally, but people generally who care what randoms on the webs say.

More than that, it's hard to say. Z used to be more of a normal geek on this list. But then he started trying to satirize and out-troll Juan aka punks@tfwno.gf, who's been here like forever. So Z has more or less inverted Juan's tropes, in prototypically Australian style.

You're a kind Soul, Mirimir, and for this I am grateful. We not only have a right to own our thoughts, but some consider it a sacred duty. PC (politically correct) censorship, and worse, self censorship, is the usually tacit, often explicit, consent to censorship. This is consent to the "social Marxists" being in control of what words we may use, and therefore as explained a few times now, what thoughts are permissible. Such is dictatorship, plain and simple. In other words this is obviously the death of independent thought. And _that_ is the ultimate death of the individual, in that we all become now compelled to comply with the new orthodoxy, under threat of personal attack, the threat of society wide disintegration, and on the micro scale, the threat of being accused of "hurting" some "poor, damaged, uniquely fragile" individual. This all is a sort of penultimate rapture of narcissism, where the individual reigns so supreme, that he dictates acceptable speech (and therefore thought) for all, thus erasing all individuality and ensuring the homogeneity of all. This last is of course impossible in practice, but that never stopped the unthinking from being led in their lust for power and control from belligerently attempting to destroy all if they don't get their way. Quite literally "temper tantrums" of (psychologically) 4 year olds, in adult "university educated" bodies. Such is of course an utter disgrace and blight on the Western "education" system. And this existential battle of ideology (and truly too, a battle of wills) is heightened to its apex as the "liberal" world empire implodes on itself for want of an enemy (really, go back and read Dugin if you skipped over him - as Dr. Jordan Peterson states, knowledge is power). Dugin highlights the fundamental paucity of substance in what we think of as the "liberal world order" or "liberal" ideology: "liberalism" as we know it in the West is sadly lived as the negative 'freedom from'. For example: - freedom _from_ communism - freedom _from_ fascism - freedom _from_ "the suffocating social construct of gender" - etc As Dugin highlights, this "freedom from" is inherently negative, a "liberation" from this or that "evil", and so when the USSR fell, the End of History began, and with it, the inherent end of this negative "liberal"ism, since it had vanquished all enemies, we had been freed "from" the worst evils (the anti-liberalism (supposedly) of Russia's communism). Which is entirely ironic, as The End of History being caused by the demise of all liberalismi's "enemies", is simultaneously the end of that which opposes those "enemies", i.e. the very "liberalism" which succeeded (as it is a negative ("freedom from") in nature). Negative (freedom from) liberalism, cannot exist without an enemy to fight to the death and liberate us from. This normally would all be rather funny, except the present society wide consequences (for whatever superficial and other causes), are very significant, there is quite possibly great danger immediately ahead - so, we must tread very carefully. In this present penultimate insanity, all who fail to uphold the "freedom from" dogma of the day, are heathens, infidels who must be sacrificed on the alter of the Social Justice Cathedral. Historically, the literal death of infidels follows in short order, by the guns, torture and murder done by a dictator and his regime. We must tread carefully. The "4th political theory" which Dugin begins to put forth is ironically at once both an opposite of "liberalism and the glory of the individual", and yet it is also very similar and the term used "dasein" speaks directly to the _beingness_ of the individual! This is quite existential (!), yet admits of all aspects (and all needs) of the experience of the individual, rather than the eternally pithy "freedom _from_ some bad dogma 'out there'". Note however that dasein is wrt a positive and not a negative "individuality" or rather "experience of" - where the reality of the individual, his beingness, becomes central to some new "way" or "ideology": dasein (/ 4th political theory) is finally a truly existential construct, not the oh so superficial narcissism of the "negative freedoms _from_" which "liberalism" (as we unfortunately call it) supposedly "frees" us from. This is why today, with the phoenix of modern Russia just starting to rise again from her Western "king hits" coma she was in, we can say with no irony at all: Russia is simultaneously both more conservative, AND more liberal, than the West today (~2020). This is a stunning observation which Dugin's clarity (as small a seedling as it is) assists us in observing and comprehending. No small feat, that. The "liberal" West does in fact, in a very existential way, need Russia, not only as a counterpoint to our own (collective) evil and looming insanity, but as that star on the horizon guiding us from the pit we dug ourselves into; Russia is a construct of not only history, culture and family ("conservative" values which truth be told, most humans deeply crave) but is a philosophical construct to liberate us from liberalism, into a wholistic environment without which the individual is truly enslaved to his independence and individuality: - "independence" is truly an illusion, as we are intimately co-dependant on one another for technology, food, love and connection - "individual" means "I-divide-u-all" or "in separation, I am divided from you all" We crave, no we need love and connection, not separation - or we go quite literally insane and then we attempt to fill this gaping void (which maximal "individuality" rips inside of us) by going shopping, purchasing something to make us happy, fill the void, which of course no "thing" can ever do...

On 07/20/2020 04:28 AM, Zig the N.g wrote:

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 04:53:28PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:

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On 07/18/2020 07:48 AM, Karl wrote:

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i feel so furious reading this! it becomes so hard to do my work! zig why are you saying these things?

He's saying those things to piss you off. Not you, personally, but people generally who care what randoms on the webs say.

More than that, it's hard to say. Z used to be more of a normal geek on this list. But then he started trying to satirize and out-troll Juan aka punks@tfwno.gf, who's been here like forever. So Z has more or less inverted Juan's tropes, in prototypically Australian style.

You're a kind Soul, Mirimir, and for this I am grateful.

Hey :) I do get that you say stuff to trigger PC censorship routines, and that you don't just do it for lulz. And I do share your rejection of PC orthodoxy. Anyway, I'm not at all familiar with Dugin, so thanks for the intro. It's interesting, but sounds more collectivist than I'd want. I do live in a cohousing community, but it's more or less equivalent to a village, and not at all a collective. So does Dugin advocate sobornost style collectivism? And have you read Hannu Rajaniemi's treatment of that in his "Flower Prince" trilogy? As he tells it, all but the few strongest founders become slaves. <snip>

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 21:36:55 -0700 Mirimir wrote:

I do get that you say stuff to trigger PC censorship routines,

except there isn't any pc censorship on this list. harkness is just a white supremacist, trump cocksucker.