On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 04:46:44PM -0300, Punk - Stasi 2.0 wrote:

On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:49:48 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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Classes of nodes (from a node's perspective):

- direct friend nodes with a meat space asserted trust level, which may be anywhere on the trust axis - both above and below zero

you can have the option to mark nodes as 'trusted' or 'friends' but I don't think the network can or should be built assuming that there are 'trusted' nodes. So, no not a 'friend to friend' network.

Ack. You don't have to hop via friends, either initially, or at all. Config.

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Storage metrics, just as with network metrics, are also maintained in order to establish fairness - quid pro quo.

storage of what

Something that may or may not be encrypted, as in, I hand out a bunch of say 100KiB "storage undertaking" tokens - if they're on my mobile phone, compared with a permanently connected computer, that's a connectivity metric, and of course permanently connected tokens are more valuable. This is similar to Freenet, with a strong emphasis on quid pro quo, and "anonymous" or at least intended to be. If I want to upload a new 'tube, and I want it to be accessible at high speed in this overlay net, I need it split into suitably small chunks, and I need each chunk suitably replicated (so that if I replicate each chuck say 3 times, they're not all replicated on mobile phones normally only on at the same time - thus the need to store storage metrics. Desperate to upload my 'tube, I have a few options - find a free hosting service - host it myself - ask friends to host it - trade my own storage anonymized storage undertakings with others, and then make use of some randomized combination Having 'friends' is simply a way to use something that exists (actual friends, if I have any), to increase the difficulty of people gaming the metrics e.g. of a utilized storage undertaking. "Crowdsourced" metrics are something bittorrent does a bit of in this way...

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The internet as it was conceived has core design principles which are desirable for robustness and censorship resistance, such as peer to peer communications and flexible routing.

the internet is a global spying machine with close ties to the worst scum on the planet, the US military and accomplices. So I highly doubt that 'censorship resistance' has fuck to do with any 'core desing principle'

Anyway, that's off topic. I strongly suggest you focus on the main issue at hand : how to use cover traffic to make something that isn't as shitty as tor.

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In other words, the goal is high speed and relatively efficient network utilization

The goal is a safe space for criminals, both imaginary(govt designated) and real criminals.

And in order to make something that's better than 'low latency' networks speed and efficiency proably have to be sacrificed or traded off.

Such things are a trade off.

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I.e. "large file distribution" is a first class citizen in the IQNets network. With a shout out to cypherpunk Juan for suggesting the idea.

the idea is hardly mine at all - and while I think that yes file sharing as cover traffic makes sense, it won't necessariyl be high speed file sharing for fucktards who want to download the latest disney movie in ultra super highest quality.

Such must fall back to "zero hops, dl direct from Disneyflix". Having hops go first via friends may tend to incentivize such sane "fall backs".

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 04:58:43PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 09:06:24AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 04:46:44PM -0300, Punk - Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:49:48 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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Classes of nodes (from a node's perspective):

- direct friend nodes with a meat space asserted trust level, which may be anywhere on the trust axis - both above and below zero

you can have the option to mark nodes as 'trusted' or 'friends' but I don't think the network can or should be built assuming that there are 'trusted' nodes. So, no not a 'friend to friend' network.

Ack.

You don't have to hop via friends, either initially, or at all.

Config.

That said, a primary vector of GPA assumed capacity today, is at the very least statistical traffic flow analysis of packets in and out of your node (mobile phone, ADSL modem, satellite dish, wifi hotspot).

If you happen to be physically near to one or more friends or associates, and you each use 'modern' mobile phones, and are running IQNets, there are possible advantages to using this "ad hoc wifi mesh net" as a "backhaul darknet link(s)".

(Setting aside compromised hardware, which we assume is ubiquitous) having a backhaul which is "off grid" or "off govnet" is a packet mixing opportunity which we should not miss...

Of course, classifying local ad hoc wifi nodes as "friend" or "unknown" may not add much; but then again it might, depending on your personal (and therefore very unique) threat and usage model.

"There's gold in them thar chaff hills matey."

There might be a better name for this concept of "opportunistic ad hoc private back haul dark links", but as we improve our concept naming, the opportunities for benefits becomes easier to id at first glance... BLOPAH - Back-haul Links, Opportunistic, Private, Ad Hoc DLOPAH - Dark Links, Opportunistic, Private, Ad Hoc ("private" as in "off govnet, not via ISP or telco")

On 10/25/19, Punk - Stasi 2.0 wrote:

if you use a shitphone, you are part of the problem.

You're all clearly using a shitputer and shitphone, so speak for yourself. #OpenFabs , #OpenHW

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 09:06:24AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 04:46:44PM -0300, Punk - Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:49:48 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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Storage metrics, just as with network metrics, are also maintained in order to establish fairness - quid pro quo.

storage of what

Something that may or may not be encrypted, as in, I hand out a bunch of say 100KiB "storage undertaking" tokens - if they're on my mobile phone, compared with a permanently connected computer, that's a connectivity metric, and of course permanently connected tokens are more valuable.

This is similar to Freenet, with a strong emphasis on quid pro quo, and "anonymous" or at least intended to be.

If I want to upload a new 'tube, and I want it to be accessible at high speed in this overlay net, I need it split into suitably small chunks, and I need each chunk suitably replicated (so that if I replicate each chuck say 3 times, they're not all replicated on mobile phones normally only on at the same time - thus the need to store storage metrics.

One consequence of quid pro quo (QPQ) cache tokens, is that if I want my latest 'tube to be replicated X times, and I am relying on QPQ cache of other nodes, I will need to offer the amount of storage I am seeking - if my vid is 100MiB, and I want 3x replication, and I must QPQ (i.e. offer a storage token in order to obtain a storage tokens from others), this means I must offer to cache 300MiB, in order to get my vid cached 3x. Plus presumably I am storing my vid, which means 4x copies of the vid. Next, as torrents do today, sane P2P protocols should strongly incentivize "making available for upload, that which I download/ view".

Desperate to upload my 'tube, I have a few options - find a free hosting service - host it myself - ask friends to host it - trade my own storage anonymized storage undertakings with others, and then make use of some randomized combination

Having 'friends' is simply a way to use something that exists (actual friends, if I have any), to increase the difficulty of people gaming the metrics e.g. of a utilized storage undertaking. "Crowdsourced" metrics are something bittorrent does a bit of in this way...

Availability metrics can include, for the proactive vlogger, randomized "QPQ cache block" checks - d/l and check the SHA, store availability/ validity metrics accordingly.