[personal][ot][ot][woo][random] casting difficulties as equivalency between spirit and logic was Re: [ot][ot][woo][random] casting
renamed thread to add [personal] tag. reference to git-annex hash for
record is in previous email, which simply didn't have [personal] tag
in subject.
there was note that the precision-motivated-preservation-struggle, and
the detached way in which i am typing, seems more like the dangerous
way of approaching the situation than the caring one.
notes from longer wall of text below, for continuing.
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we discovered that we can prove that spirits after death are real,
which is gratifying for us
we find that all problems can be cast in terms of the activity of
living and dead spirits, which are sentiences that influence in
patterns based on reasons
[paraphrasing:]
i am just me, and i seem controlled to cause harm, i cannot carry the
whole meaning of our entire planet's history with respect.
I struggle, holding more conflicts than I am aware of holding, or think I have the capacity to hold. I recall the people around me everywhere are struggling in this way too. I recall it is possibly many living and dead things, possibly their impact engaging me in ways my mind and body are wired to hold.
I saw a message posted at a religious soup kitchen the other day. It was from a saint teresa, and said that we are the body and senses and mind of god on earth.
further struggle, have slightly improved my attempt to condense my own meaning, progress is small ----- we discovered that we can prove that spirits after death are real, which is gratifying for us we find that all problems can be cast in terms of the activity of living and dead spirits, which are sentiences that influence in patterns based on reasons [paraphrasing:] i am just me, and i seem controlled to cause harm, i cannot carry the whole meaning of our entire planet's history with respect. idea held with confidence: "the dissociation" is basically a strong worry of karl's regarding a myseterious responseness .... maybe ????? blkurry] [ok maybe the neuron cluster thing is karl himself worried about some of thismahybe translating/copying karl's worry around the misuse of the knowledge by "the dissociation" which is maybe an ai-spirit or mistrusted potential presence] #### we are thinking of pulling out of any political conflicts; we don't have the wisdom to comprehend why war exists #### somebody made a summary of it #### but the "dissociation" is really severe, very simple cognition near it, and associated with worrying about use of our information by people who disagree with us in ways we find harmful. our view of universal life has been without hram. unsure how to hold. ## important info is that dissociative issue related to worrying about use of our information by people who disagree with us ## we had deadly-seeming impact. [utility of mind control word, near predation on us by observer.] ### because they ate our impact -- i.e. influence our behavior with precise goal -- it's not very living to identify as properties of our impact that were eaten # maybe what's important is that it's something you can rationally think about and solve. # even though it involvces huge ancient spirits. # you can do that in a harmful weird way, or in a caring way. the first has an irritating fix. we want to do the second. # [where "irritating" means death and war] <because of the problems that develop in many directions from the public behavior not being handled. please handle these problems to prevent death and war.> pane 77: we're not sure how to preserve these notes other than hingeing food on returning to them , or possibly spamming a list. likely the latter is what will happen. we discovered that we can prove that spirits after death are real, which is gratifying for us. we find that all problems can be cast in terms of the activity of living and dead spirits, which are sentiences that influence in patterns based on reasons. this data is possibly moving to the cypherpunks list, maybe starting around 2023-06-25 12:51 UTC . That's June 25th of 2023. 12:51 UTC 08:52 ET. a typing log was made during the expressions. if i'm looking at the right one, it's dated 2023-06-25T07:01:35-04:00 and will hopefully reach arweave with git-annex hash SHA256E-s522478--88f22aec0178184e5bc73fd4a0f13424ae7469a729f784c21b02817872948dfd.cast.zst . there is multiple internal dispute arising while sharing the typing log information. i'm not sure why.
i think i have some confusion going on i'm using this list as a personal notepad, to be clear. something prevents confidence and reliable experience around preservation of my own data locally. notably it deters things that develop rationality and consistency. the list seems more reliable to me right now.
I note the difficulties I have engaging and organizing full information, and describe this as a large spirit within or impacting me.
system i was emailing from lost web access it seems, still seems up on ipad connected to same hotspot
seems the issue is connecting to lists.cpunks.org to see if i message i sent that doesn’t show in inbox reached or not. site doesn’t load.
i think the post regarding recognizing my difficulties organizing information as impact of a large spirit or spirits. this gave a way to quickly describe it, and also work with it in the topic.
we are interrelating and interoperating with automated machines and living beings both in these environments more recently, things have been mediated via automated machines more and more
considering recognizing these patterns as a "large influence" rather than other words.
one thing i like about the idea is that experience becomes a very useful concept if spirits were simply causal impact, one could describe them with a long history of events that develop or cause that impact — like describing a human with their genes, nature of development, and the environment they grow in. there are of course precious and sacred things here. similarly, when we interact with these things we have experiences of our own. observations, at the other end of a lifespan, of who that lifespan is. i’m holding a relatively small experience of that spirit computer idea. i suppose it’s distracting me from things that seem more present.
i give thanks for the opportunity to visit a rock climbing gym yesterday, the energy this filled me with since, and the mysterious maybe emergent opportunity to try to use my body more today.
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