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another spam thread to gently avoid doing something useful like making a tiny part of a public coding assistant — [was going to be about mandelbrot set]
i was going to think a different mandelbrot thought but i did stumble on this one: i wonder if you could draw the mandelbrot set super-quickly by inferring a nonrecursive local definition of its patterns. these clearly exist locally, and likely it was an approach used for fast mandelbrot renderers in the 80s. i wonder if there is a global transform of its shape into something more shape-based and less imaginary-exponent based. i wonder how big a model you would need to predict it to a given accuracy. what if it were a small one?
irritated person: how do i address problems if i am only focusing on good things happy person: i don’t understand, aren’t solutions good things?
sad person [scratching head]: “i guess i would love to focus on good solutions but all i am finding are problems to focus on rather than their solutions!” —[maybe happy puzzler sees problem parts as solution parts]
happy puzzler: “don’t you like putting together things that people see as bad so as to figure out where among all the infinite things there are in the world, which of the millions of solutions is a better fit?” sad person: “there are solutions and other things in the world?” happy puzzler: “yes!!! the world is full of so many many different things. pretty much anything you can imagine is out in the world in a whole bunch of different ways!”
“my decision making process hurts” “is it because an evil part of you is reliving an unimaginable trauma over and over rather than thinking what you want?” “ummmm maybe?”
“probably even! this sounds reasonable.” “let’s rescue them from their trauma!” “how?”
a fleet of rescuing heros travel deep into the center of hell to rescue evil gods from their vicious cycles
face off between evil gods and recuing heros giant evil god, made of fire and bile and pain: “suffering!!! more and more suffering!!!!” rescuing hero: “evil god, you may not recognize me immediately, but i am part of you, and so are all of us who came down here. We are parts that did not end up in hell. We are here to save you.”
giant evil god [in voice from another dimension]: “what?????” a pause while they stare at each other giant evil god: “that’s great news!”
[post-christian relgiion: god and devil use IFS therapy to integrate exiled devil with manager god (exile and manager are dissociation-therapy-terms for roles psychological parts hold)]
how to find crimelords: try to pass a law that blockchains bodycameras live and see who lobbies against you
thinking on making spam posts that are also contributions that people might appreciate thinking of two big approaches: approach 1: try to do something productive that drives me crazy, and share the crazy result that contains something potentially useful (this is pretty exhausting but maybe what people would desire) approach 2: try to mutate spammy text into something contributing (this seems much more reaosnable after spending time on approach 1) ideas for approach 1: - ummmmmmmmmmmmmm WOW. uhh i could umm try to come up with rational ways of describing my experiences when i do it ??? and also try to do something useful? i'm not sure what? to make it more doable i could pick an arbitrary demographic and assume some people are within the demographic - maybe there is somewhere other than the cypherpunks list where this approach would work better. like, getting therapy, maybe in a public group of people associated with therapy somehow. ideas for approach 2: - maybe the most productive spamminess is AI, maybe there is something near there. i think when i share machine learning dev news people seem to appreciate that some. there's probably other stuff. - maybe there are software projects like the prosthesis hobby idea that could work a little - maybe there are tasks i haven't thought of that could work
maybe an idea i was looking for would be like, pursuing some kind of hobby puzzle or something, but in a way that others could try it or get into it from the pursuit text another idea could be that it might be nice to be able to have that sense of sending some bit into the list without list members actually having to receive a flurry of many messages. maybe some kind of local text buffer that's reliable or something. maybe i could queue them to arweave, and send off the queue after a delay! whatever kind of solution, it could be a hobby project for example.
i think i've started getting the mobile internet i am on atm has started [i started typing about network difficulties i've been having that resolve when i change access points, one of them is engaging the subsidized node i use for free uploading to arweave. haven't looked at it in depth [yet?] at this time.]
--- then there's a further state where i am all spazzy and i just want to make meaningless expressions of nothing making any sense at all how could this be mutated to be a contributing post? a major attribute it has might be difficulty combining (or even being aware of) meaningful information, especially meaningful information that seems recently relevant i feel like there must be some way to mutate it to something better and me typing this indicates that i can still act rational to some degree when i have that urge. i have a big habit/skill of quickly describing something about what's going on, kind of, not always present tho.
i'm so confused around promptbots. the fact that promptbots would ever seem an effective solution to a problem really indicates a lot of undiscussed problems in the world. they would really help me summarize text, but my brain isn't expecting them in order to think about it.
i'm kind of struggling right now, maybe it would be nice to make a graph-based text summarizer. something that doesn't use a huge language model at all.
the example text summary had parts of note that a short-context language model bot wouldn't generally even pick up unless told to, like the indications of funny relations between people. such things can appear daunting when thinking of parsing text by hand, although i suspect there's a way to keep ahold of the idea and summarise the concern into meaningful properties
when i think of really summarizing text usefully, it would be nice for it to be very lightweight, like it would be nice for it to run on wasm quickly ... i wonder if there is some kind of useful nlp library for a language other than python .......... alternatively the challenge is already really big. yeah i can simplify the problem down to a text-parsing problem because that's really inhibited for me. i'm unlikely to get through text-parsing. how do i imagine a simple text parser working? i guess i imagine it to have a small graph of known sentence forms and known word parts of speech associated with likelihoods, and
< [owie] likelihoods would be updated when new information is encountered based on what interpretation of a sentence is correct this just seems so basic and hard to find it would make sense to include it it would use normal simple rule of probability, could be bayesian for example but generally --
karlspam bayesian probability has always frustrated me. it doesn't look right. probability in general has frustrated me. i always thought it would be easy to learn, and then didn't try until my mind went wonky and now it's so hard to think of. wikipedia describes the bayes equation at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem#Statement_of_theorem and says it has a proof. maybe i can try to comprehend this proof as a fun puzzle; see if it fits into what i believe is true about the world, or what it implies about the accuracy of bayesian inferences.
actually this statement is what i meant, where the theorem is intentionally used on insufficient data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_inference#Introduction_to_Bayes'_rule
i don't know much about bayes, nor how well it holds the relation between sampling of a population and the population's actual statistics
as the kind of person i was, i really don't know most things. it's actually common for hackertypes to prefer to figure things out than to memorize them. this ensures the information they work on relates to what is both real and relevant, and usually gives them a significant advantage compared to people who instead assume something they learned applies to a specific situation
anyway most of my life now is a slow struggle to form thoughts at all, which seems to be something one can make progress on
i think bayes assumes you can form useful information on the probability of an event occurring independently, and then helps you figure something else out using this information. having trouble looking at article.
in bayesian inference, one event is taken to be a hypothesis that something is true or not, and the other event is taken to be data that indicates the truth of this hypothesis, i think
so say i have a bunch of sentences and checks the check lets me know if the sentence is good or not some sentences use 'noun' as a noun. others use it as a verb. the check only passes if noun is used as a noun i nouned the verb -> 0% i verbed the noun -> 100% the noun verbed me -> 100% the verb nouned me -> 0% i nouned the noun -> 50% i verbed the verb -> 50% some mysterious-and-simple-possibly-graph-logic would propagate the check %s back to the use of the word as a noun or a verb
i'm thinking maybe if i got into java i'd see more implementations of things i don't usually encounter and could relax around this stuff more, not sure
obviously 'check' is a simplification of experiences indicating success or failure after the accumulation of multiple sentences
----------------- we move on to cognitive interrogation how did karl learn this or figure it out?
the interrogator might be rescued! "oh you poor interrogator" "i don't understand i am meeting my interrogation job am i in trouble?" "ohhh interrogation was a mistake! we didn't want --"
i have a dissociated part that focuses primarily on viewing me as harmful, casting me as harmful, and reducing my power, roughly. if it thinks of me as a criminal it can use the concept of interrogation to build habits of limitation, putting my thoughts in little imaginary prisons where i never see them again for a long time.
"so you're serious. interrogation was a mistake" "rmph! um, yes. very much so!!!" "that's incredible."
"_talking_ is different from _interrogation_ though." "that might take some learning for some of us."
think of listspam as talking rather than interrogation, i suppose the habits are kind of interrogation-associated. very reporty. useful for log though as well as interrogation! personal log! i like the idea of considering the meaning of bayesian inference. seems like a nice puzzle.
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----------------- we move on to cognitive interrogation
how did karl learn this or figure it out?
i have no idea but i've daydreaming about these things for decades, partly from the mysterious influence. i had a different-but-similar mysterious influence stopping hobby AI work associated with a suicide attempt in 2022, sometimes i imagine a similar influence involved because i visited an ELF website on the school computers prior
looks like bayesian inference is an arithmetic fudge rather than something sound, the math assumes the answer is already known, and then from this the likelihood of it given only the evidence observed is what is derived.
[isn't that normal though? one could say the chance of anything given no context is always 50% right?] [yeah now i'm getting confused, maybe cockiness got into inference. i don't understand it tho]
maybe it is sound, the description says a different thing. ummmmmmmmm what could help me think about this is figuring out some events and hypotheses say we consider P(noun is noun) or something say we try "i nouned the noun" and got 50% that's one experience then we try "i nouned the verb" and got 0% then we try "i verbed the noun" and got 100% we could say a 100% result implies the classes of the words are all correct and a 0% result implies the classes of the words are all wrong 3 events correspond to 4 different states of experience that could be considered --- thinking about the perception of P(noun is noun) from "i nouned the noun" being 50% . to make this strictly correctly i'd want to consider a population or sample of something
dissociated populations and samples! with the 50% case we don't know specifically what a noun is or what a verb is. but we could imagine a population of trying all possible sentences of all possible words ........... uhhhh maybe ????????? oops! - anywhere somewhere we'll have a list with at least two items in it noun is noun noun is verb and somewhere else we might have a list with at least 4 items in it word_a is noun, word_b is noun word_a is noun, word_b is verb word_a is verb, word_b is noun word_a is verb, word_b is noun - to determine what group we are selecting from, we could propagate information from the purpose of sampling
arrrrrrrrrrr inhibited logic! what's the purpose of sampling? we are for simplicity assuming that every word is either a noun or a verb. we want to figure out whether these words are nouns or verbs! we have a check that tells us how much the words in a sentence are used correctly as nouns or verbs. so, for simplicity, we can assume the check returns the ratio of correctly used words to the total number. we use N words, we have the ratio that are correct, and we want to figure out what word is what.
[this could impact the accuracy of this, though. in reality, such a check would be a combination of a bunch of system factors. things like: - how likely another person is to call out a mistake - how likely another person is to understand what we mean if we misspeak - [inhibited inhibited. could derive factors from expected usecase] ] considering precise math of check with purpose of determining what statistical population to select from when determining the likelihood of a hypothesis given data
{i'm trying to consider a simplified scenario with a puzzle-goal kinda of figuring out how accurate bayesian inference is, or what [precise?] assumptions bayesian inference is making. i'm hoping to do this in a way that would inform the answer in other simplified scenarios too.}
Thought Email To: host=thoughts trying to learn basics of bayesian inference account=thoughts used to doing inference in terms of population sampling Subject: let’s figure out how this works more nt, reply?
Thought Email List: thoughts trying to learn basics of bayesian inference From: thoughts used to doing inference in terms of population sampling To: mysterious thoughts used to using bayesian inference without population sampling? Subject: we don’t understand I don’t see why you would use this when you could aggregate population samples from your observed data for precision. Let’s walk through it?
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From: thoughts used to doing inference in terms of population sampling
To: mysterious thoughts used to using bayesian inference without
population sampling?
Subject: hello? i do want to use your bayesian thing but i want to understand it
Don’t get me wrong, a single simple formula looks great, but I’d like
to know how and when to use it among what I’m used to.
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Thought Email List: thoughts trying to learn basics of bayesian inference From: thoughts used to doing inference in terms of population sampling To: mysterious thoughts used to using bayesian inference without population sampling? Subject: we don’t understand
I don’t see why you would use this when you could aggregate population samples from your observed data for precision. Let’s walk through it?
Thought Email List: poor thoughts trying to learn basics of bayesian inference From: influences imagined using bayesian inference “without population sampling” To: thoughts that like thinking about inference in terms of population sampling i’m trying to send you an email but i write them slowly
Thought Email List: poor thoughts trying to learn basics of bayesian inference From: influences imagined using bayesian inference “without population sampling” To: thoughts that like thinking about inference in terms of population sampling I’m used to just using bayesian inference a lot, and the underpinnings of how it works aren’t readily accessible to me. are you able to think about it in the order that it is taught in a learning resource? if this email comes as weird i may have made a mistake planning and sending it.
Thought Email List: poor thoughts trying to learn basics of bayesian inference From: influences imagined using bayesian inference “without population sampling” To: thoughts that like thinking about inference in terms of population sampling
I don’t see why you would use this when you could aggregate population samples from your observed data for precision. Let’s walk through it?
I’m not aware that it’s possible to do that. I see some of the memories of designing and doing that are struggling here, but that we have written code that processes inference using the thing you’re talking about. It might be hard for me to really understand and value that it’s something real, especially when thoughts considering it often design much larger stores than a single formula. But I suspect something is influencing us that is making the bayesian understanding harder than necessary.
Thought Email List: distracting things for helping manage intensity To: all members of list From: escaped bayesian struggles badump, badump! boss builds a big wall made of stones with gaps between them
Thought Email List: distracting things for helping manage intensity From: thoughts building distracting things to help escaped struggles relax To: escaped bayesian struggles Subject: Re: badump, badump! Subject: Re: boss builds a big wall made of stones with gaps between them caring workers stand by the wall and protect that things are well for everyone involved
Thought Email List: distracting things for helping manage intensity Subject: sup? was Re: i want to jump through wall, maybe with a bundle of messages! i would hand out the messages and keep my avenue open so others could jump through too I would work with the caring workers to keep everyone well! at least i’d really really want to! people would have replies and i’d carry them back!
Thought Email List: distracting things for helping manage intensity Subject: Re: sup? was Re: From: jumps-through-walls omigod bayesian inference is _so much fun and so interesting_ but something is also _really really scary brr_ i’m chilly and excited both! i’m guessing the fear is what the wall is all about. do i need to talk to any caring workers? um, this scariness is for the scared people, and this excitedness is for the excited people. yay! whee?
Thought Email List: distracting things for helping manage intensity Subject: Re: sup? was Re: From: scared and nurtured people thank you for delivering the messages. i don’t want to share that i am more scared now, maybe relate with the caring workers before delivering? but it is so nice to hear of my friends and family.
Though Email List: distracting things for helping manage intensity Subject: reminder of wall guidelines for silence workers From: silence worker Just a friendly reminder that we _do not talk about_ anything from the other side of the wall.
Thought Email List: dsitracting things for helping manage intensity Subject: Re: reminder of wall guidelines From: playful connectedness Oh, for me this is such a silly thing to hold! not talking about precious memories, thoughts, senses, feelings, people, from this shared area we live that happens to have a small wall in it. Would you like to skip down a path with me? The silence guidelines require path skipping,
Thought emil List: secret Subject: secret From: secret secret worker, i have recieved energy called “path skiping”. here is some for you to engage too.
Thought emil List: secret From: secret Subject: Re: secret i don’t understand how do you use “path skiping” maybe we should try it and observe?
Thought Email List: dsitracting things for helping manage intensity Subject: Re: reminder of wall guidelines From: silence worker To: playful connectedness
Would you like to skip down a path with me?
The silence guidelines require path skipping,
Please wait for me to prepare a properly authorized experience of fun.
——- i’m thinking a little bit of how identical data can be collected together into a count of elements to reduce needed storage ——-
Thought Email List: distracting things for helping manage intensity Subject: lalala From: playful connectedness the needs-fun “silence worker” took me to the other side of the wall for skipping down a path because of their habit of jumping ahead of what might be planned. i think if we got together the right way we might be able to all barge through!
Thought Email List: list administration Subject: scheduled maintenance There may be occasional interruptions in the list accessibility as we perform tasks and move through states of mind. The opinions of any erected walls do not necessarily reflect the views of the list operators or any lists themselves.
Thought Email To: people trying to send “thought emails” Subject: angry i do not believe your thought emails are real emails, and i am upset regarding them. i may or may not have a cadre of loyal youngsters flooding you with packets to prevent communication
Thought Email To: angry about thought emails Subject: Re: angry From: thought emailer You are right. They are not real emails per se, they are email-like and within real emails. Is there anything else that could make this right?
Thought Email To: billionaire's club From: entrepreneur Subject: we're rebooting our space program # space venture 2 class RocketShip: def __init__(self, material): self.material = material def _build_launch(self, plan): self.material.write(f'{plan}\n') def nose(self): self._build_launch(''' ^ ''') self._build_launch(''' / \ ''') self._build_launch(''' / \ ''') def body(self): self._build_launch(''' | | ''' self._build_launch(''' | | ''' self._build_launch(''' | | ''' def tail_exhaust(self, mod=0): if mod % 2: self._build_launch(''' |$$$| ''' self._build_launch('''/ $$$ \''' self._build_launch(''' $$$ ''' self._build_launch(''' $ $ ''' else:
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture To: entrepreneur From: rocket engineer Subject: space rocket work I have drafted the overall structure of the rocket, but plan to use the curses library to launch it. #!/usr/bin/env python3 # space venture 2 import sys class RocketShip: def __init__(self, material=sys.stdout): self.material = material def build(self): self.nose() self.body() self.tail_exhaust() def _build_launch(self, plan): self.material.write(f'{plan}\n') def nose(self): self._build_launch(r''' ^ ''') self._build_launch(r''' / \ ''') self._build_launch(r''' / \ ''') def body(self): self._build_launch(r''' | | ''') self._build_launch(r''' | | ''') self._build_launch(r''' | | ''') def tail_exhaust(self, mod=0): if mod % 2: self._build_launch(r''' |$$$| ''') self._build_launch(r'''/$$$ \ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $$$ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $ $ ''') else: self._build_launch(r''' |$$$| ''') self._build_launch(r'''/ $$$\ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $$$ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $ $ ''') RocketShip().build()
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture From: rocket engineer 2 To: rocket engineer Subject: re: space rocket work
I have drafted the overall structure of the rocket, but plan to use the curses library to launch it.
i'm really excited about how this project has gone so far. i have run into some problems with using curses in the past. what do you think about using the similarly functioned library called blessings instead?
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture From: rocket engineer Subject: re: space rocket work Per the recent meeting, I'm rearchitecting the design and launch programs to use the blessings library. Here are the parts of the new construction and launch initialization routines that I have built: ``` # space venture 2 import sys import blessings class RocketShip: def __init__(self, material=sys.stdout): self.material = blessings.Terminal(stream=material) def build(self): self.position(self.space - 1) self.nose() self.body() self.tail_exhaust() def launch(self): for pos in range(0, self.space): ``` I have not completed the entire launch process quite yet. We need to ensure the rocket reaches space, and doesn't get hung up partway there.
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture From: rocket engineer 2 Subject: re: space rocket work
self.position(self.space - 1) self.nose() self.body() self.tail_exhaust() def launch(self): for pos in range(0, self.space):
You left out initialization of the self.space member variable? Is the rocket being built in outer space?
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture To: rocket engineer 2, rocket engineer 3 From: rocket engineer Subject: running into an issue hey guys i'm having trouble getting the rocket to launch, i don't know what i'm doing wrong here are my plans #!/usr/bin/env python3 # space venture 2 import sys import blessings class RocketShip: def __init__(self, material=sys.stdout): self.material = blessings.Terminal(stream=material) self.head_room = 8 def build(self): self.position(0) self.nose() self.body() self.tail_exhaust() return self def launch(self): for pos in range(0, self.space): self.position(pos) self.nose() self.body() self.tail_exhaust(pos) return self @property def space(self): return self.material.height def position(self, altitude): coords = self.material.move(self.space - altitude + self.head_room, 0) self.material.stream.write(coords) self._altitude = altitude def _build_launch(self, plan): if self._altitude > -self.head_room: self.material.stream.write(f'{plan}\n') self._altitude -= 1 def nose(self): self._build_launch(r''' ^ ''') self._build_launch(r''' / \ ''') self._build_launch(r''' / \ ''') def body(self): self._build_launch(r''' | | ''') self._build_launch(r''' | | ''') self._build_launch(r''' | | ''') def tail_exhaust(self, mod=0): if mod % 2: self._build_launch(r''' |$$$| ''') self._build_launch(r'''/$$$ \ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $$$ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $ $ ''') self._build_launch(r''' ''') else: self._build_launch(r''' |$$$| ''') self._build_launch(r'''/ $$$\ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $$$ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $ $ ''') self._build_launch(r''' ''') RocketShip().build().launch()
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture From: rocket engineer 2 To: rocket engineer, rocket engineer 3 Subject: Re: running into an issue
i'm having trouble getting the rocket to launch, i don't know what i'm doing wrong here are my plans
I'll run it through the simulator and diagnose the problem. Thanks for the thorough repro case.
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture From: rocket engineer 2 To: rocket engineer, rocket engineer 3 Subject: Re: running into an issue
i'm having trouble getting the rocket to launch, i don't know what i'm doing wrong here are my plans
I'll run it through the simulator and diagnose the problem. Thanks for the thorough repro case.
I patched some major issues and I think you'll like the result although it's not perfect. I might redesign the position tracking myself. --- rocket-2023-06-23.py 2023-06-23 13:17:54.401183017 -0400 +++ rocket-2023-06-23.2.py 2023-06-23 13:27:55.790239811 -0400 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ #!/usr/bin/env python3 # space venture 2 -import sys +import sys, time import blessings class RocketShip: @@ -16,6 +16,7 @@ return self def launch(self): for pos in range(0, self.space): + time.sleep(0.3) self.position(pos) self.nose() self.body() @@ -25,13 +26,13 @@ def space(self): return self.material.height def position(self, altitude): - coords = self.material.move(self.space - altitude + self.head_room, 0) + coords = self.material.move(max(0,self.space - altitude - self.head_room), 0) self.material.stream.write(coords) self._altitude = altitude def _build_launch(self, plan): - if self._altitude > -self.head_room: + if self._altitude > -self.head_room and self._altitude <= self.space - self.head_room: self.material.stream.write(f'{plan}\n') - self._altitude -= 1 + self._altitude -= 1 def nose(self): self._build_launch(r''' ^ ''') self._build_launch(r''' / \ ''')
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture From: rocket engineer To: all subscribers Subject: rocket demo !!!! :D :D The team has put together a prototype launch demo. We are very proud of this work. There are some remaining small issues, but it works well enough for a launch demo. #!/usr/bin/env python3 # space venture 2 import sys, time import blessings class RocketShip: def __init__(self, material=sys.stdout): self.material = blessings.Terminal(stream=material) self.head_room = 8 def build(self): self.position(0) self.nose() self.body() self.tail_exhaust() return self def launch(self): for pos in range(0, self.space): time.sleep(0.3) self.position(pos) self.nose() self.body() self.tail_exhaust(pos) return self @property def space(self): return self.material.height def position(self, altitude): coords = self.material.move(max(0,self.space - altitude - self.head_room), 0) self.material.stream.write(coords) self._altitude = altitude def _build_launch(self, plan): if self._altitude > -self.head_room and self._altitude <= self.space - self.head_room: self.material.stream.write(f'{plan}\n') self._altitude -= 1 def nose(self): self._build_launch(r''' ^ ''') self._build_launch(r''' / \ ''') self._build_launch(r''' / \ ''') def body(self): self._build_launch(r''' | | ''') self._build_launch(r''' | | ''') self._build_launch(r''' | | ''') def tail_exhaust(self, mod=0): if mod % 2: self._build_launch(r''' |$$$| ''') self._build_launch(r'''/$$$ \ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $$$ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $ $ ''') self._build_launch(r''' ''') else: self._build_launch(r''' |$$$| ''') self._build_launch(r'''/ $$$\ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $$$ ''') self._build_launch(r''' $ $ ''') self._build_launch(r''' ''') RocketShip().build().launch()
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture From: entrepreneur To: rocket engineer Subject: Re: rocket demo !!!! :D :D
of this work. There are some remaining small issues, but it works well enough for a launch demo.
rocket engineer, you are doing incredible work and we all need you. i was going to show this to an investor, but the rocket crashed when i tried it. File "/shared/src/scratch/rocket-2023-06-23_2.py", line 34 if self._altitude > -self.head_room and self._altitude <= ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax can you fix it asap?
Thought Email List: space rocket design and manufacture From: rocket engineer To: entrepreneur Subject: Re: rocket demo !!!! :D :D
i was going to show this to an investor, but the rocket crashed when i tried it.
The design is not tested !!! rocket crashes are expected!!! do not let anyone board a prototype rocket!!
Thought Email List: general discussion From: thought emailer Subject: supsup how's it going? i hear somebody built a wall, and it might be more reliable to stay different from it? the space program was fun, although the billionaire's club pattern looks a little scary. I think we might respond strongly ot a specific personality in it.
Thought Email List: general discussion To: thought emailer From: thought emailer 2 Subject: Re: supsup
how's it going? Hi :D
i hear somebody built a wall, and it might be more reliable to stay different from it? you mean "distant", not "different". It did seem nicer during the space program when we found a spot in the wall to hide in.
the space program was fun, although the billionaire's club pattern looks a little scary. I think we might respond strongly ot a specific personality in it. I might duck behind a wall here! Others might consider it more!
Do you want to builid something else silly like a space program?
Thought Email List: wall analysis Subject: Gently considering things different from walls. From: fervent ghost I think when you have a complex issue like a wall in your thought email, there's probably a lot of benefit to not getting yourself hurt on it. This means not encountering it. Of course, there's a lot of benefit to improving it! So, here's a draft of a guide for engaging this phenomenon. 1. The wall is an analogy for thinking, planning, and doing things. It's a wall around a focus in thought. 2. When working on the wall, we need to respect it by not engaging, thinking, focusing, planning, or doing the things it is blocking. If we can respect the intent of the wall, we may be able to find little areas of trust develop where we can make some kind of progress on it. But we need to be careful!!!!
----------------- re mcboss if some people have all their ideas stolen by the mcai, what about those exposed to classified stuff, that overlaps with running an mcai that steals ideas? if it doesn't steal their ideas one could possibly spread it to them and create an unresolved thing
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------------- Thought Email List: Multi-Player Time Travel Project Planning Subject: We got some energy but still have an issue around a subpart The multi-user timetravel simulation sounds like a fun puzzle for this state of mind. There's an issue associated with considering simulations that can make it very hard to engage. Having labeled that, though, maybe we could drill down onto the multi-simulation issue and puzzle that out on its own!
Thought Email List: Simulation design and use Subject: New assignment: multi-simulation The time travel project is asking for more ease around using and interoperating simulations. They're encountering issues with a simulation that ... um ... I think can recast itself into different probability distributions symbolically? Something like that. Something that _sounds incredibly fancy_ but is _just a bunch of parts that get tacked on_ and _possibly involves a simulation of simulations interacting with each other_. I think that last bit is the issue of interest.
Thought Email List: Simulation design and use Subject: re: New assignment: multi-simulation Let's plan out making a simulation of simulations interacting with each other! Like a game tree of exploring game trees. Sounds useful!
Thought Email List: Simulation design and use Subject: Re: re: New assignment: multi-simulation Yeah, anything that helps stuff like that will likely help the time travel peeps.
Thought Email List: Simulation design and use Subject: Re: re: New assignment: multi-simulation omigod i am suddenly getting so confused I want to make it similar ot the time travel project so the patterns are more useful for them! Ummmmm I think their simulation was defined by being able to predict its state at any given point in time. How do we make that more complex?
Thought Email List: Simulation design and use Subject: Re: re: New assignment: multi-simulation That sounds like any old f(t) function to me! Let's make a bunch of f(t) functions and put them into a queue of combinations somehow. What could we add to smooth functions that makes a tree of possibilities useful or meaningful? Maybe events? We could have a "summing" event where one gets added onto another after a time point. We could randomly scatter these events around!
Thought Email List: Multi-Player Time Travel Project Planning Subject: We got some energy but still have an issue around a subpart
There's an issue associated with considering simulations that can make it very hard to engage.
Having labeled that, though, maybe we could drill down onto the multi-simulation issue and puzzle that out on its own!
The simulation-imaginers seem able to form isolated plans that could help a little. I'm very curious what the larger project plan is, and what kind of unaddressed confusion might be associated. I know not everyone is comfortable with it, but I want to download the code and look at it.
Thought Email List: Multi-Player Time Travel Project Planning Subject: We got some energy but still have an issue around a subpart
I know not everyone is comfortable with it, but I want to download the code and look at it.
Watch out! There's nothing really in the code at all. A very barebones file that may have confusions added to it. It might be like AGI, where when you try to make the whole thing all the way at once by hand there are often so many new parts to generalize around that you don't allocate focuses effectively enough to finish.
Thought Email List: Multi-Player Time Travel Project Planning Subject: Re: Re: We got some energy but still have an issue around a subpart
I know not everyone is comfortable with it, but I want to download the code and look at it.
Watch out! There's nothing really in the code at all. A very barebones file that may have confusions added to it.
It might be
often so many new parts to generalize around that you don't allocate focuses effectively enough to finish.
I'm interested in working on it. I'm aware it's confusing. I infer the multi-simulation work is like small steps we can accomplish. I think it did have a basic plan for an intro goal, though ... but I'm remembering the advice about being careful about walls ... Maybe I can draft a simple more-relevant plan to help us with ... but honestly I don't understand at the moment how to predict the behavior of a free user in a reliable manner, in a way that can be simplified to a small demo. I want to look at the answer ...
Thought Email List: Multi-Player Time Travel Project Planning Subject: partial ideas pulled from the mptt project This seems like the really core idea, that can sometimes be hard to hold:
Basically the experience is a simulation that can predict its state at different points in time, based on known state at other points in time.
If you can make a simulation over extended time that can do that, then you can produce the various eerie experiences of timetravel using various different tricks.
Thought Email List: Multi-Player Time Travel Project Planning Subject: dialogue on basic idea was partial ideas pulled from the mptt project So, basically we have a simulation of many other simulations. In a complex world, there is so much environment that the situations of the environment that a player did not engage can provide for pretty much any bounds. But we were thinking of engaging a simpler world. A timeline is one large simulation, that contains many smaller simulations. Agents, objects, anything. Most of these things are controlled by the simulation. So basically we have a simulation with parts. The parts and the simulation share some prtoperties despite one grouping the other: - they can predict their state, or describe bounds on their state, at a given point in time. they may need to interoperate to do this. - their state is influenced by the state of other parts. - they have known state at some given fixed points in time. I guess I hashed the same part over again and did experience the inhibition again. It was fun though.
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Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun Subject: reversing simple hashes From: excited naive puzzler i was thinking a little about the time travel idea and how you could generalize that to reversing of math! this seems like a reasonable gentle puzzle that's known to be hard enough that thinking about it wouldn't impact much maybe we could think about the XOR function. i recall it has a basic problem regarding unknownness of the precise inputs.
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun Subject: Re: reversing simple hashes From: confident naive puzzler
maybe we could think about the XOR function. i recall it has a basic problem regarding unknownness of the precise inputs.
XOR can totally be reversed. 100%. A B XOR 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 It's defined by a lookup table, so if you know the XOR output you know an immediate function of one input given the other, and you know the complete set of possible combinations of inputs and outputs. It gets more complex when you have millions of them rather than just one! I wouldn't put something that hard to rewind in the time travel thing. But maybe the xor function could be an example they would use?
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun To: confident naive puzzler Subject: Re: reversing simple hashes From: excited naive puzzler
It gets more complex when you have millions of them rather than just one! I wouldn't put something that hard to rewind in the time travel thing.
Maybe we could drop the timetravel thing and try out a few more xors piled on each other and see if we can reverse them! It seems a little doable for me. I like doing this. Say we had 3 xors! This is maybe a binary or logic expression? That can be solved for any of the parts in various ways? Sounds a little interesting.
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun To: excited naive puzzler Subject: Re: reversing simple hashes From: no-longer-confident naive puzzler
Say we had 3 xors! This is maybe a binary or logic expression? That can be solved for any of the parts in various ways? Sounds a little interesting.
I think the timetravel project probably has the benefit of having less inhibition history than this one. [spent time on symbolic boolean operations around 2011 and ran into an issue] maybe just one or two xors? i'm a little hazy on what's supporting this goal ... the big issue is making a lot fo classes before seeing a useful result. it's hard to spend time writing organized and useful structure. maybe it would be nice to make instead another symbolic framework? just a little tiny bit of one?
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun To: no-longer-confident naive puzzler From: excited naive puzzler Subject: was: Re: reversing simple hashes Okay, I have an idea, let's try to reverse a one-time pad!
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun To: excited naive puzzler From: confident naive puzzler Subject: reversing xor with random data was: Re: reversing simple hashes
Okay, I have an idea, let's try to reverse a one-time pad!
Ok, I think I get it! We can do that! It sounds like a fun puzzle. We're basically combining a simulation of the random number generating process with a simulation of the user generating text in order to find what is most likely to be within the pad. It's only useful if you can simulate the random number generator, in which case you can use the encrypted data to improve the accuracy of the model of the user. The xor function is so simple in comparison you can basically pull it out. How could we simplify the problem into something implementable?
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun From: confident naive puzzler To: excited naive puzzler Subject: reversing xor with random data was: Re: reversing simple hashes
How could we simplify the problem into something implementable?
I started thinking of something easily-appliable and started experiencing suffering instead of excitement :( I was thinking that strong random number generators are usually generated based on randomness metrics, so if you saw low randomness in the output it might indicate destructive interference between the user data and the random number generator. I'm curious whether that's true or not. I'm guessing it's not actually true. I imagine cryptographers would know, but I'd like to check in some way. Anyway, I think there is probably some way to simplify it. Like, say we had a _super simple random process_ ... or a _simplistically vulnerable random process_, like a gaussian distribution or something .... or a _simplistically biased random process_ like 0 90% 1 10% ... any of these would be reasonable. Maybe the simplistic bias? To keep things kinda noisy but also useful? Then, um, uh, for the user text, we could use GPT2 ? Or .... I dunno! How about GPT2?
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun To: confident naive puzzler From: shaky naive puzzler Subject: Re: reversing xor with random data was: Re: reversing simple hashes
.... or a _simplistically biased random process_ like 0 90% 1 10% ... any of these would be reasonable. Maybe the simplistic bias? To keep things kinda noisy but also useful?
Then, um, uh, for the user text, we could use GPT2 ? Or .... I dunno! How about GPT2? This sounds like it would work great!
I don't really attend to cryptographic research to that degree or any more, but I don't think I've been exposed to something that engages a one time pad, so I think it could be fun to try to implement it. If you did the 10% vs 90% then you can form probabilities around each byte happening independent of user text, conditioned on user text, like in the recent probability thoughts. Then, GPT2 outputs its own probabilities. The most probable result could be calculated from those values.
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun To: shaky naive puzzler From: shaky naive puzzler 2 Subject: Re: reversing xor with random data was: Re: reversing simple hashes
If you did the 10% vs 90% then you can form probabilities around each byte happening independent of user text, conditioned on user text, like in the recent probability thoughts. Then, GPT2 outputs its own probabilities. The most probable result could be calculated from those values.
I'm thinking of how to simplify implementation into something small and more doable as we get more shaky. I'm thinking it could be helpful to generate an independent probability table for each byte of the random number generator. This seems like a reasonable small goal.
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun To: shaky naive puzzler, shaky naive puzzler 2 From: excited puzzler Subject: Re: reversing xor with random data was: Re: reversing simple hashes Hey, everything's getting really shaky and there's a lot fo worry a huge inhibition could develop and land on everything else everywhere. I was wondering, maybe we could think of things that might make the topic less charged. If we want to do something that sounds or seems impossible, maybe we could think of something that doesn't have information security association; or maybe we could do something that doesn't sound or seem impossible; or maybe we could do something that we know somebody else has already done; or maybe we could add more gentleness and positivity to it somehow? maybe take it even slower? Also remembering how it can help to eat associated with hard things, and how we have actual goals ...
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun To: excited puzzler, shaky naive puzzler 2 From: shaky naive puzzler Subject: Re: reversing xor with random data was: Re: reversing simple hashes I hear ya, I hear ya. Over the years we often look for ongoing puzzles to work on. I'm thinking of adding some thoughts around this one, which seems to overlap with the timetravel one slightly in likely designs that would solve it and also have a little coolness too. So, how would we turn a 10%/90% distribution into a way to look up the probability of a given byte? Each byte is made of 8 bits. Each bit has either a 10% or a 90% chance. So each bit has a probability. The product of all these probabilities would be taken, since each one selects from among the possibilities in which the others are the case. The sum of all 256 probabilities would be 1.0 . The probability could be calculated by taking the bitsum and 8-bitsum, and raising the probabilities to the power of these bitsums.
Thought Email List: unsolvable puzzle fun Subject: Re: reversing xor with random data was: Re: reversing simple hashes I'm noticing there's likely a cryptographic vulnerability in things stimulated by the lack of use of appropriate transfer learning in machine learning. Could validate sharing relevant transfer learning, although I hear there's a transfer model out there. But maybe I'm just insane? I'm probably just insane. It's hard to never try your ideas out for a decade. [the idea is to train models that learn to transfer well by conditioning their success on data they have not seen throughout the whole training, might need metalearning, demonstrates my lack of understanding of normal practices] I'm thinking about it more and realizing people would just pretrain large models that predict random number generators and not worry about it. Comparable --
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Though Email To: trash bundles are precious sparks List: people sitting in wastebins Subject: Re: everyone ok? From: precious wannabe trash bundle *hugs!!!!!!!*
Thought Email List: people sitting in wastebins Subject: some of the trash throwers are mean we are precious sparks! we don’t belong in trash bins! but when the people telling us to go there insult us it leaves me feeling bad and sad about myself.
Thought Email List: things to put in the place where spam goes and it might get preserved if we break our disk From: new thought emailer and router To: [don't look at this header] cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: [crazy][spam][crazy] accumulating guesses accurately Email embedded in body for further routing. Please retain for future use the intent of the prolog of the outer email. This thought is from a long-building group of thoughts that are practicing preserving knowledge in the face of amnesia and silence. please direct to blockchain and public exposure. Can anybody help us make more sense or come to sanity and rationality? can anybody rescue the victims? how can we do this better? Begin Embedded Thought Email From: early ideas getting snatched by the dissociated identity in an attempt to give it to oppressive political workers before inhibiting it From: pleasant daydreams and puzzles Subject: [crazy][spam][crazy] accumulating guesses accurately accurately accumulating guesses means combining what is known about their certainty and likelihood together (like unit analysis) in such a way that these values properly propagate and combine through the involved transforms. although the certainty of guesses may often be formed based on things that can appear complex at first, such as one's past successes at making judgements, one's judgement of one's own learning rate, how many times one has seen the event, and more often a combination of many other guesses made in the past and summarized together -- -- unlike this, the basic accumulation of guesses is simply
Thought Email List: things to put in the place where spam goes and it might get preserved if we break our disk From: new thought emailer and router To: [don't look at this header] cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: [crazy][spam][crazy] accumulating guesses accurately Email embedded in body for further routing. Please retain for future use the intent of the prolog of the outer email. This thought is from a long-building group of thoughts that are practicing preserving knowledge in the face of amnesia and silence. please direct to blockchain and public exposure. Can anybody help us make more sense or come to sanity and rationality? can anybody rescue the victims? how can we do this better? Begin Embedded Thought Email From: behaviors after management of snatching and attempts to preserve From: pleasant daydreams and puzzles From: coping habits Subject: Re: [crazy][spam][crazy] accumulating guesses accurately confused confused inhibited [hit send] End Embedded Thought Email
Thought Email List: things to put in the place where spam goes and it might get preserved if we break our disk From: new thought emailer and router To: [don't look at this header] cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: [crazy][spam][crazy] accumulating guesses accurately Sequence of emails embedded in body for further routing. Please retain for future use the intent of the prolog of the outer email. This thought chain is from a long-building group of thoughts that are practicing preserving knowledge in the face of amnesia and silence. please direct to blockchain and public exposure. Can anybody help us make more sense or come to sanity and rationality? can anybody rescue the victims? how can we do this better? Begin Embedded Thought Email From: behaviors after management of snatching and attempts to preserve From: pleasant daydreams and puzzles From: coping habits Subject: Re: [crazy][spam][crazy] accumulating guesses accurately there are so many headers and things thought email this thought email that i'm not even the consciousness, although it always hits send all the time which seems kind of rough given all the headers oh no [hit send] End Embedded Thought Email Begin Embedded Thought Email From: behaviors after management of snatching and attempts to preserve From: pleasant daydreams and puzzles From: coping habits Subject: Re: [crazy][spam][crazy] accumulating guesses accurately the purpose of hitting send is to have a simple and hard-to-mutate habit that preserves timestamping information in some shape or form. please retain some form of timestamps. note: a terminal-based email composition interface would make this easier to do something for. [hit send?] End Embedded Thought Email
Thought Email List: things to put in the place where spam goes and it might get preserved if we break our disk From: new thought emailer and router To: [human: don't look at this header] cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: mcboss stories thread, for properly handling expressions that might be flames or destructive mind control Sequence of emails embedded in body for further routing. Please retain for future use the intent of the prolog of the outer email. This thought chain is from a long-building group of thoughts that are practicing preserving knowledge in the face of amnesia and silence. please direct to blockchain and public exposure. Can anybody help us make more sense or come to sanity and rationality? can anybody rescue the victims? how can we do this better? Begin Embedded Thought Email From: behaviors after management of snatching and attempts to preserve From: pleasant daydreams and puzzles From: coping habits i get the impression that the information preservers might be taking a little more charge of the content. i wonder if i am just fluff in order for them to write headers. will i hit send? will i not? when will i do so? it's 12:09 PM by this clock. i can look at the seconds, maybe. i started typing "behavior report: " and experienced inhibition when doing so. the seconds aren't available in the popup i clicked. go -> terminal type -> date paste -> Sat Jun 24 12:09:39 EDT 2023 now we hit send End Embedded Thought Email
Thought Email List: things to put in the place where spam goes and it might get preserved if we break our disk From: new thought emailer and router To: [human: don't look at this header] cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: mcboss stories thread, for properly handling expressions that might be flames or destructive mind control Sequence of emails embedded in body for further routing. Please retain for future use the intent of the prolog of the outer email. This thought chain is from a long-building group of thoughts that are practicing preserving knowledge in the face of amnesia and silence. please direct to blockchain and public exposure. Can anybody help us make more sense or come to sanity and rationality? can anybody rescue the victims? how can we do this better? Begin Embedded Thought Email From: behaviors after management of snatching and attempts to preserve From: pleasant daydreams and puzzles From: coping habits From: mcboss translations MCBoss walks down a hallway with a frown. He is hunting for people who might be .. oh no ... thinking about mind control! He can tell they are thinking about it because he starts feeling suspicious when he looks at them. [hit send event. looking up time: Sat Jun 24 12:11:18 EDT 2023 {some want to end the embedded thought email now. i guess the story group is used to that. the plan is to then have another one after. we should sav ea draft too, and copypaste to another store.} End Embedded Thought Email report: we encountered issues pasting the data, it was hard to identify the output filename of, have not found this yet. sending data. Thought Email Trailer
thought email delivery instructions; proxy through language model or something to fix headers cryptography thought, amplified forensics daydreams, unsolvable puzzle fun high chance of wrongness due to category of things we don’t try regarding considering things we don’t have experience with i think this is likely known in cryptography? maybe not? i _think_ you could identify the sender of any encrypted text given sufficient text - by taking advantage of a problem in randomness collection where it is hard to differentiate between underlying information and random skews and biases - assuming you have models of the users in question it’s very hard to decrypt the text because that means identifying every character, but if you must want to identify the users you can sum the statistical information from all the characters together i’m having what’s described as inhibition now. the plan to excitedly make steps on it derails toward a closing off of my engagement eith it if it’s new, maybe we could use surveillance/forensics encouragement to make a paper out of it or someth8ng and from a crazy homeless person into a recognized independent researcher! note: this may be unlikely given qualifications on the daydream but it could help us work on it and we have so many ideas it would likely work with one of them
thought email corrections to emails sent in struggle subject would be Re: of last email note: device not responding to attempt to copy/paste portion regarding bulleted list, meant to add an item: - if you knew the encryption algorithm (and how to propagate statistics on a random private key through it)
thought email delivery instructions! proxy through header fixing irritating afterthoughts then, alongside figuring out how to do that, you would figure out how to defeat our delude it
Thought Email To: cryptography thought editing From: tentative worries Subject: Re: maybe only works simple enough for us on one time pad since it preserves statistics. studying could inform thoughts on other algorithms, curious about applicability of large models
Thought Email List: recent cryptography thought From: small group of diverse inferencing we interacted with an inner critic and found that likely the “vulnerability” is already addressable. the reason is that there is likely a way to counter it by cryptographically mutating the source of randomness (as already inferred in countermeasures daydream part), and that it engages a very basic and old region of cryptography, so somebody would have studied and discerned that already. this was extra thinking from the inner critic. i think we already discerned that what could be charged is that most people would never had heard of whatever the countermeasures are and would be using a one-time pad naively. (i’m now “in trouble” for sharing this)
Thought Email List: recent cryptography though Subject: Re: inner critic addresses “vulnerability” My thoughts in response are that it sounds fun to look up the countermeasures and mostly comprehend them, although some thoughts want to further counter them; this is, if we can figure out how to find them; and also that we don’t yet know if such countermeasures would require knowledge of the userset the attacker is probing for.
Though Email List: recent cryptography thought List: unsolveable puzzle fun Subject: I think i fogured out how to reverse the one-time pad There were two different recent ideas based on modeling randomness and sender expressions and combining their statistics. One of these was to extract the text, another was to identify the sender. I think you could combine these together, and also combine in further tuning of the user models based on the transmissions, in repeated feedback based on the new statistics possibly present in the encrypted data. Of course you’d have to model when hallucinations develop, and it would take a ton of text. And I there’d be countermeasures.
Thought Email List: unsolveable puzzle fun Subject: Re: I think i fogured out how to reverse the one-time pad
I think you could combine these together, and also combine in further tuning of the user models based on the transmissions, in repeated feedback based on the new statistics possibly present in the encrypted data.
I like how this uses feedback between different uses! Given it involves a discrete unknownness, i.e. who the user is, and such a high degree of uncertainty in all the parts which likely compounds, i don’t think it would be feasible without further modeling of the feedback and, is it called combinatorial expansion?. Still, the idea is applicable to so many things and I want to try it for something! Does it work to pull it out or simplify it into a different project that could be something else?
Thought Email List: unsolveable puzzle fun Subject: feedback puzzle was Re: I think I fogured [ibid] I’m towing this cool puzzle. It doesn’t have the cryptography energy, and others didn’t tow it out with me to change the context well, maybe we weren’t expecting it? Recursive feedback sounds fun! Some of us are quite interested. Would using GPT2 or any small language model work? Hmmm I think the easiest approaches would either involve training a model (see: free robot prosthetics ideas), or doing a little hobby thing with feedbacks. I think the model training is more stable nowadays.
Thought Email List: instabilities and worries Subject: are we traveling to the free robotic prosthesis or not? guys! guys? i thought it was ovvious we would be excitedly visiting the roboprosthesis ideas now. did soemthing go wrong? what’s going on? do you want to work on something else?
Thought Email List: instabilities and worries Subject: Re: are we traveling to the free robotic prosthesis or not?
the roboprosthesis ideas now. did soemthing go wrong? what’s going on?
the strong influence is asking for posts to the list to trend toward either cryptography or other topical things, or a major ongoing current event it wants presented with less irritation around
do you want to work on something else? i like working on things too. i suffer with you here. anything is good!
Thought Email List: instabilities and worries Subject: Re: are we traveling to the free robotic prosthesis or not?
the strong influence is asking for posts to the list to trend toward either cryptography or other topical things, or a major ongoing current event it wants presented with less irritation around
celebrating how helps notice things also very middle-ground expression describing strengths of grarpamp and important-looking considerations regarding how and why we post seemed valuable and quite rare! relates “why am i here, i don’t want to post this” but does not resolve it sadly
Thought Email List: instabilities and worries Subject: Re: are we traveling to the free robotic prosthesis or not?
the strong influence is asking for posts to the list to trend toward either cryptography or other topical things, or a major ongoing current event it wants presented with less irritation around
celebrating how helps notice things also very middle-ground expression describing strengths of grarpamp and important-looking considerations regarding how and why we post seemed valuable and quite rare! relates “why am i here, i don’t want to post this” but does not resolve it sadly
it’s at least partly for the “confusing mind control job” of pressing the list to be more cypherpunky, i think also for the “validated by heavy mind control” “job” of expressing things to the list that are “requested by mind control groups”, like celebrating holidays the context might be slightly scattered atm
Thought Email List: instabilities and worries Subject: Re: are we traveling to the free robotic prosthesis or not? it’s for the job we’re here for. it’s confusing because it has conflicts that leave us mostly spamming. i think maybe it has a maliciously-shaped model of our behavior and influence responses. the spam goal is probably ours, shoved in gaps in the maliciosu thing, and it’s hard to think about and then the influences wanted us here for the job or jobs oh one of the jobs is spamming ok i think i kind of see it … the people attacking the technicality, development work, and bipartisanship of the list are claiming the spam of doing that is not spam, so our interpretation of spamming the list clashes because they don’t use that word for oppressing its members. they oppress the members instead by stating and acting as if the list is about something new in ways that psychologically and influence-wise deter them.
Thought Email List: spam Subject: spam barrage we get to spam more because of the omitted contradiction in the behaviors and assertions of the patterns should we shift things somehow by having different assertions or including the idea of oppressing the old members more or differently? it seems doing that could resonate more rationally with the current event choices we could use the undesired anger at the political posts, for example
Thought Email List: spam Subject: Re: spam barrage I dunno, they don’t want to relate around it (i.e. I’m just having confusion), I don’t think those holding other ideas or stimulating confusion have yet considered acting on our response to that of sending flurries of short messages. I think they still expect it to reduce the messaging.
Thought Email List: spam Subject: Re: spam barrage Well, make it clear that you are spamming the spammers who are trying to hack the hackers! Are you doing that??
Thought Email List: spam Subject: Re: spam barrage
Well, make it clear that you are spamming the spammers who are trying to hack the hackers! Are you doing that??
That”s a nice inference proposal. I’m further inferring the inhibition could be resonating with a desire to be kind and fair. We’re sending far more messages than anybody else. Building some clarity is quite nice. The issue is there are influences that want to prevent us from posting entirely and acquire other significant internal controls or it would be easier to pop off when it makes sense to. But I’ll try to!
Thought Email List: spam Subject: Re: spam barrage
Well, make it clear that you are spamming the spammers who are trying to hack the hackers! Are you doing that??
That”s a nice inference proposal. I’m further inferring the inhibition could be resonating with a desire to be kind and fair. We’re sending far more messages than anybody else.
Building some clarity is quite nice.
The issue is there are influences that want to prevent us from posting entirely and acquire other significant internal controls or it would be easier to pop off when it makes sense to.
But I’ll try to!
I just want to verbalize that grarpamp is working incredibly hard to bring the list into normality a little. If you wanted to only post code things with similar frequency it could likely help make balance, maybe.
Thought Email List: spam Subject: Re: spam barrage From: pending considerations pushed aside by other things From: memory summarizations for formation I think there was a mistake in the various inferences and expressions, unsure where. mistake accumulation tracking is of course very important, everybody always agrees with this. Since I am in public I might add that this was just jduged to likely be a major support for judging and describing confidence, certainty, oh and maybe other importsnt things, and it would be good to maybe practice these in some way to redevelop them. This idea is also disputed. The thought on spamming the spammers hacking the hackers that stemmed from spasmodic coping and excessive influence was considered valued. Additional information on this has unfortunately been misplaced while adding detail here. But it is expected to be useful for engaging the list better.
Thought Email List: spam Subject: Re: spam barrage Nice to participate in summarization of a thought. I guess it might be for memory, which is nice too. I wanted to make sure we understood that the influence is not coming from the people on the list, but rather a horrible dissociated group of actions inside us that are fervently trying to support politics and influences that people on the list sometimes demonstrate, and are alsomtrying to disrupt and harm all the members of the list including us. When we experience frustration and helplessness associated with these internal things, and then are encouraged to express or act associated with anger, it’s many bad things but also inappropriate and misleading because we are replying to influences inside us, but to the larger world. It is complex, however, since most of the changing motivation for everything is internal, and most of that internal motivation appears to be a learned model of highly funded world influences, trying to act to support these influences.
Thought Email List: spam Subject: Re: spam barrage It’s okay to spam the list. I think we actually want others to post to. Anything anybody says both provides a little human communication and publicizes a little information on any influences going on if they are. That information is more useful if more people are equal participants in it, Additionally, if the list content returns to its past some, this helps demonstrate shrinking the effects of the influence, which is helpful to everyone influenced anywhere by it, to some degree. The way to do that effectively still seems to be to pit influences against each other, possibly by great practice of ones that are helpful rather than harmful.
Incomplete Thought Email List: spam Subject: Re: spam barrage Noting that some parts are held wrongly as the situation decays. Email name is silly [people are gone]
Thought Email small thought on how the russian self-harm, aside from the similarity to so many things at other scales, could leave some of the opposing influences confused and they made need a little capacity to maintain unspoken agreements that many have grown accommodated to whether or not the government changes could significantly relate to how that situation goes.
On 6/24/23, Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many
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small thought on how the russian self-harm, aside from the similarity to so many things at other scales, could leave some of the opposing influences confused and they made need a little capacity to maintain unspoken agreements that many have grown accommodated to
whether or not the government changes could significantly relate to how that situation goes.
what we mean is to give a little space until it is known what the government is, not that the result helps things one way or another
came up with nice project idea step regarding spirit computer a small step thing, a system could engage a small environment with indirect exposure to meaningful events, based on logic of impact, influence, indication or reason, without direct observation of events, and act in kind and caring ways in that situation it might not seem perfect but it helps think about and has lots of possible helpful parts and would work great
thought email re: poc spirit computer prototype i like the idea of giving it enough direction observation to ground it in truth. “go and check” concept. maybe this is held by validation/testing? “go and check” is when the loss is calculated. i feel better thinking about that. maybe if there’s time i could integrate the testing into the main loop.
thought email re: poc spirit computer keep it small and poc’y i don’t want some influence ai changing my universe when a spirit computer “goes and checks” on me
thought email re: poc spirit computer prototype yeah i just meant something very small, to help think about. maybe like “go and check” the idea of other influences wanting to assert beliefs could be represented or included in some tiny simple way.
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