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Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0

18 Sep 2020 18 Sep '20

10 p.m.

A while back jim bell claimed to first notice that a good chunk of the archive from the 1990s was missing. The topic was discussed and nothing come it. jim bell spouted his usual technocratic garbage about how 'somebody' must have a copy of the archive on floppy disks, bla bla but of course none of the old subscribers (who are still subscribed like john young, hettinga, james donald, mirimir, etc) ever produced a backup. They never commented on the reasons why parts of the archive are missing. After a while jim bell stopped talking about the issue. I'd say he stopped talking about it all of a sudden. So, have 'you guys' who are US subjects got some friendly notice from your friendly nazi government or what? Or should I take this as an example of how amazin bell's beloved technofascist technology is, except that 'the technology' and the master cypherpunks who use it are so useless that they can't even keep a working backup of their own mailing list? Well, couple bell's suddden dropping of the subject with all the governmetn propaganda he constantly vomits and you get an entertaining picture....

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jim bell

18 Sep 18 Sep

11:03 p.m.

On Friday, September 18, 2020, 02:47:56 PM PDT, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > A while back jim bell claimed to first notice that a good chunk of the archive from the 1990s was missing. The topic was discussed and nothing come it. Agreed, nothing became of it. I felt that I had alerted the current users of Cypherpunks. >jim bell spouted his usual technocratic garbage about how 'somebody' must have a copy of the archive on floppy disks, bla bla but of course none of the old subscribers (who are still subscribed like john young, hettinga, james donald, mirimir, etc) ever produced a backup. They never commented on the reasons why parts of the archive are missing. No, I don't recall saying anything about "floppy disks". It's obvious that by 1995, every CP subscriber would have been running on hard disks, probably of a capacity of a few hundred megabytes. The "floppy disk' thing is just your own nonsense. By today, such hard disks would presumably have been retired 2-3 times. But I figure that many people would put the retired disk into a closet, a basement, or an attic, so there's nothing unreasonable about thinking that the data is still available, if somebody has the motivation to search for it. > After a while jim bell stopped talking about the issue. I'd say he stopped talking about it all of a sudden. Was there anything more to say? I don't think it was "all of a sudden". More nonsense by you. Jim Bell

Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0

11:43 p.m.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:03:28 +0000 (UTC) jim bell wrote:

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No, I don't recall saying anything about "floppy disks". It's obvious that by 1995, every CP subscriber would have been running on hard disks, probably of a capacity of a few hundred megabytes. The "floppy disk' thing is just your own nonsense.

In your own words, archived here : https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-November/077316.html "There were clearly hundreds of people who subscribed to the CP email list, even as early as mid 1995. Each of them regularly received copies of posted CP emails, which were presumably reliably stored onto their computers' hard drives, possibly floppy disks, and eventually possibly backup tapes." As you can see, the floppy disk thing comes from you. Anyway, floppy disks or not, I think it's somewhat odd that no one provided a backup so far, nor any more information on how the original archive was tampered with.

coderman

19 Sep 19 Sep

12:29 a.m.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, September 18, 2020 11:03 PM, jim bell wrote: ...

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By today, such hard disks would presumably have been retired 2-3 times. But I figure that many people would put the retired disk into a closet, a basement, or an attic, so there's nothing unreasonable about thinking that the data is still available, if somebody has the motivation to search for it.

this is the crux; i am hopeful a more complete copy will yet turn up... we know they exist. but who has them? :) best regards,

jim bell

12:53 a.m.

Well, the original messages might have seen a floppy disk, but I would be surprised if a recovered archive will include such messages. On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM, coderman wrote: ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, September 18, 2020 11:03 PM, jim bell wrote: ... By today, such hard disks would presumably have been retired 2-3 times. But I figure that many people would put the retired disk into a closet, a basement, or an attic, so there's nothing unreasonable about thinking that the data is still available, if somebody has the motivation to search for it. this is the crux; i am hopeful a more complete copy will yet turn up... we know they exist. but who has them? :) best regards,

grarpamp

3:24 a.m.

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this is the crux; i am hopeful a more complete copy will yet turn up... we know they exist. but who has them? :)

There is at least one more interesting copy already out there. And the copy you are looking for will be interesting by way of comparison with that, aye even in it's own right. Plausible theories abound, certain parties suspected. And the guilty, the uncooperatives, authoritatives, silents, and sheep... they know who they are, and earn high question about them. All over a silly essay? Some GovCorp conflict? Old / mere words? Lol. Let such question not remain to their grave, lest such question be spite upon their stone. And were embarassing truth to be revealed by other parties before then, a certain possiblity indeed, great shall be the living damnation allotted to the questioned.

Peter Fairbrother

7:11 p.m.

On 19/09/2020 00:03, jim bell wrote:

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On Friday, September 18, 2020, 02:47:56 PM PDT, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

> A while back jim bell claimed to first notice that a good chunk of the archive from the 1990s was missing. The topic was discussed and nothing come it.

Agreed, nothing became of it. I felt that I had alerted the current users of Cypherpunks.

I may have some early list posts, do you know what is missing? Peter Fairbrother

grarpamp

20 Sep 20 Sep

1:56 a.m.

On 9/19/20, Peter Fairbrother wrote:

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I may have some early list posts, do you know what is missing?

Rather than wasting time with individual messages, trying to figure which and posting them here, etc... Just tar up everything you have from cypherpunks, including at minimum inclusive of at least all of 1995, and post it somewhere. People will pick it up and do the sorting work from there as usual. Apply these two to the tarball... https://github.com/facebook/zstd https://github.com/FiloSottile/age Here are a couple self hosting options... https://ipfs.io/ https://onionshare.org/

Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0

2:31 a.m.

On 9/19/20, Peter Fairbrother wrote:

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I may have some early list posts, do you know what is missing?

everything from february 13 1995 to july 11 1995 for instance. See if you have anything in that span.

Cari Machet

19 Sep 19 Sep

4:07 a.m.

Shut the fuck up > rude On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 16:47, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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A while back jim bell claimed to first notice that a good chunk of the archive from the 1990s was missing. The topic was discussed and nothing come it.

jim bell spouted his usual technocratic garbage about how 'somebody' must have a copy of the archive on floppy disks, bla bla but of course none of the old subscribers (who are still subscribed like john young, hettinga, james donald, mirimir, etc) ever produced a backup. They never commented on the reasons why parts of the archive are missing.

After a while jim bell stopped talking about the issue. I'd say he stopped talking about it all of a sudden.

So, have 'you guys' who are US subjects got some friendly notice from your friendly nazi government or what?

Or should I take this as an example of how amazin bell's beloved technofascist technology is, except that 'the technology' and the master cypherpunks who use it are so useless that they can't even keep a working backup of their own mailing list?

Well, couple bell's suddden dropping of the subject with all the governmetn propaganda he constantly vomits and you get an entertaining picture....

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