On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 07:40:30PM -0300, Punk wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2019 10:17:48 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:

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South China Morning Post https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3001685/huawei-confirms-it-has-bu...

That 'tension' IS occurring right now.

BBC: Huawei's use of Android restricted by Google https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48330310

haha that's so ridiculous - the 'commie' chinese govt has been using google-NSA crapware since day zero, so chinese 'commies' are fuckign retards. And now, to make the self parody even more ridiculous, the google jews are 'not allowing' the chinese govt to use their crapware? In other words, google-pentagon-jehova is now doing a favor to the chinese by 'punishig' them.

Self parody of a high order indeed.

In reality the chinese govt is too stupid and corrupt to not be controlled by the americunts so they will stick to google-NSA.

So far, it seems so. Given Zi's "eff you" social credit big brother of Da Hood: China gets an app for Xi Jinping’s ‘inspirational quotes’ https://www.deccanchronicle.com/world/asia/210219/china-gets-an-app-for-xi-j... and lack of social credit (failure to read JinPing's quotes for your daily head fluck) getting you banned from public transport and whatever else they decide to rumble you with, the Chinese system looks like it's in a moral collapse the likes of which will go down in history as "holy mother of everything Batman, that was a bad idea already". Not that the USA is not similarly in a systemic moral, financial and societal collapse. Yahweh, God of War and Cahos, reaping his chaotic warring re-war-d for dishing up a few thousand years of exponential fiat enslavement in fávór de la Ju탅

ps: how long does it take to write an OS from scratch? Couple of months for one person?

On the basis of prior art and existing code chunks, yes. What is in our own interest? "Whom do you serve?" Those authorities you go to (for any help or problem resolution), you give power to. Fundamentally, we need to go to one another - our "fellow brothers and sisters" within our community, to create a better future, rather than an endless run back to the banks for handouts, loans and any other freebie. We live in the greatest materialistic time currently known to man - machinery, tools, food, transport and communication the likes of which is simply astounding compared to 100 years ago or more. Today, there is no reason except for the banking enslavement system, that we could not have all the railroads, transport, power and communications infrastructure that we did 100 years ago with steam power and horse and cart, essentially for free. The machine provides. The structure of society, enslaved as it is on a debt system, is completely artificial, and is the greatest possible slow down in our journey to the stars imaginable. To repeat a fundamental fact which ought be known by all: At the end of World War 2, Australia was the only nation to end their participation with ZERO debt! We Aussies made our own planes, bombers, trains, radios, TVs, and mined all the raw materials we needed for everything, AND we balanced the books of fiat creation vs taxation where needed to stop "overcooking" of our economy. ZERO debt. We (Australia) went to war, we funded that war, we fueled our part in that war, we paid all the industrial production we required for our part in that war and for our support of our partners in that war, and we ended that war with ZERO debt! Holy mother of muffaluggering everything, muh grits, does that mean debt is an entirely artificial and unnecessary construct? Yes, yes it does grasshopper, yes it do indeed. And there IS a transition possible - and for those opinionated, hold your opinion still for a few seconds whilst we grasp the following concept: Vladimir Putin wiped out billions in cold war debt owed by nations including Venezuela, North Korea and others, to the USSR/ Russia, to a real degree "resetting the debt clock". That is, resetting the debt - wiping out purported debts, can be done, and has been done by Russia in the last couple decades, with the mere stroke of a digital pen. Debt is an artificial construct. Debt is a completely unnecessary construct. Debt causes a steady transfer of wealth from those who borrow "money" to those who "lend money" (in reality, the banks effectively print money, thus they are constitutionally unlawful in their current operation/ mechanisms of operation). And Australia showed how to become the wealthiest per-capita nation in the world, up until the end of World War II - by building your nation on "the credit of the nation" and not on "debt repayable to private corporations such as the Federal Reserve Banks". What went wrong? Bretton Woods - right at the end of WWII, Uncle Sam said "f#@k you Australia, going forward you WILL be indebted to the privately owned Federal Reserve banks". And since then, the Australian dollar, which was gold backed as well as backed by the wealthiest per-capita nation of people in the world at that time (actually, second to banking capital Switzerland, but ignoring that for the moment), has been fiat debt interest and QE reduced to about 2% of its former value. Absolutely criminal! But we the people have been largely ignorant of the theft of our wealth, the theft of our inheritance. What to do? Experiment with crypto currencies; network with real meat space things called humans, within our community; leverage the amazing machinery we have to create little pockets of food, water and energy independence. Good luck all - notwithstanding one's individual choices, NO ONE deserves to be enslaved in the way that China and the NSA/CIA/MIC are rapidly bringing downt he pipeline! No matter who you are, no matter what you choices have been so far in your life, I support you absolute right to freedom, to live and act in freedom within your (our shared) community. If we keep hating on one another, even CIA employees, heaven forbid, even Hillary Clinton, then we are living in hate, and we are failing to see the the bonds tying her conscience, and that of our "friendly neighbourhood CIA employees", shall continue to tie us all. A better future means a better future for all, not just for "good" people. Which rights ought we have? The fundamentals to start with: - the right to travel anonymously and without any taxation or fee payable to anyone whatsoever - the right to communicate freely and anonymously with any and all who will listen to our communications - the right to grow any plant, to harvest any plant, and to use any plant, for food or for medicine - the right to collect and use water when it falls from the sky - the right to join in company with our fellow humans, in the pursuit of those pursuits we consider collectively worthy of pursuing Good luck all, and may you individually, and may we collectively, break the chains of our individual and collective enslavement.

On 2019-05-21 11:53, Steven Schear wrote:

Why not build a competitive commercial product atop Google's AOSP?

Android is an open source product that relies on closed source products and closed source services - the "embrace and extend" strategy for stealing open source. Huawei needs to provide alternatives for those closed source products - primarily maps, gmail, you tube, and the playstore.

On 2019-05-22 12:50, Razer wrote:

Huawei is claiming the play store apps are compatible with their OS. OFC there are zero details.

Play store apps are compatible, since their OS is android, which is open source. Play store itself is not compatible. The moral is you should resist "embrace and extend", because once you are locked in to the extension, the lockin will suddenly change for the worse.