On 5/29/16, Mirimir wrote:

You need a telephone number to use that Whisper Systems stuff, right?

Group Silent Text/Circle/Mail/Phone, BlackPhone, used to have standalone SMS app but they dropped it. Group Whisper TextSecure/Signal, RedPhone, (to lesser degree partner WhatsApp), did the same, but SMSSecure. They have beta desktop version as chrome app. https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/904.pdf Can always use any droid apps in emulator, such as ChatSecure. And XOR modulo some printable charset any legacy SMS you care to send. A number? AFAIK, yes, presumably depending if you went opensource self path or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Limitations Phone numbers suck, which is why Pond, Ricochet, etc.

Setting up Pond servers isn't hard. A friend is working on a how-to.

But then there's the Panda exchange server :(

Mmm friends, and panda's, be seein ya soon.

On Sun, 29 May 2016 13:58:05 -0600 Mirimir wrote:

You need a telephone number to use that Whisper Systems stuff, right?

Dont worry, you can use an android phone and get the app. Those phones are super secure. Androido is based on free linux! And google is the flagship of western, liberal, democratic capitalism. They don't be no evil.

Setting up Pond servers isn't hard. A friend is working on a how-to.

But then there's the Panda exchange server :(

On 06/02/2016 01:55 PM, realcr wrote:

Androido! This mail has made my day :)

Yes, well Juan is spot on, for sure :) That's why we want to keep Pond as an option. Regardless of what statists say.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 10:39 AM, juan wrote:

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On Sun, 29 May 2016 13:58:05 -0600 Mirimir wrote:

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You need a telephone number to use that Whisper Systems stuff, right?

Dont worry, you can use an android phone and get the app. Those phones are super secure. Androido is based on free linux! And google is the flagship of western, liberal, democratic capitalism. They don't be no evil.

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Setting up Pond servers isn't hard. A friend is working on a how-to.

But then there's the Panda exchange server :(

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/03/2016 01:03 PM, mrnobody@mail-on.us wrote:

It the how to progresses, I'd be great if you could share it here.

Mirimir:

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On 05/29/2016 01:27 PM, grarpamp wrote:

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"*Pond is in stasis*, and has been for several years. I hope that some of the ideas prove useful in the future, but people should use something [better polished and reviewed](https://whispersystems.org). I've no plans to shutdown down the default server, but **new users should look elsewhere**." -- agl@github You need a telephone number to use that Whisper Systems stuff, right?

Setting up Pond servers isn't hard. A friend is working on a how-to.

But then there's the Panda exchange server :(

I really don't get how Adam Langley can be recommending apps on Android or iOS devices. That's some crazy shit. And undercomm spoke well of it, just a few months ago: https://medium.com/@undercomm/secure-communication-pond-4985bfe85a2c So anyway, I'm running a Pond server. As backup, or whatever. At: pondserver://VEPNRUOJLMJEKOB65RBCAM22YPJWQJIPUFT3WO32PK7JWLKU7RBQ@oj424kafxnudeizc.onion It's on a well secured server, in a Whonix-like setup. I'll write some instructions, and put them on http://dbshmc5frbchaum2.onion. Feel free to use it. To communicate with me, send a shared secret via encrypted email. My GnuPG key is at https://keybase.io/mirimir. To install a Pond client, see https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ac909d690b08ec50867e0b4639031e87. It works well in Whonix :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXqr0tAAoJEGINZVEXwuQ+qREIAJBVN/SRrbMQngL3YwgmVwlt hz1BFM6NhcVa4Ga4SCU5JkpBAXb+pwj1WOPyjYO9SalrYyeYaJ1iF3VdTFuPNlJG L1t8nAAbXKsjZ4GzdpMyXtUu7h4crwKnaXIM/DxLX3fmodySPS6za9oQXBW/rjf+ IBewGUimFKOnOAqkpsVHCDdJozUKk2SAoL9xhp73z3RJi484yW9AEQ9maO6OadrE 11Lf9QzR6WmvHMDX8WwuVOhy5ONtatqs6diGmKTgSZz5Ua+tgyLOCpNI5iTjJILG zl73kqJJgNNUQdepIoMGhMV9AWoaRpa3cITbngu9Te/sWSvvx2QP+if4ptOkyGM= =CmpN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----