On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 01:34:07AM +0900, Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote:

2015-06-03 0:42 GMT+09:00 Softy :

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​Arguably a category of child which would benefit from a concerned adults supervision.

I would never assert an alcoholic should choose a bar as their favourite hangout - nor would I claim they have no right to choose to do so. However, I would assert (to the alcoholic) they would be better off going to said bar with a helpful supervisor/friend.​

I would argue the alcoholic is best assigned a personal police officer and psychologist, to keep him in check and positive. In fact; everyone needs a personal police officer and psychologist.

Dude, I am pretty sure your view is not popular in east europe and/or russia. "a personal police" for each alcoholic likely means almost all of police are alcoholics too (in case they are natives). -- We don't need no education We don't need no thought control

On 06/02/2015 02:41 PM, Softy wrote:

If an individual fails to adhere to guidelines of their Society, they are punished.

I want to beg the point here. One of the guidelines of American society was implicit, institutionalized racism, and many people were punished in myriad ways for trying to change that. Some ended up dead. When I was a chld back in elementary school (vamping on Jim Morrison vamping on Lord Buckley), knee bends were a common gym exercise. Now they're known to cause knee damage and no longer practiced as part of a current school gym fitness program. Being able to swim meant you were a witch. Should I continue listing examples? I'd rather rant. Society punishes people alright, but that doesn't make that society's judgment correct, moral or ethical. I'd say the same for punishment of children for not performing to their parent's expectations assuming the child was not in any physical danger, and parents in American society often think the most harmless things are dangerous... Because they simply 'don't get out very much'. Wear a beard in my town full of clean-shaven upwardly mobile yuppies and dinks and they shy away from you like you're Charlie Manson incarnate. But simply go bald-faced, and no one thinks your strange at all until they find out after-the-fact you're going out to fern bars picking up women in your Izod Dockers and rollie costume for the purpose of raping them. Most industrial society parents are literally vicious morons and they should NOT be allowed to punish children for not conforming. Native Americans didn't, and in my child-rearing years I didn't, and you know, my kids turned out just fine thanks.

Juan wrote:

Softy wrote:

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If an individual fails to adhere to guidelines of their Society, they are punished. That is what Society is for.

This is...too much.

Yeahhh, that's not what society is actually for, per se. Even if you take a harsh reading of Foucault and realize that we've moved from a disciplinary society to a control society (and then to a panoptic society), you're quite cynical if Punishment is all you think that society is structured to do. That, or you feel extra put-upon for some reason. Everything okay, Softy?

2015-06-03 11:23 GMT+09:00 Mirimir :

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I would argue the alcoholic is best assigned a personal police officer and psychologist, to keep him in check and positive. In fact; everyone needs a personal police officer and psychologist.

This was irony. Yes?

Irony, but not an unrealistic future. Note that you /are/ a child. There's always others responsible for you, they will take their responsibility. And, you are also a liability to others. In a competitive enough world you are a liability when you are not productive. I believe inflation is part effective because it demands greater productivity.

On 06/02/2015 03:41 PM, Softy wrote:

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If an individual fails to adhere to guidelines of their Society, they are punished. That is what Society is for.

This was not irony. Yes?

I believe this was just foolish. Society is a common madness, not something that is for a reason. All it takes is evolutionary feasibility - which I would say Society is for; continuing it's own existence, regardless of anything.

On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 08:23:31PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:

Please help me calibrate my irony detector.

This was irony. Yes?

<SNIP>

This was not irony. Yes?

This might be related to Poe's law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law --- Poe's law is an internet adage which states that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, parodies of extremism are indistinguishable from sincere expressions of extremism. ---

Juan wrote:

The vast majority of human society operates on the principle of unintentional self-parody.

Juan's Law. -=rsw

On 6/7/15, Riad S. Wahby wrote:

Juan wrote:

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The vast majority of human society operates on the principle of unintentional self-parody.

Juan's Law.

-=rsw

:D

On 06/06/2015 08:47 PM, Juan wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 09:52:33 +1000 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On 6/7/15, Riad S. Wahby wrote:

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Juan wrote:

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The vast majority of human society operates on the principle of unintentional self-parody.

Juan's Law.

-=rsw

:D

Yep. I get caught in a recursive, self-parody loop as well =P

How about this? All self-conscious entities operate on the principle of unintentional self-parody. ;)

On 06/08/2015 08:41 AM, rysiek wrote:

Dnia sobota, 6 czerwca 2015 21:00:35 Mirimir pisze:

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On 06/06/2015 08:47 PM, Juan wrote:

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On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 09:52:33 +1000

Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On 6/7/15, Riad S. Wahby wrote:

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Juan wrote:

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The vast majority of human society operates on the

principle of unintentional self-parody.

Juan's Law.

-=rsw

:D

Yep. I get caught in a recursive, self-parody loop as well =P

How about this?

All self-conscious entities operate on the principle of unintentional self-parody.

All self-parodying entities operate on the principle of unintentional self-consciousness?..

:)

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 01:34:07 +0900 Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote:

I would argue the alcoholic is best assigned a personal police officer and psychologist, to keep him in check and positive. In fact; everyone needs a personal police officer and psychologist.

Speaking of trolling... Or was that a joke Lodewijk?

On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 04:00:05 +0900 Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote:

2015-06-03 4:57 GMT+09:00 Juan :

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Or was that a joke Lodewijk?

Talking about childhood brings out my inner anarchist. I'm on your side for this one Juan. Get the molotovs.

I did enjoy your reply to Softy. Thanks ;)