Re: www.Tesmanian.com: SpaceX is getting closer to offering Starlink Internet
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:53:06 +1000 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
musk is just a figurehead and facade for NASA-NSA-jakobo-goldman-sachs and the-rest-of-govcorp.
None of which were able to get a man to the space station and back, despite trying for many years.
Whatever you think 'musk' does is actually done by govcorp.
And yet govcorp was unable to do any of those things.
I guess you subscribe to the Jim Bell style of 'logic' in which the most idiotic contradictions are regarded 'high scientific truth'. Satellites, solar panels, electric cars and similar garbage are old, subsidized products of govcorp. Musk is the 'marketing' guy. "And yet govcorp was unable to do any of those things." yes James. And reality doesn't exist.
Musk gets 'credit' from goldman-sachs
Bullshit.
Musk earned a lot of money, by creating a great deal of value,
'value' for govcorp yes. So let me translate : "creating value for govcorp" means looting 99.999% of the population. Now, the 'engineering' career of musk is pretty entertaining. Let's take a look : "In 1995, Musk and his brother, Kimbal, started Zip2, a web software company" Wait, so he was a 'web designer'? LMAO. "In March 1999, Musk co-founded X.com, an online financial services" which would become the NSA-cancer known as paypal. Yeah no doubt 'cypherpunks' have plenty of reasons to suck musk's cock. It doesn't look like musk built a 'revolutionary' rocket engine in his garage does it? It doesn't look like he's an engineer at all. He's a marketing guy-politician-crony capitalist. So back to my jakobo-goldman-sachs comment. I used the term as a general reference to the financial mafia. The money doesn't have to come directly from goldman-sachs or the rothschilds or morgan stanley, or or. Ultimately all the (fake) money comes from the central bank of course. GS is just one agent. If you don't believe me, you can learn from warren buffet. "Pretty Good for Government Work" https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/opinion/17buffett.html
and he is pals with other billionaires, who also earned a great deal of money by creating a great deal of value, and he gets angel investments from his fellow billionaires
yes, all those 'fellow billionaires' are top oligarchs and so must be at the very top of 'Jim Bell's List' - that is, the list of criminals that need to be exterminated.
None of whom are Goldman or Sach.
all of them are jakobo and goldman and sach. here's another poster boy for your style of nazism, and especially relevant to 'cypherpunks' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies ah yes, thiel is another member of the paypal mafia, go figure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal_Mafia yeah, they beat me to it.
On 2020-08-24 05:23, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
Satellites, solar panels, electric cars and similar garbage are old, subsidized products of govcorp. Musk is the 'marketing' guy.
Government is demonstrably incapable of creating technology. Like government radar, NASA’s government rockets did not go anywhere. If socialism could do science and technology, then the Soviet Union and Mao’s China would have had better stuff. Wherever you see a military with decent technology, it is because they have a healthy private sector to buy it from or confiscate it from. If socialism could produce high tech … https://blog.jim.com/images/socialism-vs-capitalism/cuba-singapore.png The difference is so obvious and enormous that you can see it from space: https://blog.jim.com/images/socialism-vs-capitalism/Koreas.jpg The difference is simple and glaringly obvious. Government cannot produce science and technology, except by buying it or confiscating it from private actors. When the US captured Wernher von Braun it tried to build rockets and failed. It asked him how his rockets were built, it looked at his rockets, and it still failed. When it put him in charge, then it succeeded. And when he died, rocketry stopped advancing until Space X. Government funded him to build bigger rockets, probably bigger than the private sector would have or could have. But it funded him because he was already building rockets, as Hewlett Packard had already been building electronic equipment, which work was disrupted, not sponsored, by the wartime electronic counter measures work. German rocketry started with the Verein für Raumschiffahrt (Society for space travel). German rockets were based on VFR work, and American and Russian rockets based on German work. And the Nazis shut down VFR, as the American Government shut down Hewlett Packard. Silicon Valley was not born of the Harvard Group’s Electronic Counter measures. If it had been, Silicon Valley would be located in Harvard, where almost every member of the Electronic Counter Measures group was and remained. Rather, the Harvard group’s electronic counter measures were born of seizing what was in Hewlett Packard’s garage, much as the V2 and the space program was born of seizing what was in the garages of VFR members. That Silicon Valley happened where the government stole technology from, (Hewlett Packard’s garage in Palo Alto) not where they stole technology to (Harvard) shows that government did not cause Silicon Valley. Similarly, NASA could not build rockets, except they put a man the Nazis kidnapped from the VFR, and that they kidnapped from the Nazis, in charge. Observe the Soviet Union. Before the revolution, Russians were among the world leaders in creating planes and such. After the revolution, Lenin had to hire American experts, and all Soviet cars were inferior knockoffs of American cars. They did OK in building guns and suchlike, but that was Russian socialism competing with American socialism. And when American socialism attempt to create technology, what does it do.
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 06:53:29 +1000 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 2020-08-24 05:23, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
Satellites, solar panels, electric cars and similar garbage are old, subsidized products of govcorp. Musk is the 'marketing' guy.
Government is demonstrably incapable of creating technology.
You're right James. That follows from Jim Bell's Philosophy. Reality doesn't exist.
Wherever you see a military with decent technology, it is because they have a healthy private sector to buy it from or confiscate it from.
You mean russian nukes are not decent?
The difference is simple and glaringly obvious. Government cannot produce science and technology, except by buying it or confiscating it from private actors.
but all of your 'science' comes from 'public schools' and 'public universities' James. Also your 'private sector' can't exist without daily government bailouts : https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/opinion/17buffett.html Maybe you have trouble reading english? Ask somebody who can read english to read that piece and explain it to you.
When the US captured Wernher von Braun it tried to build rockets and failed. It asked him how his rockets were built, it looked at his rockets, and it still failed. When it put him in charge, then it succeeded.
so who was von braun? Ah yes, a 'leading' nazi 'scientist'. What does that mean? It means that the nazi government "was demonstrably CAPABLE of creating technology" it seems.
And when he died, rocketry stopped advancing until Space X.
Sure, in yours and Jim Bell's non existent reality.
Government funded him to build bigger rockets, probably bigger than the private sector would have or could have. But it funded him because he was already building rockets,
no, he was doing webpages and stealing money through 'electronic' banking. And working for the NSA of course. Don't you James, as a 'cypherpunk', understand what paypal is?
as Hewlett Packard had already been building electronic equipment, which work was disrupted, not sponsored, by the wartime electronic counter measures work.
those were closer to real engineers but ultimately another creation of govcorp. Like all of your americunt 'industry' since 1776 and the tariffs that enabled it.
German rocketry started with the Verein für Raumschiffahrt (Society for space travel). German rockets were based on VFR work, and American and Russian rockets based on German work. And the Nazis shut down VFR, as the American Government shut down Hewlett Packard.
german rockets and all the rest of german 'technology' are textbook examples of government subsidized/created garbage. Germany being of course another poster boy for corporatism.
Silicon Valley was not born of the Harvard Group’s Electronic Counter measures.
of course it was. Silicon valley is just another US military operation.
Similarly, NASA could not build rockets, except they put a man the Nazis kidnapped from the VFR, and that they kidnapped from the Nazis, in charge.
nasa built rockets by hiring an 'ex' german government employee. So nasa got its rockets from the german government.
Observe the Soviet Union. Before the revolution, Russians were among the world leaders in creating planes and such.
this soviet plane doesn't look bad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160 and oh by the way, you US nazi turds 'won' the war thanks to the russian commies so you should show more respect to your saviours.
After the revolution, Lenin had to hire American experts, and all Soviet cars were inferior knockoffs of American cars.
They did OK in building guns and suchlike, but that was Russian socialism competing with American socialism.
And when American socialism attempt to create technology, what does it do.
tesla, spacex, google, crapple and all the rest of your nazi garbage.
jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
Government is demonstrably incapable of creating technology.
On 2020-08-24 07:48, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
You're right James. That follows from Jim Bell's Philosophy. Reality doesn't exist.
Reality is that all government technology is stolen or purchased from the private sector, and that when the government steals technology from the private sector, it has to kidnap the people who created it, and when those people retire, the technology gradually goes to shit.
german rockets and all the rest of german 'technology' are textbook examples of government subsidized/created garbage.
The historical fact is that the VFR, not the German government, created liquid fuel rockets, and a man kidnapped from the VFR created the moon rocket. And when that man retired from NASA, rockets started going downhill until Musk created a private rocket with private money from his own wealth, and the wealth of similar people.
You mean russian nukes are not decent?
Russian nukes were stolen American technology, which were based on stolen private technology and people kidnapped from the private sector, as NASA's big liquid fueled rockets were based on the VFR's tiny liquid fueled rockets and a man kidnapped from the VFR. And since those men have, like Von Braun, retired, nukes have been going downhill. America can no longer make lithium six, tritium, or plutonium 238, which makes it unlikely that our nukes still work. The people in charge of our nukes want a lead time before testing a nuke, which lead time just happens to be long enough that they are likely to get a different, and perhaps more malleable, president before the inconvenience of actually testing a nuke. If they cannot test a bomb at short notice, unlikely to be able to blow up an enemy at short notice. Russian nuclear reactors stagnated with ours, until Putin, whose new improved nuclear reactors were created by private sector contractors.
here's another funny note. As far as I can tell the 'cheapest' piece of junk from tesla is obscenely priced at 40 thousand dollars. It turns out that the 'green' 'hippies' who 'care about the enviroment' and buy tesla junk have to...pollute a good deal to 'earn' 40k to waste in a car? What kind of asshole wastes 40k in a car anyway? Hmmm. This highly idiotic contradiction must have a High Scientific Truth behind it. Or something.
On 2020-08-24 08:36, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
here's another funny note. As far as I can tell the 'cheapest' piece of junk from tesla is obscenely priced at 40 thousand dollars
Tesla exists primarily to keep the greenies off Musk's rockets. Under Obama, Nasa kept trying to shut him down. The major value of the Space Force is that it gives Musk a Space Force range safety officer in place of the NASA range safety officer.
On Sunday, August 23, 2020, 01:54:13 PM PDT, jamesd@echeque.com
Satellites, solar panels, electric cars and similar garbage are old, subsidized products of govcorp. Musk is the 'marketing' guy.
Government is demonstrably incapable of creating technology. [snip]
When the US captured Wernher von Braun it tried to build rockets and failed. It asked him how his rockets were built, it looked at his rockets, and it still failed. When it put him in charge, then it succeeded. And when he died, rocketry stopped advancing until Space X.
In about July 1975, I went with my grandfather on an airplane trip from Kansas City to see the Apollo/Soyuz mission begin. It was sponsored by the Kansas City Philharmonic, and that trip was the first and only time I've travelled on a 747 airplane. Turns out Werner Von Braun and Susan Ford (daughter of then-President Gerald Ford) were on that plane. I can easily recall the trip: The launch of the rocket was easily the loudest sound I'd ever heard in my life.
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