-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/11/2017 11:26 AM, Razer wrote:

On 05/11/2017 06:39 AM, John Newman wrote:

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https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/862069019301601281

"This FBI Director has sought for years to jail me on account of my political activities. If I can oppose his firing, so can you."

John

Snowden is an "All-American Boy" who thinks he's doing his patriotic duty by leaking and LUVS the American Gestapo (as long as they aren't killing him and burying him in a shallow alligator-filled Florida ditch.)

I think of Snowden as victim of circumstances controlled by others, and very possibly an unwitting agent selected from a pool of candidates provided by the Insider Threat Program. Am I the only one who has noticed that every real-world consequence of The Snowden Affair has benefited his former employers? Snowden's freedom of action ended when he handed Glen Greenwald a collection of documents that brought in $250 million when Greenwald shopped them around. From that time forward Ed has been a prisoner in a portable cage, because for reasons known only to himself he decided to sign his name vs. concealing his identity. Lest we forget, Chelsea Manning was only busted because she said too much to a snitch - and Ed certainly knew that. The first thing the Snowden docs were used for was to open up NSA domestic network surveillance as an issue for Congress to settle. They did so by allowing it to continue, and in the process established that lying to Congress under oath is not a crime if the DCI does it. There are huge advantages in picking the time and place of a fight in advance and preparing in depth before making "the other guy" start it. The second thing the Snowden docs were used for was to keep the Manning trial out of the news. Greenwald reportedly fought with his editors to move the publication date up to coincide with the first day of Manning's trial. They did so and the result was "Chelsea who? Oh, that's over and done with ages ago." The only real damage the Snowden Docs did to State interests was not done by them at all: The popular press falsely attributes leaked NSA docs originating in Germany, i.e. the one that revealed Merkel's phones were tapped, to Snowden. :o/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJZFJ8QAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqbWQH/0FFF51AZoMr2TwjdjjJkuk+ zDHRspTard9/uF4mZ6wq/SRPabdTnoRJhUjSlXe8V0+LMouvFJQsUXvGineWhih0 HPV91N/1/aJtWh1E+R77r5NIiYhARMpkBF9xQGJHIOOUZJEzjxIqt95QfJn1LpaH 7e/ft5nPsYVQQLXn5WaiJ8q4O1ndOmghH7Es2xa0FcWe3KzbEz/0CiPIH1/w694K wmatw6IgHiWTkuKb8gLAiT2V1f5XNeg1BBudVlTLDDpKhHa7VnFlLOiascQQMzda gwkn+GhN5HRX1HYyozuVCJIDzWiHFfe4SFllCaHnRZIPYJxLSQiAwcN+090TZZs= =o6tu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On 05/11/2017 04:32 PM, juan wrote:

On Thu, 11 May 2017 13:27:44 -0400 Steve Kinney wrote:

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I think of Snowden as victim of circumstances controlled by others, and very possibly an unwitting agent selected from a pool of candidates provided by the Insider Threat Program. Am I the only one who has noticed that every real-world consequence of The Snowden Affair has benefited his former employers?

Well, I certainly noticed that after Snowden's 'disclosures' the pentagon and friends got even more aggressive and the global american cyber police state more entrenched.

I don't know if Snowden was just a pawn in that game though. I guess it's possible.

Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you can't be a 'useful idiot'. Rr

On 05/11/2017 10:04 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

On 05/11/2017 07:42 PM, Razer wrote:

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On 05/11/2017 04:32 PM, juan wrote:

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On Thu, 11 May 2017 13:27:44 -0400 Steve Kinney wrote:

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I think of Snowden as victim of circumstances controlled by others, and very possibly an unwitting agent selected from a pool of candidates provided by the Insider Threat Program. Am I the only one who has noticed that every real-world consequence of The Snowden Affair has benefited his former employers?

Well, I certainly noticed that after Snowden's 'disclosures' the pentagon and friends got even more aggressive and the global american cyber police state more entrenched.

I don't know if Snowden was just a pawn in that game though. I guess it's possible.

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Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you can't be a 'useful idiot'.

By his own account, Snowden was a malcontent who was told by his office mates to shut up and ignore illegal activities. Whether he came to the attention of the Insider Threat Program or other CI programs is a question of how "good" they are at doing their jobs.

And you see? Snowden thought they were/are 'illegal activities'. That's what he gets for thinking. I'm SURE the finest lawyers the NSA could buy gave all sorts of citations for the absolute legality http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/72893522022 of programs like PRISM. They were/are too! I'm not seeing any criminal charges filed. That's why. There was no such illegality (or for that matter unconstitutionality... Snowden buys into the rich white men's rules) as Snowden *thought*. If you look at how the FBI sets up their Muslim Frames you can see they're all good at the job, but don't concern themselves with outcomes. Those frame jobs have a VERY hard time in courts with juries. Those frame jobs are just as much terrorism on the Muslim community of the US informing them to 'shut up and stay in line' as the use of Snowden (or John Kiriakou or Manning or...) as a posterchild for what happens if you don't 'shut up and stay in line' is terrorism of the intel community. Sort of reminds me... http://torrentking.eu/movie-1967/the-president-s-analyst-torrents/ Rr

On 05/14/2017 09:08 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

On 05/12/2017 11:26 AM, Razer wrote:

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Sort of reminds me... http://torrentking.eu/movie-1967/the-president-s-analyst-torrents/

I <3 The President's Analyst. Anybody here who ain't seen it, ought to see it.

:o)

Took a long time to find a seeded torrent. There were none I could find prior to Trump's election... Says sumpthin'. Sort of like that Psych1 college class where the kids are there solely to figure out what's wrong with their friends, or themselves. In my search I also found this: "(Robert) Evans (Paramount producer) claimed that during production of the film he was visited by FBI Special Agents who told him that the Bureau didn't want the film made due to the unflattering portrayal of the FBI. Evans refused, then when pressure came from his studio he changed the FBI to the FBR and CIA to CEA by redubbing the voice track. Evans believed that his telephone was monitored by the Bureau (or the phone company) from then on.[4]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_President's_Analyst The portrayal of the FBI was VERY unflattering and it's also rumored the FBI did it's best to kill the film's distribution. Rr

On 05/14/2017 10:39 PM, grarpamp wrote:

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Razer wrote:

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http://torrentking.eu/movie-1967/the-president-s-analyst-torrents/ I <3 The President's Analyst. Anybody here who ain't seen it, ought Bureau didn't want the film made due to the unflattering portrayal of Fuck that shit, its first amendant. Is even question whether you can even libel a govt that itself claim natural soverign "right of correctness interpretation authority" over all things.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_President's_Analyst FBI did it's best to kill the film's distribution. Indie films on darknets mate.

They tried strong-arming Paramount... It didn't prevent a first run, but then... relative obscurity. Rr PS. The torrent was slow for me. But it completed. I never had much luck uploading torrents myself. Try this... http://www.demonoid.click/files/details/3552579/ ...and let me know how it goes. Magnet link is huge because I added a lot of trackers but here's the torrent file link. http://www.demonoid.click/files/download/3552579/ I'm not online all the time, just mornings and evenings PDT. I just uploaded the torrent so no other seeders yet. Add: udp://inferno.demonoid.pw:3391/announce to the tracker list if it isn't auto-magically included

OTOH, Chelsea Manning,

You mean, Bradley Manning?

I suspect, due to her involvement

HIS involvement.

in the leaking of the Crazy Horse 18 helicopter gunship assassination of a stringer for Reuters, the wounding of another, and the better part of a civilian family who came to assist too, may be not so much a "patriot" anymore.

Sounds like fake news. \0x

On 05/11/2017 09:24 PM, Mirimir wrote:

On 05/11/2017 12:34 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:

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OTOH, Chelsea Manning,

You mean, Bradley Manning?

People can change their names, bro.

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I suspect, due to her involvement

HIS involvement.

Gender assignment represents the imposition of a binary distinction on a complex multidimensional space. At the genetic level, XXY, XXXY, XXX, XYY and XYYY are possible. People may have both male and female gonads and sex organs at birth, and typically get surgery to male or female, depending on genetics, cultural preferences and surgical feasibility. Maternal hormonal environment during gestation, both idiopathic and iatrogenic, also affect sexual development.

So anyway, changing gender identity is sometimes the best option. Versus faking it as whatever circumstances provided.

Also, what's your standing to have an opinion about another's personal choices?

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of the Crazy Horse 18 helicopter gunship assassination of a stringer for Reuters, the wounding of another, and the better part of a civilian family who came to assist too, may be not so much a "patriot" anymore.

Sounds like fake news.

No, it sounds like war, featuring young grunts who have been trained to depersonalize the enemy. If in doubt, they kill 'em all.

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\0x

It's really sad that cypherpunks has become infested with alt-right maggots. I came back after almost 15 years absence in the hope to hear good cypherpunk stuff and talk of how to resist eavesdroppers and big brother with cryptography. But the years have twisted former social libertarians into apologists for authority and oppression. I've plonked most but can't filter out the replys. I guess that is what insecurity about privilege does to some.

On 05/11/2017 05:35 PM, Marina Brown wrote: <SNIP>

It's really sad that cypherpunks has become infested with alt-right maggots. I came back after almost 15 years absence in the hope to hear good cypherpunk stuff and talk of how to resist eavesdroppers and big brother with cryptography.

Yeah, I was gone for many years. It wasn't bad when I came back in late 2014, but it started going to hell after the Appelbaum mess, and dramatically since the 2016 US presidential campaign.

But the years have twisted former social libertarians into apologists for authority and oppression.

There's more to it than that, I think. The enemy of my enemy dynamic has tended to intermix disparate groups opposed to government abuse or existence. Who all see crypto/privacy/anonymity as valuable. Plus scammers and opportunists. Also cynicism, lulz and flat-out crazies. And infiltration of dissident groups by Russian intelligence. So that's what we have. It was evident on Usenet a decade ago. And I'm surprised that it took so long to show up here. So it goes.

I've plonked most but can't filter out the replys.

I filter on both sender and body, so I don't see replies either. But I do occasionally look at junk, and reply to interesting stuff. In that case, I often redact stuff so I'll see replies. Sorry if that breaks your filters :(

I guess that is what insecurity about privilege does to some.

For some, maybe. For others, more like senility, I think ;)

On May 11, 2017, at 7:34 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:

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OTOH, Chelsea Manning,

You mean, Bradley Manning?

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I suspect, due to her involvement

HIS involvement.

What is a the point of these kind of content-free, hateful replies? What the fuck do you care if Chelsea Manning wants to be Chelsea? Does it stir some deep insecurity of your own? Why the fuck send this kind of shit? I suppose i should ask myself the same question: why reply to such asinine captain dynamite emails? A problem of mine i'm working on.

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in the leaking of the Crazy Horse 18 helicopter gunship assassination of a stringer for Reuters, the wounding of another, and the better part of a civilian family who came to assist too, may be not so much a "patriot" anymore.

Sounds like fake news. \0x

On 05/19/2017 08:48 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:34 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:

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OTOH, Chelsea Manning,

You mean, Bradley Manning?

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I suspect, due to her involvement

HIS involvement.

https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/865250670831702016

Chelsea is a very beautiful woman, my dear, and after years of prison and deep and cruel psychological torture, she is finally feeling happy. You don't need to 'love' her, but please respect her choices, her freedom, her life.

The same about all transgenders, please. Thanks!

Take care.

c.

Ceci: Thanks for your kind corrections. I'm not so patient with the slime dwellers that have infested this list. --- M

Correction. You know the REAL truth of Bradley/Chelsea Manning? S/He DOESN'T exist. It's all a creation from the Matrix, the all-seeing-eye. I know this, because the story is ME. This is the fallout when I was holding the 2012 Mayan prophesy with the stength of the US military, but then declined. The media wizards just didn't have a clue what had happened, and this story was created. It's a little more elaborate than that, but believe me, s/he doesn't exist. Poof-> marxos On 5/23/17, \0xDynamite wrote:

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OTOH, Chelsea Manning,

You mean, Bradley Manning?

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I suspect, due to her involvement

HIS involvement.

https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/865250670831702016

Chelsea is a very beautiful woman, my dear, and after years of prison and deep and cruel psychological torture, she is finally feeling happy. You don't need to 'love' her, but please respect her choices, her freedom, her life.

Reasoning: You don't need to love Hitler either, but respect his choices, HIS freedom, his life.

You are STOOPID.

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The same about all transgenders, please. Thanks!

They are NOT transgender. Please stop insulting women! do you think they somehow inherit all the problems and uterus of a women just because "they feel like they are truly a woman inside" when THEY piss out their FUCKING DICK?

Fucking idiots!

Marxos

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:36 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:

Reasoning: You don't need to love Hitler either, but respect his choices, HIS freedom, his life.

Godwin's Law, aff... Oh, God, this lack of arguments is always pretty limited and fuck_ng boring. Hey, Mark, you are so original, it's a brilliant point! Hitler would be proud of you and very thankful! :) You do probably not know the Godwin's Law, so ask Google or someone smarter. You are sooo intelligent, probably can make a simple research. Tell me if you need help. :)

You are STOOPID.

Oh, thanks for the kind words! You are a "STOOPID" too, Mark. Fortunately, at least I know much more about Philosophy, hackerspaces, and soldering than you. Did you already learn something about electronics or are still whining in hackerspaces lists, asking desperately for help like a little baby girl? :)

They are NOT transgender. Please stop insulting women! do you think they somehow inherit all the problems and uterus of a women just because "they feel like they are truly a woman inside" when THEY piss out their FUCKING DICK?

I am a woman and my uterus and I don't feel "insulted" in any aspect because of transgenders. My ovaries support them too! :) I don't have a penis for stand up peeing, but I am considering to buy this ( http://www.the-stand-up.com ) or something similar for use in shows and camping, hahaha!! ;D

Fucking idiots!

You are a fuck_ng idiot too. Or are you so idiot that didn't notice it yet? :)

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 07:02:43PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

On 05/23/2017 10:14 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:36 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:

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Reasoning: You don't need to love Hitler either, but respect his choices, HIS freedom, his life.

Godwin's Law, aff... Oh, God, this lack of arguments is always pretty limited and fuck_ng boring.

Godwin's Law: A pro-fascist Internet meme used to declare any comparison between contemporary events or personalities with Nazi Germany categorically invalid and irrelevant.

Damn! Stylish response bro! :D I've never heard Godwin's Law taken down before ... and it's so obvious now that you speak it :) Yee haw! Language domination law bites the dust...

People say that those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. But what about people who actively suppress lessons of history? One could imagine they /want/ to repeat those lessons, at someone else's expense.

"Whom are you not allowed to criticize?"

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Hey, Mark, you are so original, it's a brilliant point! Hitler would be proud of you and very thankful! :)

You do probably not know the Godwin's Law, so ask Google or someone smarter. You are sooo intelligent, probably can make a simple research. Tell me if you need help. :)

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You are STOOPID.

Oh, thanks for the kind words! You are a "STOOPID" too, Mark. Fortunately, at least I know much more about Philosophy, hackerspaces, and soldering than you. Did you already learn something about electronics or are still whining in hackerspaces lists, asking desperately for help like a little baby girl? :)

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They are NOT transgender. Please stop insulting women! do you think they somehow inherit all the problems and uterus of a women just because "they feel like they are truly a woman inside" when THEY piss out their FUCKING DICK?

I am a woman and my uterus and I don't feel "insulted" in any aspect because of transgenders. My ovaries support them too! :)

I don't have a penis for stand up peeing, but I am considering to buy this ( http://www.the-stand-up.com ) or something similar for use in shows and camping, hahaha!! ;D

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Fucking idiots!

You are a fuck_ng idiot too. Or are you so idiot that didn't notice it yet? :)