So.... regarding the revolution you guys have been making (last seen c.1996), there are a few of us building out and thinking about how the true "freedom-lover" (a*archist) can stay less dependent of commercial and state dependencies. Byzantium and other mesh networking projects show much promise, allowing scalign to metropolitan-radius levels with only a few dozen or less participants. A few other dozen backbones with higher power levels up 100W would cover a whole continent. I've worked out a power equation which should be both functional and "under the radar" to power-that-be. The key insight is knowing that you can attenuate your signal at twice the radius that you're attempting to broadcast. In this way you keep the "heat map" of your network WELL under the background radiation of most metropolitan cities. P (in Watts) =((radius in meters)^(1/4)). This is the maximum power for licensed operation in a given range. So if you have 10 units operating in that range, you must divde the number by 10 to get any *individual* transmitter power limit. For unlicensed operation, you may have to divide this number by 2 unless you're using a public band set aside (like CB radio). It would be interesting if someone could do some dimensional analysis on this equation as it relates volts and amps to distance in space, which I find intriguing. So that means a mesh network with a granularity of a mile should be about 3W per transmitter. In theory, you should be able to receive at this level if your tuning is fine enough. Next topic: how to send an unbreakable cipher using base *i*. Marxos
Sorry I should have left out the issue of dividing by the number of
units, since I'm effectively making a special mesh networking domain
and you'll only be polluting your own radio-space. You may still want
to divide the power level by two, though, if your unlicensed.
However, if you encode your license number onto your protocol packets,
then you can keep your licensed power output for all your
bros(/sisters) using your mesh protocol.
Cheers!
Marxos
On 11/4/17, \0xDynamite
So.... regarding the revolution you guys have been making (last seen c.1996), there are a few of us building out and thinking about how the true "freedom-lover" (a*archist) can stay less dependent of commercial and state dependencies.
Byzantium and other mesh networking projects show much promise, allowing scalign to metropolitan-radius levels with only a few dozen or less participants. A few other dozen backbones with higher power levels up 100W would cover a whole continent.
I've worked out a power equation which should be both functional and "under the radar" to power-that-be. The key insight is knowing that you can attenuate your signal at twice the radius that you're attempting to broadcast. In this way you keep the "heat map" of your network WELL under the background radiation of most metropolitan cities.
P (in Watts) =((radius in meters)^(1/4)). This is the maximum power for licensed operation in a given range. So if you have 10 units operating in that range, you must divde the number by 10 to get any *individual* transmitter power limit. For unlicensed operation, you may have to divide this number by 2 unless you're using a public band set aside (like CB radio).
It would be interesting if someone could do some dimensional analysis on this equation as it relates volts and amps to distance in space, which I find intriguing.
So that means a mesh network with a granularity of a mile should be about 3W per transmitter. In theory, you should be able to receive at this level if your tuning is fine enough.
Next topic: how to send an unbreakable cipher using base *i*.
Marxos
On 11/5/2017 1:05 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:
So.... regarding the revolution you guys have been making (last seen c.1996), there are a few of us building out and thinking about how the true "freedom-lover" (a*archist) can stay less dependent of commercial and state dependencies.
Byzantium and other mesh networking projects show much promise, allowing scalign to metropolitan-radius levels with only a few dozen or less participants. A few other dozen backbones with higher power levels up 100W would cover a whole continent.
I've worked out a power equation which should be both functional and "under the radar" to power-that-be. The key insight is knowing that you can attenuate your signal at twice the radius that you're attempting to broadcast. In this way you keep the "heat map" of your network WELL under the background radiation of most metropolitan cities.
P (in Watts) =((radius in meters)^(1/4)). This is the maximum power for licensed operation in a given range. So if you have 10 units operating in that range, you must divde the number by 10 to get any *individual* transmitter power limit. For unlicensed operation, you may have to divide this number by 2 unless you're using a public band set aside (like CB radio).
It would be interesting if someone could do some dimensional analysis on this equation as it relates volts and amps to distance in space, which I find intriguing.
So that means a mesh network with a granularity of a mile should be about 3W per transmitter. In theory, you should be able to receive at this level if your tuning is fine enough.
Next topic: how to send an unbreakable cipher using base *i*.
Marxos
The tech definitely exists - they have some power specs on their site https://www.iqrf.org/iqrfabout
The tech definitely exists - they have some power specs on their site https://www.iqrf.org/iqrfabout
Mesh networking is dynamic in topography and other ways (power, low friction to joining, etc) that it has the potential to be disruptive in a useful way, in a time frame that some folks could relate to - i.e. in comparison to N2N/ neighbour to neighbour ethernet/ physical networking. There does however be a need to have some persistence of networking I imagine - completely unpredictable networking is not so popular with mom and pop needing the "browser" babysitter for the kids...
This isn't for mom and pop. This is for anarchists and
revolutionaries of culture.
Marxos
On 11/6/17, Zenaan Harkness
The tech definitely exists - they have some power specs on their site https://www.iqrf.org/iqrfabout
Mesh networking is dynamic in topography and other ways (power, low friction to joining, etc) that it has the potential to be disruptive in a useful way, in a time frame that some folks could relate to - i.e. in comparison to N2N/ neighbour to neighbour ethernet/ physical networking.
There does however be a need to have some persistence of networking I imagine - completely unpredictable networking is not so popular with mom and pop needing the "browser" babysitter for the kids...
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 12:07 AM, \0xDynamite
This isn't for mom and pop. This is for anarchists and revolutionaries of culture.
# https://freifunk.net/en/what-is-it-about # https://fundacio.guifi.net/Foundation (I can help you with Español; Català is so beautiful and poetic that I love all the sounds... but really have difficult to understand some texts and videos around the net.) There are lots of projects on the net about mesh networking, Mark. Sorry, I'm having a very boring migraine and I'm feeling with no patience for reading and researching. I admit I read your original messages without pay much attention, so ask pardon in advance for eventual misunderstandings or mistakes.
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