On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 07:27:48PM -0400, S wrote offlist:

Doesn't it prove that Tor is awesome when state level entities are using Tor for their comms and hiding among the traffic. Not sure how that is a bad thing as it shows how good the Tor network is at what it does not the other way around. Everyone has their own agendas. Let to each their own.

Tor, as Juan has pointed out so many times, is developed on only so far as the USA govt can still maintain a GPA ability. This means that technically, for some things we can "hide amongst the traffic" but only if our own chosen speech is not objected to by the USA state. Or, unless our personal op-sec is really really good. And so Tor network as it stands today is one sided - in favour of the USA government, at least in respect of certain types of speech which are very important to a sane world. In other words, the rot/crap needs to be improved, and the "community cathartic experience" of the breakdown happening in Tor community and Tor Inc is a very good thing - because, it is only the really important free speech which matters in the long term (think survival of the species etc). Accepting fundamental compromises to our principles is not the punk way - at least, it's not my way. HTH ..