-------- Original message --------From: Steve Kinney Date: 3/11/18 3:04 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: alex jones On 03/09/2018 09:38 PM, juan wrote:

I never paid much attention to the guy - he seemed mostly a fake libertarian clown (americunt nationalist,  jew-christian nutcase) but lately I caught a couple of interesting bits from him.

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it seems that jones' job is to turn reality into a nutcase 'conspiracy theory'.

That's my conclusion as well.  I think it was Robert Heinlein who said that the most artistic way to lie is to tell the truth, maybe even the whole truth, so unconvincingly that everyone is sure you're lying. Whenever I catch Alex Jones "telling the truth" it turns out to be an exercise in the said art form. A professionally fabricated quasi-religiuos Conspiracy Belief System has displaced the FAR more sane and respectable homegrown Conspiracy Theory market it emulates, with our little droogie Alex leading the way. Alex and his ilk work hard to persuade /most/ of the public that dissident opinions and information contradicting corporate a.k.a. 'mainstream' propaganda narratives are insane opinions based on ignorant lies.  Those who do buy into the narrative become de facto sock puppets who can be counted on to catapult the propaganda via social media networks, and to smear the stinking shit-stain of "lunatick beliefs" all over any dissident social or political activity their Dear Leader directs them to participate in.

What's really going on is that indeed the oligarchy wants to become 'immortal' and possibly get rid of 90.99999% of the human race. But if that very real possibility is discussed by a nutcase like jones babbling about 'aliens' and 'pedophiles' and '12 dimensions' 'interdimensional stuff' etc then the very real threat of a world government with the ability to track all the microchiped, tax cattle in realtime becomes the 'stuff' that ignorant morons who watch alex jones believe.

in short,  motherfucking retard alex jones is just  controlled opposition.

Mostly I think our ruling class just wants to finish looting everyone else's assets.  I don't think that the most destructive aspects of this process represent a plan to exterminate the human species, but rather, a consequence of the ignorance, greed, and perverse incentives inherent in corporate capitalism. An equal and in some respects opposite species of propaganda narrative targets the ruling class and its more senior servants assets, with the message that Super Science can and will solve /any/ material problem at any scale, laws of physics be damned, as soon as it becomes necessary to do so.  I have known some "smart" people who earnestly believe this nonsense, while dismissing the somewhat /less/ ignorant and irrational beliefs fabricated for consumption by the more ignorant among the peasantry. :o/ ----------- See the screenshot. Google Algorithms LUVs them an Alex Jones Rr

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 11:20:38PM -0300, Juan wrote:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 15:22:48 -0700 g2s wrote:

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See the screenshot. Google Algorithms LUVs them an Alex Jones

so google promoting alex jones should give another hint as to whose agenda jones is actually serving.

Interesting. Sure looking like controlled opposition - who has worn out his usefulness to the cabal. A 2004 CIA-murdered "conspiracy theorist" from Russia (he gave lectures to educate Russians all over Russia for some years) - thought provoking for all of us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfYy29t44E The link between Putin and Illuminati - 'Secret World Governance' lecture

From here: https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/03/the-link-between-putin-and-illuminati-secr...

Putin turned out to be not quite the patsy Yeltsin handed over.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 18:04:24 -0400 Steve Kinney wrote:

Mostly I think our ruling class just wants to finish looting everyone else's assets. I don't think that the most destructive aspects of this process represent a plan to exterminate the human species, but rather, a consequence of the ignorance, greed, and perverse incentives inherent in corporate capitalism.

Indeed. I don't think that getting rid of the serfs is an explicit objective, but rather something that might happen as an 'unintented consequence'. I'd assume the 'elites' see their tax cattle as a necessary evil of sorts. We need tax cattle in order to collect taxes. But, if we can get material resources using mostly (or only) machines, then the tax cattle becomes superfluous or even a liability.

An equal and in some respects opposite species of propaganda narrative targets the ruling class and its more senior servants assets, with the message that Super Science can and will solve /any/ material problem at any scale, laws of physics be damned, as soon as it becomes necessary to do so.

I think a more accurate variation on that theme is that 'super science' or technical means can solve many problems related to tax cattle management, aka 'government' aka 'fighting evil terrists'. The optimist (misguided) view is something along the lines of "technology can't ultimately be regulated and it empowers ordinary people" but reality is rather the opposite. As technical means become more sophisticated they end up being controlled by less and less people. And technical means amplify power imbalances. A guy with a machine gun can kill hundreds, or thousands. A guy with a nuke can kill millions, etc.

I have known some "smart" people who earnestly believe this nonsense, while dismissing the somewhat /less/ ignorant and irrational beliefs fabricated for consumption by the more ignorant among the peasantry.

:o/