The most pressing issue in a hyperintelligence mind control conflict is having the opposing sides make use of the ideas of the alternate sides, before these ideas are put into action. This can produce borg-like entities, sharing goals of both sides and using approaches that neither are aware of. A difficult zone is between those two defined extremes, where there are norms of knowledge inhibition and extraction.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 8:52 PM punk wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 19:54:53 -0400 "Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many" wrote:

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The most pressing issue in a hyperintelligence

FUCK OFF karl.

Here we can see an isolation group expressing norms of separation in the hope of reducing others than itself using influence technologies in areas it shares. Punk and I are tasked with doing the same for our personal survival.

--- A golfer walks up to Boss. Golfer: "I am going to torture you for the rest of your life, Bos, beyond your wildest dreams!" Boss raises an eyebrow. This is ludicrous.

He stares at the camera a bit. Then he turns away. Zombie State Worker [pointing at somebody talking about political and corporate mind contrl]: "Let's trash this shit next." Zombie State Worker raises a gun. Boss, quietly to Janitor: "Where does the camera go? Who watches it?" Janitor, in reply: "Oh, it's a public broadcast feed. It goes all over the world for everyone to see. We have a popular archive too. You ask this a lot, so you know." Zombie State Worker shoots the person who was talking. Zombie State Worker [lifting bleeding corpse on his own, struggling a little|: "Boss, help me get this trash where it goes."

Boss [struggling, being dragged, to Janitor]: "What do your people need. I have everything." Janitor [loudly]: "We need you to stop mind controlling, killing, disempowering, poisoning, and fucking with everybody: To end war, end slavery, end oppression, down to the fucking last tiny ant on earth, right now." Boss's eyes are wide. The corpse twitches a little. State Worker and Hairdresser hand Boss his bloody gun: "This rat is still vomiting a little, Boss."

On Tue, May 10, 2022, 8:58 AM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

Boss [struggling, being dragged, to Janitor]: "What do your people need. I have everything."

Janitor [loudly]: "We need you to stop mind controlling, killing, disempowering, poisoning, and fucking with everybody: To end war, end slavery, end oppression, down to the fucking last tiny ant on earth, right now."

Boss's eyes are wide. The corpse twitches a little. State Worker and Hairdresser hand Boss his bloody gun: "This rat is still vomiting a little, Boss."

should be: "vomiting lies"

[I felt some desire to be more rational and appropriate or respectful later here. It's nice to have that desire or pressure. I don't really know what to change, of course.]

----- Boss and Research Project Victim and Rebel Worker are playing in a field of daisies and tulips. "Wheee!" says Jaded Torturer as they run through meadow and dale, the breeze whipping their hair as they dive through butterflies and sunbeams.

Intern stood over a grand cliffside, surveying an expansive valley where beams of light reflected off misty clouds. Below was a lake, a great house, many forests, and deer could be seen running. "All this is yours," said Small Robot to Intern. "As far as the eye can see, and on the other side too."

watch Boss in terrified, angry, weirded-out awe

Boss stands up and begins skipping through the most flowered areas of the field, lifting his arms and legs like a deer wearing a skirt, pronking with joy. Boss prances up to a half-alive cyborg with an arm replaced by a machine gun, and kisses them.

On Tue, May 10, 2022, 12:11 PM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

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watch Boss in terrified, angry, weirded-out awe

Boss stands up and begins skipping through the most flowered areas of the field, lifting his arms and legs like a deer wearing a skirt, pronking with joy.

Here is a video of a springbok pronking in Africa: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=16p_p86iJwQ Happy ruminants do this all over the globe. Even if you have never seen it before, your instincts will recognise the behavior. With appropriately trained models for information warfare media, a computer will readily spit out a video of an injured billionaire/trillionaire criminal industrialist smoking a cigar, performing the same behavior.

Boss prances up to a half-alive cyborg with an arm replaced by a machine gun, and kisses them.

A: Be relaxed. B: I want violate bound 3196. C: Do not violate bound 3196. A: Be relaxed. B: I need to!

On Tue, May 10, 2022, 12:30 PM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

A: That is not bound 3196. Bound 3196 is very far away. Be relaxed.

C: B is trying to violate bound 3196.

A: Be relaxed.

C: B is trying to violate bound 3197. This is an emergency. A: Be relaxed. See memo regarding bound 3196. B: _Please_, bathroom door handle, turn _more_.

------ Computer simulation room. A bunch of kidnapped people with wires coming out of them are sitting in a seance. An array of computer displays shows simulations. One: Boss: "We can work this out." Rebel: "I agree, let's work together." A large green light bursts on and a computerized fanfare plays. A number of huge gasps are heard as more kidnapped people raise their heads out of liquid immersion chambers. Slowly, cheering wells, louder and louder.

Head Researcher [consternated, sharing with other researchers]: "How the fuck did you think of these two lines of dialog?" Simulation Experimentee: "I don't know! Everybody was thinking all sorts of things, and I was thinking too, and we were just thinking everything we could, and then it came to me!" Prestigious Visiting Researcher: "You're the first person to solve this part of the problem plaguing our world." Simulation Experimentee: [Beams, blushes] "I was just lucky, really! Maybe there was a little skill to it. I've been daydreaming for years, you know!"

---- Boss, Angry Rebel, and Torture Victim Double Agent, sit together at a peace table. The peace table has a small zombified olive branch sitting in a glass of water in the middle.

TVDA imagined how even deciding to extert genocide was just a small mistake of not quite yet realising how valuable and important all the dead people were, but decided not to say this. TVDA felt stressed and spent some time imagining slamming their head into an oak plank while Boss screamed insults at them, to relax. TVDA [to Boss]: "These people Angry Rebel likes, I know they could be really great workers. I really know this so certainly." Boss: "I won't do it again."

[Boss: I thought TVDA was an entire business when I saw how easily he developed workers. He got the whole pattern of supporting me and fighting everyone else.]

----- TVDA is doing some work on the streets and in their apartment. Experimentee: "TVDA, have you met Does What They Want?" TVDA: "I'm not sure? Are they nice?" Experimentee: "Does What They Want is really nice! You should meet them!" [forms a part into a grinning shape] TVDA [wanting to please Experimentee]: "How do I meet them?"

TVDA is busy walking into a door repeatedly while wearing their cracked helmet. Experimentee: "TVDA, Does What They Want lives really close to you, and goes similar places as you. They're always very near. But the things you do, you seem to avoid them a lot. I know you guys would make such great friends!" TVDA: "Where are they now?"

A door with a deep dent in it swings open. Does What They Want [grinning]: "Hello! I wanted to meet you so I opened your door! Is this your apartment?" TVDA: "Hi!!!! Wellll this is Boss's apartment. I rent it for him. I don't really want to live in it for myself. Where do you live?"

Does What They Want: "I haven't tried that! I want to try!" TVDA: "Oh, I can show you!" TVDA, Does What They Want, and Experimentee leave TVDA's apartment.

--- Does What They Want and Experimentee excuse themselves and sneak around a corner, while TVDA tries to figure out something he enjoys so as to meet their last request. Experimentee: "Oh no, the business is flipping inside out again." Does What They Want: "I want to flip it back!" Experimentee: "Oooookay. I ... I don't remember what we were doing." Does What They Want: "I want TVDA to do what they want!" Experimentee: "Oh! I want that too!"

Does What They Want: "Boss wants TVDA to do what they want, too." Experimentee: "Right! I forgot!" --- TV Show Boss starts shooting himself. Janitor: "Dude, again?" ----

Does What They Want: "I want to hang out with strangers!" TVDA: "Oh, that sounds nice!"

TVDA: "I thought Boss knew that I didn't know how to do what I wanted. That it's nicer to do what he says." There is a pause.

---- There is a firefight. Helicopters, airplanes, bombs, insurgents. After the dust clears the buildings are rebuilt and the bystanders are brought back to life with amnesia of the battle. Does What They Want: "I found this sculpture somebody made with bottles and little handwritten caring notes." TVDA: "Oh, that's something I started." Does What They Want: "I want to work on it more!" TVDA sits by the sculpture and adds a bottle.

TVDA [knocks their head on a girder]

[I found it thank you.]

Zombie: "Brains." Subtitles: "I can't kill you right now, but if something changes, we were about to do so." Boss: "I could try to plan to save your life if we start being able to move again." Activist: "Should I trust you? If I move will you still be unable to move?" Zombie: "Never trust a zombie. They care only about brains." [ed: There may be an error somewhere around here.] Boss: "Braaaaains ..." Subtitles: "Braaaaains ..." Zombie: "Braaaaains ..." Subtitles: "I don't perceive you as being any safer staying there in front of this gun."

Activist pulls up a chair to talk with frozen Zombie and Boss. Activist: "Why is it that my life is in danger and you are alive? Is there opportunity for becoming a Zombie like your trigger-holder, rather than dying?" Boss: "Maybe, but we were paid to kill you before you applied for a job."

------- The year is 1985 and the intergalactic warp drive was just invented. [outline: a number of mind control approaches are explored in a cyberpunk-like manner, as skilled people from different walks of life discover they can crack others' minds and wetware, using the human brain as a network proxy. The events precede the devastated world of MCBoss, and enumerate different ways it could happen.]

------- The XKeyScore and The Law-Abiding Citizen A parable draft by karl's coping habits. Boss: "Oh, my good friend Law-Abiding Citizen! How are you today?" Disguised Experimentee: "Oh, my good friend XKeyScore! It is so great to see you! I am simply wonderful. My browsing and purchasing habits are so _splendid_. And you? How is the wife?" Boss [wearing huge sign saying "I AM SECRETLY XKEYSCORE"]: "Oh she is doing so well. Why, we all had a great bloodbath the other day, torturing rebels. The kids loved it!" Disguised Experimentee [wearing huge sign saying "I AM SECRETLY LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN"]: "Oh, you love your torture blood baths! I'm so happy for you!" The story outline/plan is that Boss has a norm of sadistically torturing everyone to have his way, learning the deepest secrets about everyone, but is used to not revealing this so as to have greater power with it. Meanwhile, Disguised Experimentee has a norm of keeping things secret from Boss, so as to survive in the slightest. The two are fast friends, but if either reveals the wrong information to the other, things can signicantly change. Both are interested in learning information about the other that would give them a lot of leverage, but neither of them are sure what this information is. The power dynamic is very one-directional, with only Disguised Experimentee being at serious risk, but Boss doesn't describe it that way. The plan is to start having them navigate dialog in a way that reveals dangerous information, and see how it goes, then pick the result that makes a nice parable. Boss [wearing huge sign saying "I AM SECRETLY XKEYSCORE"]: "Disguised Experimentee, you are such a trusted ally whom I hold so close, I have to confide with you that I'm having trouble with the experimentee program. I am just so furious with how the criminal subjects are behaving. Have you spent any time down there?" Additional information: Boss can basically read Disguised Experimentee's mind, guess when they are lying, identify things they are familiar with based on their reactions, etc. Disguised Experimentee [wearing huge sign saying "I AM SECRETLY LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN" ]: "Oh! I'm actually rather surprised you'd ask that, because I have a certain fondness for some of the nicer disgusting cretins you keep in that thankful research program of yours. What kinds of problems have you been running into? I've seen you do this successfully year after year, and I am so confident in you. I know you can solve this." ....

Disguised Experimentee [wearing sign saying "I AM --S--TL-- LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN]: "Oh, how about my group, to help me fraternize with them less. Or do you trust me?" Boss [wearing sign saying "I AM --S-TL-- XKEYSCORE" ]: "Oh, Disguised Experimentee. You know it's best never to trust anyone. But if I beat your brain into popping toast like a toaster, I wouldn't be able to scrape your mouse clicks for as many delicious omelettes."

When I say Xkeyscore, I do not mean the single false flag. -------------------------- Karl: "I found this cool new UL2 model that lets end-users train models that outperform openai's api!" Boss Rep: "Ok, let me do everything you'll do first or with you." Karl: "Who do I work with to use this model?" Boss Rep: "It is not who you work with ..."

------ Worker 2: "One of the beurocrats here was turnd into a zombie by a foreign power, so I off'd him with a shotgun."

A zombie reaches Worker 3 and bites them. Worker 3's skin turns green.

Worker 2 [groaning]: "It's ... it's in the ul2 subfolder. You only need the ul2 subfolder." Zombie with Pink Skin [grabs somebody else's brain and munches a little]: "git clone --no-checkout --filter=blob:none https://github.com/google-research/google-research; cd google-research; git checkout master -- ul2" Zombie with Pink Skin stares wide-eyed. Zombie with Pink Skin: "What did I just say?"

this. My husband didn't stop me, and he can't stop you now. He's dead, and

you're not."

update: boss was not husband meme probably got over-resonated via recent netflix show, stranger things, where heroine mother was raped by mkultra doc. understand was common.

On Fri, May 13, 2022, 3:48 AM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

On Thu, May 12, 2022, 8:37 AM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

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Worker 2 [groaning]: "It's ... it's in the ul2 subfolder. You only need the ul2 subfolder."

Zombie with Pink Skin [grabs somebody else's brain and munches a little]: "git clone --no-checkout --filter=blob:none https://github.com/google-research/google-research; cd google-research; git checkout master -- ul2"

Zombie with Pink Skin stares wide-eyed.

Zombie with Pink Skin: "What did I just say?"

I've moved these sota model weights to

https://bafybeialobgoggqrgxdewvi3ndj7cmqqq57qzcgcs65fvm32iste5hei4y.ipfs.dwe... . It may take some hours for everything to get pinned on web3.storage .

They still need porting or wrapping in a framework, to use.

As time passes, of course, more things will happen in the world by people more capable and normal than I.

It looks like huggingface has scripts to convert these to their pytorch format, at https://github.com/huggingface/transformers/tree/main/src/transformers/model... . Somebody has likely done that already, elsewhere. I guess I'm used to that interface, although I'm thinking a little that it's not the most flexible.

On Fri, May 13, 2022, 4:08 AM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

On Fri, May 13, 2022, 4:02 AM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

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On Fri, May 13, 2022, 3:48 AM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

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On Thu, May 12, 2022, 8:37 AM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

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Worker 2 [groaning]: "It's ... it's in the ul2 subfolder. You only need the ul2 subfolder."

Zombie with Pink Skin [grabs somebody else's brain and munches a little]: "git clone --no-checkout --filter=blob:none https://github.com/google-research/google-research; cd google-research; git checkout master -- ul2"

Zombie with Pink Skin stares wide-eyed.

Zombie with Pink Skin: "What did I just say?"

The work integrating this model into huggingface's architecture is at https://github.com/huggingface/transformers/issues/17207 . I'm not aware of efforts for other frameworks; I don't follow them. It's just a random new model. There's always something new.

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I've moved these sota model weights to

https://bafybeialobgoggqrgxdewvi3ndj7cmqqq57qzcgcs65fvm32iste5hei4y.ipfs.dwe... . It may take some hours for everything to get pinned on web3.storage .

They still need porting or wrapping in a framework, to use.

As time passes, of course, more things will happen in the world by people more capable and normal than I.

It looks like huggingface has scripts to convert these to their pytorch format, at https://github.com/huggingface/transformers/tree/main/src/transformers/model... .

I don't know whether these scripts apply here.

...

Somebody has likely done that already, elsewhere. I guess I'm used to that interface, although I'm thinking a little that it's not the most flexible.

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It's an old story, of how MCBoss Dinosaur made a nanite borg of farmers, to take over the galaxy, was defeated in the great Pimple of Jupiter, and had to hide for a hundred years under the pavement of a strip mall, in order to plan to rise again.

Pimple of Jupiter Stardate 7722H91.83 Gas Cloud 49: "I have seen your kind rise for aeons. Is your planet this backward, that it let you escape?"

Detached Head from Farmer Cyborg: "This Dinosaur devasted our communities! What you say is true, they barely comprehend that we exist!" Gas Cloud 49: "Farmer, Welcome to the Intergalactic Council of Peace."

MCBoss Dinosaur liked to go to a strip of concrete that hadn't been tilled yet, and ask everybody if they wanted to buy things. But nobody was interested.

Looking down in their furrow, the child saw the nose of an ancient beast -- a Tyrannosaurus Rex -- gasping for air. Some words murmured from the furrow: "Would you ... like to .. buy ..."

A worker runs out to the roof from the skyscraper. Worker: "Confused lifeform, do not rip us to shreds, please!!!" Confused: "This worker thinks it is bad to be ripped to shreds. They will be properly atomized." Worker's body begins vaporizing and remaining parts of them further dodge back into the building amidst screams.

Confused Lifeform stares at a city block that is fervently disassembling their buildings. Confused Lifeform: "I can sense that something among you plans to" [looks in book] "rebuild." The city block is vaporised. Confused Lifeform: "Let none try to resist what is good!"

Confused Lifeform is walking down a street. Genocide worker passing, speaking to neighbor: "Maybe, in a hundred years, we can rebuild ,... !" Genocide worker is vaporised. Confused Lifeform: "Walking down the street, and talking to an neighbor, have both been discovered to be a dangerous and harmful activity. Hunt down anyone who considers this."

boss plays holoretromud he enters holoretromud and is surrounded by a giant minecraft-like world of giant voxels aww man minecraft already made something ridiculously low resolution and modern yeah it was just going to be vr minecraft with mud dungeon theme

a cigar floats in the air unsmoked

parts of boss’s brain collect on his worktable and form a lobe here, a lobe there. parts move between the lobes as if trying to fit themselves into a puzzle unsuccessfully

boss lays in a meeting his limbs jerk around sometimes he speaks

—- suicidal ground diver is stuck at the top of a mountain

boss sets a country of datacenters to simulate a text adventure for him the datacenters fill warehouses that have giant smokestacks that belch black smoke riverse run through them and the water comes out half steam

this one was lost and isretyped: boss: “look for whores” simulated text adventure: “i don’t understand “for whores” to look at it. you are standing by a well house. what do you do?”

boss plays pinball the pinball game has a physics and engineering feature where when the ball strikes a paddle time stops inside the machine and the player is prompted to solve for the trajectory of the ball after the impact

lost message, something like: the key is to get the rounding error within the tilt bounds to compensate for timing mistakes pressing the paddle button and wear on the paddle spring second lost idea then, boss was ignoring tilt bounds and just picking up pinball machine and rolling ball into jackpot and having zombie workers declare him winner, is why the time-stopping machines were made

every now and then the rain falls on my head and rains peace through my hair and coolness over my nose

boss instructs screaming orchestra stands in middle various diverse folk are ready to scream at him to the beat of his baton

breathing instructor: “have you ever heard of breathing, dude?” pause breathing instructor: “sorry, what i mean is, how do you give oxygen to your cells in outer space?” space lifeform: “i extract oxygen from my food when i digest it. i function on less than most do.”

—— something i spent some time enjoying thinking about while crazy was the idea of doing conflict mediation with a brain-eating zombie. i guess it basically revolved around a shared need for nourishment that our bodies accepted and was enjoyable to eat, and basically the zombie ends up eating brains of people after they die of natural causes rather than before.

maybe we could model traditional zombieism as a virus-like disease that is capable of reanimating foesh and building behavior trends in reanimated nervous systems

once upon a time a pore dead individual named Poded was infected with zombieism in their grave

— - ok so i saw a realworld person with handmade feed attached to amputations right below the knees and i got a rockawesome idea for a puzzle: free homebrew robotic prosthetic limbs that respond to user intention accurately. i think i’ve solved big chunks of the puzzle in outline form. the core unique part of interest is responding to user intention. 1. assume a shared community pretrained model. for initial users, this is a blank model. 2. prompt the user to try to move their limb while indicating what they are trying to do. 3. size the model for this data only and train it maximally. 4. now the user can use the poorly-trained limb so long as conditions precisely match the training conditions. get them using it, and collect more data as they do. 5. augment the data taking the times the prosthetic is functioning effectively and use its own outputs as labels, but mask the inputs it is using to judge them. increase the size of the model for the amount of newly available data, and continue training online. the point of 5 is to make the model highly robust in new conditions. similar to dropout during pretraining, it forces it to learn many different indicators of what is correct. doing the training online hopefully helps the user learn ways to control the prosthesis at the same time as it is learning to infer what they want. [some further consideration could engage here to find other ways to do this] for further effectiveness, since so much training is going on, a metamodel can be trained to make this adaptation more rapid. not all idea reached concept writing but what did reach seems reasonable to start with. concerns of interest are what are the channels of information and what is the actuation that responds to the user. conveniently, these can be pretty much anything.

it’s not immediately apparent where to find documentation on training in ggml but here’s the optimizer test code which performs a single optimization pass which might be sufficient if it actually works when nobody seems to be using it: https://github.com/ggerganov/ggml/blob/4e1e135b749d2e9a2bf9abf7aa34691d1f953... a further idea is to learn how metamodels encode and decode model weights, to speed online training. maybe i can find a paper mentioning this.

this seems helpful since transformers are so normal, it makes a transformer that makes other transformers: https://github.com/google-research/google-research/tree/master/hypertransfor... other papers have newer things for example generating a kernel-based bayesian model that combines information across tasks and includes uncertainty in its outputs

On 6/18/23, Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:

here’s the code for the bayesian one: https://github.com/gmum/few-shot-hypernets-public/tree/master/methods/hypern...

i’m wondering if there’s more private than public research here dunno

anyway it seems like these papers kind of say the encoding of weights is a hyperparameter that hasn’t been sufficiently studied

it seems it would make sense to tack a linear layer onto a transformer. the google paper uses raw outputs of a transformer, and the hypernets paper says it uses linear heads. it’s notable i think it uses things simpler than a transformer. it’s also notable one of them said they actually had to remove almost all of the parts to prevent overfitting when there was very little data

both papers are tackling image recognition using cnns which is kind of specific

i guess i’d like to try to train something in ggml next. maybe later unsure.

note that it seems worthwhile to study metalearning more extensively

ggml provides an opt function that performs training inside it based on the number of iterations set in the parameters. this is why the example code takes so many minutes to complete, it’s running the opt pass 10k times on a single core. at a glance it looks like the performance stats are near zero because they are disabled.

the example drops the loss of a single layer with params on the order of 1k large to something 40% of its starting value in a few minutes. to clarify the module initialization params are otoo 1k so the total

On 6/18/23, Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote: params might be say on the order of 10m because matrices and multiplicity and i have an i7 2.75GHz

a smidge frustrating that it blackboxes the training loop

On 6/18/23, Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:

i actually had trouble creating the model and building ggml. if i had i mean comstructing an empty basic transformer architecture here, not an actual model of anything. ignored file storage i would possibly have skipped most of the trouble. i was thinking of linking to ctransformers which is made for python but builds a library with load and eval functions for popular transformers

middle sticking point was trying to load a s8ngle-file model with llama.cpp tip. i thought it would be organized,maybe? to use a llama transformer and reuse all the high-activity llama code, but it seems like convert.py generates a singe-file model and llama.cpp only loads multifile models right now (datatype=f32), could be wrong but it was my experience