On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 02:32:34PM -0400, Karl wrote:

Here the article says the person who, below, is quoted as having worked continuously on inclusion, "tried to create a schism", while to me it seems obvious they were struggling to do the opposite.

Hey Karl, do you see the fundamental division being created by those deep behind the BLM movement, that it is actually an anti-White movement? If you can acknowledge that there really are two sides to the movement, and certain specific problems within the movement, then there would be scope for discussion. A recent book published is a classic example which highlights certain of these problems, just like the "cop watch" thing, most efforts by the naieve, tend strongly to create the very schism they proclaim to oppose [links in original]: Universities Across America Want Students To Read This Book. We Did It For You... Maria Copeland via CampusReform.org, https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=15249 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/universities-across-america-want-student... Amid a nationwide call for anti-racist education, White Fragilityby Robin DiAngelo has gained massive popularity and university endorsement. The book, which shot to the top of best-seller lists following the death of George Floyd and subsequent widespread movements, has been highlighted on recommended reading lists by universities nationwide, including Ivy League schools such as Cornell, Harvard, and Yale. Campus Reform decided to find out why. The angle that sets this book apart from similar texts is likely its development of “white fragility” as the catalyst of all racial conflict. White fragility, according to DiAngelo, is a phenomenon that occurs when people of color confront white people on race-related issues. Categorically, white people will react with “a range of defensive responses,” which include “emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and withdrawal from the stress-inducing situation” and which “work to reinstate white equilibrium as they repel the challenge, return our racial comfort, and maintain our dominance within the racial hierarchy.” This behavior, DiAngelo clarifies, “is born of superiority and entitlement. White fragility is not weakness per se. In fact, it is a powerful means of white racial control and the protection of white advantage.” Essentially, she argues that white people’s distaste for racial confrontation is responsible for perpetuating white supremacy. Additionally, DiAngelo recognizes that white people do not like to be classified at large under a broad category, and she predicts throughout the text that white readers will reject her arguments because of this sensitivity, which is a tendency that they must simply learn to overcome. DiAngelo makes the case that “racism is deeply embedded in the fabric of our society,” saying that all racist acts stem from institutional racism. This means that “only whites can be racist” because “in the United States, only whites have the collective social and institutional power and privilege over people of color.” She acknowledges the occurrence of individual racist acts, but says such actions are “part of a larger system of interlocking dynamics.” Consequently, according to her standards, racism is a behavior unique to white people that cannot be demonstrated by people of color. Not only have all white people demonstrated racism, DiAngelo says, but they are doomed to do so indefinitely. She suggests that there is no way for white people to grow up without being racist, because white parents cannot raise their children in such a way that they do not benefit from and perpetuate racism in America. Not only that, but white parents cannot teach their children not to be racially prejudiced, and if they train their children not to express racism verbally, they are only teaching censorship. Further, she suggests, race always influences a situation, so there is nothing coincidental about the color of someone’s skin and any conflict in which they are involved: “On some level, race is always at play, even in its supposed absence.” Another concept DiAngelo redefines is that of white supremacy. “White supremacy describes the culture we live in, a culture that positions white people and all that is associated with them (whiteness) as ideal. White supremacy is more than the idea that whites are superior to people of color; it is the deeper premise that supports this idea—the definition of whites as the norm or standard for human, and people of color as a deviation from that norm.” Under this description -- which neglects to acknowledge the impact of its traditional connotations, such as ties to the KKK -- all white behavior can be categorized as not only racist but also as white supremacist. No one likes to be broadly categorized, but the author anticipates that and understands such behavior to be yet another manifestation of white fragility. DiAngelo asserts that black women were unable to vote until 1964, explains that “there was no concept of race before the need to justify the enslavement of Africans,” and ultimately descends into reflecting on the nature of white and black identity. “White is a false identity, an identity of false superiority. In that sense, whiteness isn’t real. The dream is the 'perfect world,' unpolluted by blacks. If whites are to construct this world, blacks must be separated through state violence. Yet they still must exist, for the existence of blacks provides the needed other against which whites may rise. Thus, white identity depends in particular on the projection of inferiority onto blacks and the oppression this inferior status justifies for the white collective.” The book’s primary points, distilled: - White people must acknowledge the grim consequences of their actions, although they are far too frail to do so - White people are responsible to repair a system in which racism runs rampant, although nothing they can do will ever be enough - White guilt is unhelpful because it does not advance any real change, although white people must reflect seriously on the extent of what they have done - White people should be appalled at what they have brought about, although 'white women’s tears' only exacerbate the situation and reinforce white privilege You're Welcome, America!

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 11:38:06 AM PDT, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On 7/21/20 19:46, this fell into my inbox:> Oh yeah, the BLM awareness raising campaign is starting to bear fruit, grape drank fruit to be precise :D> > I ain't sure Red Bull does grape drank, but it looks like it on day agenda now muffaduckas ;)[etc]

Welp, looks like Coca-Cola Energy it is for now, if I should be in the mood. Though I'm trying to cut the sugar/carbs and caffeine as much as circumstances allow, anyway...

Jim Bell's comments:I discovered Coke Zero a few years ago.  It's a reasonably good copy of Coke.  I had to change, I was diagnosed as Type 2 diabetic 18 years ago.   I remember when they announced "New Coke" in 1985.  Alone, that wasn't a threat.  The threat was that they were intending to CANCEL old-Coke.  I seriously considered renting a storage unit and buying a lifetime supply of old-Coke.  Never actually did that, because I couldn't imagine how they could be so flaming STUPID as to force everyone onto a newer (and worse) product.  Turns out I was right.But I also discovered, within the last few years, that cans of pop are NOT hermetically-sealed:  They WILL lose their carbonation after a couple years, at least some of them.             Jim Bell

On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:41:49 +0000 (UTC) jim bell wrote:

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 11:38:06 AM PDT, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

Welp, looks like Coca-Cola Energy it is for now,

Jim Bell's comments:I discovered Coke Zero a few years ago. 

wow - just wow...

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Welp, looks like Coca-Cola Energy it is for now,

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Jim Bell's comments:I discovered Coke Zero a few years ago. 

   > wow - just wow...

Uh, why "wow"?

"coca-cola, sometimes war" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM