Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords off yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list. On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 07:51:02PM -0700, Razer wrote: ...

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"I'm talking to my lawyers, and that's about all I can do right now,"

This is one of the major problems most folks face - they feel legally disempowered (and in terms of lack of legal education, they in fact are disempowered), and SECONDLY, they literally trust the first lawyer they speak to for assistance/help in the problem.

If your lawyer is one of (((them))) and actually directly opposed to you, then they will, literally legally fuck you over.

How this undermine is done, is very simple:

When your court case gets going, it gets going in a lower court.

Eventually, it might reach the highest courts.

When you head towards appeal into those higher courts, your lawyer (or if you've got more money she can drain from you) a barrister he subcontracts out to ("we need a specialist, gonna co$t lot$ of $"), will do precisely the following:

Phrase the question of law, or legal question to be put before the higher court, in a way which is guaranteed to cause that higher court to rule against you.

The art of lyering is to phrase such legal questions in a way which makes the client (that's you, the fat pidgeon) believe that the question is the appropriate question, whilst knowing that the said phrasing is actually arse up to what is needed if you are to have any hope of getting an actual win.

And then, even if you do get a question phrased in the right way, you may need significant community support behind you in order to convince the courts to go against the prevailing system/ government/ military funded Tor network, etc.

Stay awake folks, and be-aware/ beware of lyers in White Knight clothing.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Abhayraj Naik wrote:

Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords off yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list.

As a studied and professional lawyer and consultant, instead of the above drivel, why not lend your thoughts to various subjects of this list in your free time. Say on privacy relating Indian street vendors utilizing Bitcoin... "court / law" reformations they might seek, empowerment, "practice", free state, crypto, etc...

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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This is one of the major problems most folks face - they feel legally disempowered (and in terms of lack of legal education, they in fact are disempowered)

On 08/30/2017 10:18 AM, grarpamp wrote:

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Abhayraj Naik wrote:

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Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords off yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list. As a studied and professional lawyer and consultant, instead of the above drivel,why not lend your thoughts to various subjects of this list in your free time.

WTF is wrong with lurking, and playing peanut gallery, critiquing the mixed bag of nuts onstage? Rr

Say on privacy relating Indian street vendors utilizing Bitcoin... "court / law" reformations they might seek, empowerment, "practice", free state, crypto, etc...

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On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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This is one of the major problems most folks face - they feel legally disempowered (and in terms of lack of legal education, they in fact are disempowered)

On Aug 30, 2017 2:19 PM, "grarpamp" wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Abhayraj Naik wrote:

Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords off yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list.

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As a studied and professional lawyer and consultant, instead of the above drivel, why not lend your thoughts to various subjects of this list in your free time.

Dear Abhayraj, Please, don't feel annoyed about grarpamp's words. He just wants to make much better, higher the level of this list, make it more rational and constructive. More Abhayraj, less ZeNazi, do you understand? :D But, yep, Razer is correct about lurking. It's your right, whether you really want it. Lurking is pretty comfortable and you can eat popcorn and peanuts while reading all the dramatic messages here, hihi... Better than soap opera in the best moments! :) I am late in zillions of lists and need to thank a lot for dozens of heartwarming private messages, but cypherpunks is the only list where I can mention exotic subjects like Buddhist and Marijuana crypto coins, hahaha!! ;D It makes me feel comfortable here and there are people on this list that I love more than ice-cream. You will learn to appreciate a lot some of the members too. All of them have their stories, backgrounds, conspiracy theories, and studies. Garbage fire people like ZeNazi are the exception here, not the rule. Most of the people here are really nice, I swear! :D Hugs, take care! Ceci