In this case Mongo and Vinay Gupta. Mongo's fork-in-the-road thesis from the 90's . . . " . . . If anonymity is outlawed, it will take draconian measures to enforce it–citizen-unit ID cards, officially issued encryption keys, escrow, monitoring of communications, massive penalties to deter illegal use of encryption, and other police state measures. On the other hand, if enough degrees of freedom are left untouched, the result is a growing, expanding crypto anarchy. Government will find itself powerless to control commerce (handled via encrypted channels), will find it doesn’t know the True Names of various Net entities, and will end up being chased into an enclave of things it can control. . . . " He reiterated this just before he died in 2018 as ' the dossier society ' dystopia Vs his usual Galts Gulch garbage. " Natural Rights anarchy ". And here is Gupta from 2015 . . . " . . . Gupta gave his view on why the cypherpunk movement succeeded in creating many tools for more secure and private computing, but failed in achieving broad adoption and societal change . . . " https://buttdarling.insanejournal.com/2015/11/16/ Contra these two losers my assessment by 2011 was we had enough adoption and change to declare victory. And we have only gotten much stronger since then while the powers-that-be have all gotten weaker. My thesis is the net has globalized since 2005 ( its non anglo-centric in other words ) and could take on and defeat all the earthly powers COMBINED since 2010. I can't account for any black swan event happening between now and the predicted singularity due between 2030 - 2040. But that's my considered opinion based on the best evidence available to me. And why I've been demanding a formal surrender of the USG to the anarchic net every year for the last 12 years. All they have to do is free ALL drug war prisoners ( state and federal ) then bring back the 2003 PAM FutureMaps prediction mart that may then handle its defeat in detail. The rest of the world seeing the worlds most powerful state get chased into an enclave should draw the appropriate conclusion. Surrender early - surrender often - surrender abjectly while begging for mercy. There will then follow two Friedman Units where we will settle all outstanding accounts with local bullies and bad gentry. With your help all this might be accomplished by CYPHERPUNK 2027 and we may then bring on the singularity early. Please don't try and hinder us though - we can already make a horrible example out of anyone. Amirite worlds richest and most powerful men? Cypherpunk traitors like Assmange, Back and so on will get everything that's coming to them. The revolution may not be televised but it will certainly be streamed live to the web. Welcome to the revolution.