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hi I'm Jeff rankie editorial director of
manufacturing.net and Manufacturing bus
technology welcome to security breach
this is usually where I dive into some
recent attacks or stats to help set up
the topic that our guest for the episode
will be covering I'm going to deviate
from this today because when it comes to
the issues surrounding Quantum Computing
and the impact on Industrial cyber
security I think it's better to Simply
get right into the conversation however
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Skip szeri and Paul fugner from ccure
skip is the company's co-founder and
Paul serves as the Director of corporate
Communications Skip and Paul thanks for
joining us today and welcome to security
breach starting right at the beginning
you know I noticed something on the
website and maybe skip you want to take
this one to start but it said we know
the quantum threat is real we know it's
preventable so kind of starting the
conversation there maybe you can kind of
talk to us a little bit about the
quantum Computing threat and why it's
such a big deal in terms of industrial
cyber
security absolutely Jeff thanks for
having us on so uh first we'll start
with a little bit of background on
Quantum Computing and uh I'll give
everybody their theoretical physics
degrees here so you're all going to get
uh certificates so quantum Computing is
a new form of compute um it's different
than the zeros and ones that we've used
so if you think about it the the way
that our computers work today that was a
human construct so humans came up with
the idea of hey let's do zeros and ones
and we have computers that work pretty
well right got got those um one of the
problems is that these computers are
running out of steam they're the
efficiencies are are sort of diminishing
and in essence the world needs a new
form of compute we need to be able to
launch to the next level because um
what's happening is they're fitting so
much on the chip sizes now that that
their electrons are interfering with
each other there's heat problems and a
myriad of issues quantum computers use
subatomic properties which are things
like superposition entanglement uh we
can do more on those later but what
there are is there ways that things work
that are that we're not used to
superposition says that things can be in
all places at the same time entanglement
means you can take a couple subatomic
particles you can separate them by a
universe and yet they'll still stay
connected and you can when you reverse
spinon One Across the Universe at an
instant not not based on the speed of
light the other one reverses spin these
properties are what Drive Quantum
Computing um Quantum Computing is in its
early stages however the promise is that
it will be very very powerful um and it
will solve key problems and the types of
problems that solves Jeff are going to
be multivariate problems so think of
things where you've got a lot of
variables to handle um things like
weather prediction uh genomics uh
Material Science protein folding uh
aeronautical design I mean when they
design an aircraft they have to account
for every single molecule that hits the
wings every single one that's a lot of
variables right so quantum computers are
great at that now one of the things that
really good at as well as they're really
good at breaking the encryption that
we're all using today so the even this
session that we're on with you is
encrypted by standard cryptography that
by the way was invented in the late 70s
and quantum computers have the
capability due to the way they process
with the subatomic versions they can
break right through that cryptography at
when they're powerful enough so our our
US government has recognized this uh
Biden signed into law in December an
initiative that said that all of our
federal agencies have to upgrade to what
they're calling post Quantum
cryptography what that is it's new
cryptography because they know that when
quantum computers get here they're going
to break what we have so this is the
problem set that exists today basically
there's a train wreck coming and
everybody knows it um it may be a few
years away but a lot of people are
starting to move now because it's going
to take a long time to upgrade and by
the way all of the cryptography in the
world that's used for public key which
is the internet all anybody who's on the
internet in the world has to upgrade the
cryptography and upgrade the devices 20
billion devices need to upgrade it's the
biggest upgrade cycle in computer
history coming so that's kind of what
we're up against here well it's
interesting I mean 20 billion devices
that's that's obviously kind of
mind-blowing and that's probably not
even taking into account really on the
indust industrial sector all the
connected Machinery on the plant floor
and how that's just going to extrapolate
with the Internet of Things hitting it
and Industry 4.0 Technologies so when we
look at the industrial sector what are
some of the unique challenges maybe
because I think Quantum Computing might
be something people are thinking about
hey I you know I saw the Avengers movies
um that's not me that doesn't apply but
obviously it does especially when we've
got this landscape this threat landscape
that continues to grow and expand so
looking specifically at the planed floor
and the industrial sectors what is a lot
of this encryption issues what does this
what does this mean to them I guess sure
I'll get a start and then Paul jump in
here as well you know when you think
about it Jeff all of those Control
Systems right when you're talking about
all the control systems that control all
the machines all of the logistic devices
um and of course just even standard
Wi-Fi and iot all of that is vulnerable
um and by the way manufacturing
Logistics no different than any other
industry because we've all standardized
on this type type of encryption and it's
been fine for our zero and one computers
we're using um you know now things get
hacked once in a while got it and it's
not good but it it it has generally
worked so far quantum computers will
change that Paul you want to add to that
yeah I thanks skip Jeff one of the
things I was thinking about when uh you
were asking that question is you what do
we do at our core rout here at Q secure
we're all about Safety and Security and
when you dial that back to a lot of the
uh manufacturing Supply chain issues
that you and your viewers are talking
about and doing in their daily jobs it
it boils down to a lot of that same
thing it's about making sure what you're
doing is in a secure safe environment
and very often in manufacturing that's
that's considered physical you know the
physical Machinery that you might be
doing uh and that's clearly very very
important it has been for you know
forever but when you look at what we're
doing uh in more of the digital realm
that security around data is is equally
important to the physical safety that
you and a lot of your viewers are
dealing with because the the fact that
we're in a digital Society now and
everyone that's born today is what they
call a digital native they're dealing
with data on such a regular basis and it
influences our jobs whether they be in
supply chain manufacturing or technology
or Finance um data is such a strong
component on making uh our our society
work and our businesses including yours
that what we do and a skip is pointed
out from the the classical to the
quantum encryption is is vitally
important so just a
a reflection on how our concepts of
Safety and Security flow over into just
about an industry including all those
that you and your viewers are are
particularly working in interesting you
know got so many questions flowing
through my brain here right now but
trying to keep them in order here a
little bit so when we look at the
industrial sector we're still trying to
catch up with a with a lot of the
attackers and a lot of how organized and
specific they can be and how good they
are getting into these OT networks we
look at things from the Quantum
perspective that feels like it's down
the road a little bit so how should
industrial cyber security Specialists
prioritize things in terms of looking at
where their networks are right now
keeping them secure but also keeping an
eye towards the future and how the
quantum element is going to fit in yeah
I mean there are a variety of reasons to
start looking at this now Jeff and and I
mean this is self-serving so I get it
but um whether it's you know our company
or any company um you need to start
looking at upgrading cryptography so let
me take a step back so we're talking
about the quantum threat um and the
quantum threat as we've discussed does
have we have some time in that sense and
I'll tell you two reasons why we need to
act now one is that um the data as Paul
was saying is one component of what can
get stolen now you can also take over
systems and control systems and that's a
whole separate issue but let's talk
about data if data gets stolen today
it's probably encrypted um but if
someone has a qu a computer they'll be
able to decrypt that data in coming
years and if that data still is valuable
if it needs 10 15 like if you think of
banking information 25 years uh military
nuclear secrets 50 years Healthcare
information 75 years of protection um
that's all going to be laid bare and
that means if you've got five 10 20 or
30 years of value left on that data and
it's decrypted well then hackers or or
nefarious can you know they can do what
they want with that data so one reason
to move now is because things that get
stolen today will be decrypted tomorrow
that could be valueable information that
could be a real problem the other issue
that has come about that all of your
viewers know about we all know about is
AI this is a mess I am scared to death
of AI you saw I don't know if you saw
just yesterday or day before all the
articles about worm GPT so now the
hackers have their own chat GPT that is
specifically labeled for hacking right
so they're going to use all of these
tools just like technology over time it
always is used for you know harm and
disruption first before it's even used
for anything good it's going to happen
with AI this is coming at us at a speed
that's amazing and guess what as I said
earlier we're still working on
cryptography that was built in the 70s
you know now we've increased key sizes
In fairness but that's been from the 70s
and so you're looking at now vectors
like AI coming in Plus data being stolen
and decrypted later against decrypt
encryption from the 70s so my point is
companies have to look at upgrading
cryptography anyway whether for Quantum
or any other reason let's get out of the
70s and let's get into the new
cryptography that nist you know our
National Institute of Standards
technology is approving they're saying
here's a new new cryptography everybody
you should start using this because we
know that it can handle uh any of the
issues that are coming uh instead of the
old cry cryptography you know a couple
follow-ups to that I think one of the
biggest issues with OT cyber security is
once the attacker gets in it's being
able to see them and kick them out that
dwell time is such a big issue because a
lot of times hackers are sitting in
there they hit somebody for a ransomware
attack then they lay low for about eight
months and then they do it again maybe
you could talk about how some of these
Quantum Computing solutions could help
Rectify that situation and sort of
improve OT cyber
visibility yeah absolutely and at the
moment most of the quantum Computing um
uh at least in the Cyber sense post
Quantum cyber is focused on securing
Communications um and and I'll tell you
why so Communications really means
anytime data moves so think of any dated
movement now that could be over the
Internet that could be via satellite uh
that could be other pointto point or um
it could be even on an internal system
between servers uh you know on on some
some infrastructure network but but
either way it's it's we're focused
largely on data that's moving um and
securing the communication channels so
when those because those are the things
that are open like this channel we're on
now is open somebody could grab this
data now they may not be able to Crypt
it but they got it same with satellit
same with everything else satellites
especially because it's it's it's line
of sight like you look up at a satellite
that data is just flowing down right and
open for anybody to grab but hopefully
encrypted for you know would safe for a
while but the the the issue then is we
move into um as you're talking about
securing against or detecting so we
don't detect but there's companies upand
comers there's a group called Tech
Slayers who we've partnered with they're
out of Phoenix that now have really
Advanced systems that can go in and try
to find people that are already in your
network um and so now those folks have
breached the network they're in they're
looking around a lot of times they're
stealing things you don't even know like
you I mean a couple of the last hacks at
the federal level uh you know one hack
they had been in since May the other one
I don't know if you recall it was about
a month ago they they they had been in
uh the Russians had been inside the
network for 20 years so it's like oh my
God they have everything so yeah it's
it's that we would recommend um
deploying all the latest tools that you
can to start looking at your network
making sure that you're um you're always
probing to see what's what looks like an
anomaly what's going wrong again on the
quantum side we haven't looked at
anybody that's building Quantum systems
yet to do that but I will tell you Jeff
your your your your uh uh your your
question is precient because in my
belief the only thing that's really ever
going to stop Quantum and AI is quantum
and AI So eventually you will have a
quantum computer on the inside that is
doing all with AI That's doing all the
analys to say okay where are we going to
get attacked who's attacking where think
of you know it's like zone defense right
it's always that's the only thing really
going to stop that that whole initiative
now that's down the road but I you know
that I think you're you're a spot
on well you know we talk about a lot of
stuff that can definitely keep people up
at night on this program or in this
podcast um I think the the potential of
quantum in terms of identifying a lot of
those very small data fluctuations that
we see in the industrial sector
something going up half a degree doesn't
sound like a big deal that could be a
huge deal in a chemical processing plant
and that could be leading to more
nefarious um hacking motives down the
line so the greater sensitivity will be
a big deal there also you know you
talked about Ai and how AI is what can
stop AI I know it's it is nerve-wracking
when you think about all the things that
these tools can do in the hands of the
bad guys but there's a lot of things the
good guys can do with AI as well from a
cyber security perspective I was hoping
maybe you could talk about some of the
things either you're working on you've
seen or you think could develop for the
white hats when it comes to using AI
tools I think when you look at uh What
uh Q secure can offer and and and the
security components of AI that are built
into uh our Quantum Quantum resilience
it's a continually learning process and
what we've done is uh developed a system
that is what we like to call crypto
agile and that means when you're looking
at all of the the variances that you
have in your security measures or even
those measures that are measuring for
you um you're looking an ability of AI
to help drastically increase the amount
of active defense we have and the amount
of keys that we have to be able to
continually have fallback redundancy so
that when there is an attack happening
or when there is something happening we
are always able to recognize uh a new
set
of evaluated or encrypted keys that we
can use to to do that so I think it's a
um It's A Brave New World for what AI is
bringing but when you develop it with
Quantum it's uh there's there's a lot of
potential for for good as well as bad
there skip did you want to jump in that
anymore yeah I can jump on that too so
Jee essentially as Paul was describing
um idea being that you need AI to
predict and change things because humans
aren't fast enough so an example in our
product we've built AI in so you
actually can change cryptography now and
uh you can move it so that if let's say
um on the nist algorithms these are new
the new crypto nist is doing for
instance they have four new algorithms
that looks like they're going to approve
um you know you need to be able to use
all four and you need to be able to use
different key sizes you need to be able
to switch those and AI can do that as it
looks and says okay wait I see a vector
open out here let me upgrade that
cryptography let me switch this over
here because I think there's a a you
know a DDOS attack over there and that's
how you're going to use it you're going
to use it and again I go back to and you
you asked earlier Jeff why do people
need to do this now because the you
think about it the the existing encryp
is like a flat file it's like an Excel
file versus an Oracle database two
different worlds Excel file is flat
Oracle database is relational right you
do tons of stuff our existing encryption
is flat it's a single mathematical
transaction it's not changeable you're
not changing crypto at all now all
you're doing is leaving your own stuff
there and hoping it works you've got to
get into new cryptography and be able to
change it and have it automatically
change the AI or machine learning on the
Fly that's how you're going to build
defense is against against AI because
those vectors that the bad guys are
using with AI they're going to get
stronger and faster and better and
smarter and and this is why again we
can't wait around any any of your
companies listening to this podcast
start looking at new cryptography today
you've got to start embracing it because
you don't want to get caught behind that
tsunami like Paul's talking about um we
can't emphasize enough that you know
it's it's kind of like I remember seeing
a meme Jeff you to laugh at this where
it showed uh budget budget before uh
Cyber attack and it had like it showed a
picture of like three pennies budget
after Cyber attack like a million
dollars right in other words you don't
want to budget and go oh well we just
got breached and lost everything but
let's put some good cryptography in now
you know again it's it's it's a new
world and it's got to be
messy yeah just just to add to that Skip
it's uh we talk about security and and
playing defense well you have to be on
offense to be able to have a good
defense in this particular case meaning
you need to start now and be proactive
uh it's just it'll be too late if you
wait way too much longer no great great
points and you know to kind of echo the
sentiment of that you know that comic or
that's the the gift that you saw I mean
we've had people come on the program and
talk about investment in cyber security
within an Enterprise didn't increase
until after a ransomware attack because
they have to report that stuff in a
quarterly meeting in uh reports annual
reports things like that they don't want
to deal with it so they make the
investment it's too bad it happened
after the fact but it's at least
encouraging to see that more of that is
taking place at this point um you know
one of the things I wanted to run past
you guys too and all of the stuff that
you're talking about I just want to
reiterate what you said there this is an
issue now this isn't tomorrow's problem
this is going on right now a lot of
manufacturing consider themselves
smaller companies they consider their
their what they're doing their process
their products not important enough to
get the attention of hackers we know
that's not the case we know the way
Supply chains are integrated everyone's
a Target where what advice would you
offer to some of these smaller firms
these smaller Enterprises in terms of
where do I start because when you start
digging into cyber security it can be
really daunting especially when you get
into terms like Quantum Computing and in
Quantum encryption where should people
where should they start what's the low
hanging
fruit yeah I'll start Paul you jump in
on this as well so the first thing to do
is understand the cryptography you have
in your network okay um and where it
lives because cryptography lives in a
lot of places it can live on servers it
can live on applications it can live on
Communications um and and actually I
said I shouldn't say can it lives on all
those things um so every application
every um device um every Communications
Channel um every server has cryptography
somewhere in it you know Cisco will have
cryptography uh you'll use TLS for
communications between devices iot may
have cryptography now um and by the way
uh there's the new initiative just came
out yesterday that now there's going to
be a consumer label on iot uh that will
give it a cryptograph not a
cryptographic give it a kind of a
standard rating of is it how secure it
is just came out yesterday um so you
could see the movement the point is is
that you've got all of these different
forms and places first thing to do is
begin to understand what you have and
where it is now you you talk Jeff about
the integration of the supply chain
absolutely and if if your supplier to to
to a larger company whether it's
Automotive or it's retail or you're in
one of those uh whatever you're
supplying you can bet the biggest
companies in your industry are going to
start changing things and they're going
to come down and they're going to make
their all of their vendors and all of
their Partners change as well and this
is you know like if you're in Walmart's
chain as everybody knows you you do what
they say when they say hey we need this
everybody go to this you go to that
otherwise you're out of the chain but
the idea being is you need to look at
your own phography and and I will tell
you guess what it's all Quantum
vulnerable because none of it was built
to to to defend against Quantum so it's
all going to be vulnerable but first
step is to start studying what you have
second step is to look at remediation
where am I going to start plugging the
holes third step is to put in new crypto
and you could do all of those things we
would suggest testing new crypto right
away uh it's easy to test and with
groups like ours we can do tests in a
few days for you right to start that in
the meantime you can deploy some of your
your um your analysis tools to like like
I mentioned text layers earlier that's a
group those guys will go in and they'll
do a red team they'll look at your
cryptography they'll give you a report
on what it is they'll give you a report
on vulnerabilities that's how I'd say
you get started Paul yeah I just echoing
what skip was saying that uh you can
start small you don't have to eat the
whale in one bite you just take a bite
at a time and some of that means you
know as as skip pointed out doing a
little bit of understanding of of what
your needs are and if you take a
particularly small piece that might be
very critical information and you just
do a proof of concept concept maybe with
it uh to get an understanding of of how
that might work in your larger system
you don't have to do a rip and replace
you don't have to pull out all of your
Hardware you can use a software solution
that is able to drop in and be
compatible with a lot of Legacy
environments to be able to really see I
don't have to as I said eat the whale in
one bite uh you there there are
solutions out there including ours that
that give you an ability to to do this
in a very uh uh thorough but piece by
piece manner so you're taking off small
bites to recognize uh what the the
bigger picture would be but you have to
start somewhere and starting with
looking at what your architecture is
what the existing encryption systems are
and how you can build a plan and a road
map to get there over time it doesn't
have to be a One-Stop shop and you're
and you're done it's it can be a journey
that we we could help you with
absolutely you know I think that's a
great point in terms of it anything
essentially anything we're doing right
now is positive anything we can do to
make the Hacker's job a little bit more
difficult in protecting your system your
data your Enterprise it's all going to
play a role even if it's not as much as
you may think it should be to start with
just get the ball rolling and we can go
from there I think it's a great Point um
want to kind of gauge you guys' thoughts
on another um topic that comes up a lot
in terms of cyber security in the
industrial sector and that's really
protecting the cloud um a lot of
Industrial Enterprises have navigated
towards the cloud they rely on it very
heavily in terms of storm storing and
sharing data but security sometimes
becomes as surprising as it may sound a
forgotten Factor I'd love to get your
thoughts in terms of what manufacturers
can do to make sure their cloud is
secure or maybe just some best practices
that you could uh pass along so CL cloud
is is all the rage right and uh although
there is some movement to to move back
into to say private cloud or or back on
the servers but nonetheless you know AWS
Microsoft Google IBM you know they all
have giant clouds of course and there's
International on as well you know
Alibaba B and these guys um but but
Cloud essentially is a absolute you know
weak point for security because you're
doing everything over outside
Communications channels right so you're
thinking about if you know if you're if
you're pulling things and putting things
on servers elsewhere um those are all
going over standard Communications with
standard encryption and Ven and when
audience yes in the 70s um and so it
there are some severe issues we're
working very closely with AWS we've been
approved by AWS on a variety of fronts
and we're working closely with them uh
so that they can you know look at
securing the cloud and putting in this
sort of cryptography um and and you know
moving to the advanced stuff um for your
companies for you the partners you have
here best thing to do is start looking
at at their their Cloud posture uh look
at the cryptography that's being used uh
over you know to to access that cloud
where it might be a v type thing which
is by the way a little better but still
very hackable uh and then look at things
like applying postquantum or Quantum
resilient cryptography to that for
instance if it's a web-based cloud you
could actually create a quantum Channel
very very easily there it's not a
problem and as Paul was saying with our
product specifically you don't change
anything you actually just overlay this
or you tunnel in the existing encryption
so you keep the encryption you have
don't even change it but in the same
assessment like we talked about just in
that early question Jeff you know you
want to assess your Cloud posture and
your vulnerabilities the cryptography
you're using and talk with your Cloud
partner um you know your cloud provider
and say look what are you guys doing in
postquantum how are you guys deploying
new algorithms to make sure that my data
is going to be safe um and the
communications between uh your your you
know your sites you know your data
centers and my servers how are we going
to make sure those Communications are
secure we say take some responsibility
smaller companies or companies that use
the cloud because it's going to be on
you if there's a hack anyway but um the
cloud providers are looking at it I mean
they're they're trying to to move as
well I think we need everybody on the
same page to start pushing the
agenda makes
sense I just add in there real quickly
that you know the cloud by its nature
sounds poorest because it's going up
into the cloud but it's essentially just
a channel and a pipe that works up
through there uh these days in wrapped
in TSL to be able to provide it and if
you look for solutions that aren't just
Patchwork but ones that actually do is
is Skip pointed out have a wraparound
effect and can layer over that TSL with
something like a qsl environment uh that
can very easily uh and simply uh protect
it uh we we've done some work in that
regard with satellites where we've
proven that we can have secure channels
going up through the cloud uh to uh to
Leo and Geo orbits to to protect that
data in a cloud environment so it's it
possible and it's being done right now
yeah it's possible we just need to pay
attention to it make sure we're not just
relying on Amazon or Microsoft or Google
or whomever you're using to take care of
it it's it's a shared responsibility
without a doubt so guys this has been
great we've talked a lot about Q secure
and the things you guys do we've talked
about different trends that are taking
place throughout cyber security anything
else you'd like to add on either one of
those fronts as we kind of wrap stuff up
here you know I would say just what
we've emphasized through the whole call
um it's time now for the cryptographic
upgrade it's time to start looking at at
your cryptography it's time to start
thinking of change putting in budgets um
we're not saying that you need to do
everything at once but at least you know
that if you start down that road you're
going to give yourself the best chance
of protection the other thing it does
become of a bit of a nice branding
element for instance if you're working
with Quantum safe cryptography you could
you know that's not a bad press release
to put out to your stake holders or your
investors if you're public or private um
and let them know guys we take this
seriously um you know we're also seeing
that there are um companies are being
held more responsible boards are being
held more responsible for cyber breaches
um now there's more reporting at the
federal level if you've been breached
it's mandatory now it's no longer an
option these are all things that we're
all saying look you know companies have
got to take responsibility for this
because in the past it was kind of like
oh we got hacked it's bad cost money but
you know nobody really gets blamed right
it's pretty serious now so you want to
get on the front side of it and it's
like anything else you want to show that
you're diligent you want to show that
you're ahead of the curb think of it as
R&D and Innovation just like you're
innovating with your products and
services innovate with your security
because if you don't innovate then
you're going to be using the old stuff
and if you use the old stuff and
something happens believe me you're
going to have people all over you saying
why didn't you do any of these things
you know it can't be because we were too
busy or I don't know
it's it's time now so yeah we would just
recommend everybody start moving on
that I think Skip stole my playbook for
that
answer I was G the one word that came to
mind Jeff when you asked about you know
what what can we you know do now there's
opportunity we often look at the threats
and we look at the negatives and you the
you have to with compliance but Skip's
right there's a fiduciary opportunity
there where there is a responsibility
for people to do it but there's also a
commercial opportunity to get their
first and to be able to show your
customers and your shareholders and your
employees that security and safety
matters not just the physical security
like we talked about early from the
manufacturing and Industrial sense but
the security that you can provide from a
data perspective and the importance of
of uh anything that you have that's
going to be be data related as well and
then the last point I would make is
we're all doing something that works
across a shared vision and a shared
Mission and that is at the core of what
we do around security and safety uh it
delves into privacy as well too uh but
we're doing this if it's either at a
very very high level I'm making sure
that the government and we're we're all
trying to help the government be
protected from foreign nation states or
Bad actors down to our individual uh
concerns and and and protecting our our
schools our environments our communities
our our families uh it spans the gamut
so it's it's a Shear desire to um to
make sure our society and way of life
can be protected with these new threats
and opportunities that AI Mach machine
learning Quantum Computing all provide
so last question guys got to ask this
we've talked about some kind of scary
stuff and you guys work on a little bit
different plane I think than a lot of
other people we've had on the security
breach podcast you almost have to borrow
a Terminator reference you can almost
see Judgment Day coming a little bit
with a lot of the quantum encryption
challenges that are out there I just got
to ask I mean how do you sleep at night
how how are you how do you feel a sense
of calm about things from a cyber
security perspective knowing how quickly
the bad guys can evolve adapt to things
yeah I mean I I'll answer that Jeff Paul
will have his answer but honestly I
don't sleep that well at night um you
know I uh and and AI scares the heck out
of me it really does because you know it
took no time again for those guys to
develop their own GPT the worm
GPT um and you know all we can do is
what we can do and and we just you know
if I had it in my way this nation would
be covered in postquantum cyber all
across every channel um and and that
would give us the best chance so in
essence we're behind the curve and uh
you know China just announced the the
fast world's fastest quantum computer by
the way as well so they're they're
moving into Quantum you know and they
they may have surpassed Us in in what we
and call you know Quantum Supremacy but
uh we need to just keep at it so it's
it's our nation it's our future as Paul
said this is you know what's at stake
for our kids and Grand kids and we
either get this right or it's a global
difference this is an existential
problem and so yeah I don't sleep we
just keep at it and we go 247 and we we
scream from the top of the mountains uh
you know please start looking at this
folks get your stuff upgraded um you'll
be just then then we'll sleep better at
night yeah if you guys all upgrade I'll
sleep a lot
better I I uh I'd counter skip with a
little bit of I'm maybe a little more
The Optimist maybe that's why we make a
good team uh he he's nervous for the
future but I'm I'm optimistic because I
believe that if we can together as as a
country and I know that sounds a little
hyperbolic uh We've we've faced large
challenges in the past and if we can
gather our resources and make people
aware of this we have such a wonderful
uh Community Society country that we
live in that if we can Garner the
resources and the will to do it and I
think we can that I think that the
future does look bright so um as much as
there is a lot to work on out there I I
just look at the Spirit of what uh
America has done in its sense of
innovation and and and revolutionizing
things and and getting there and maybe
we aren't there as fast as we need to be
but we will get there uh if we all just
put our our you know shoulder to the
grindstone and and keep pushing hard and
that's what we're trying to do every day
here and it's it's it's important work
and I think that that sense of
importance is what drives us uh whether
whether it be if we're optimistic or if
we're nervous we do know that that that
it's so important that we're working
together in that same
cause skipp and Paul thanks so much for
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