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Fwd: [Private] Juan... (was Re: Hi, Boyce!)
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

These are private messages for Juan. Just my messages, not his answers. I was re-reading dozens of messages and 90% of my manifestations about moderation x censorship to him were private, so I won't send them to the list, sorry. Juan provoked me asking about how much I know about his free time and the answer is almost everything, but I never will tell anything to anyone, because it would be disgusting, a horrible lack of ethics, pretty wrong. I still like him a lot, but I can _not_ trust him anymore. -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Private] Juan... (was Re: Hi, Boyce!) To: juan <juan.g71(a)gmail.com> Ah, please, don't send this message to other persons or to a list, Juan! I have enough problems and I am feeling pretty humilliated until now. Thanks in advance. My life, my death, my rules. I don't care about a lot of unknowed people oppinions, but it is pretty annoying to receive moralist messages. Cecilia On Jun 22, 2016 9:29 PM, "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ah, a lovely example for showing you why the moderation team can be > important, Juan... > > Today earlier, I talked about my own suicide to a friend. He was stupid > enough for fowarding my private message to a German list, asking for help. > > Now, I am trying to learn the worst German bad words before answering to > any possible message. Uff, I had more interesting things to do today... > :(( > > The only certain fact in the life is the death. Why can't I choose when > and how without being judged? Everybody can be selfish and it is ok, it is > considered 'normal'. Why can't I be a little selfish too? :-/ > > Phew, as I said before, hard times... I can't live in peace, I can't die > in peace... The world is becoming pretty boring and finding sane good > people is almost impossible now... :-/ >

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Another one, sorry! (Fwd: Hi, Boyce! (was Fwd: tor-talk subscription update)
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Hi, Boyce! (was Fwd: tor-talk subscription update) To: cpunks <cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org> On Jun 22, 2016 8:39 PM, "juan" <juan.g71(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Your absurd and duplicious apology for censorship, hypocritically dubbed 'moderation', has been duly noted. > > Yeah, you censor people in other to protect your poor retarded audience. Touching. No, they were not my audience at all. My ego never was not so pretentious. They were people trying to learn more about programming, electronics, security, better ways of buying components, even living in a corrupt country, full of injust imposts and taxes... A little about everything, Juan. Some of us talked about phylosophy, History, poetry... And all of the group asked to moderate that guy. It was not my decision. Democracy, my dear. I was just one of the moderation team, the only woman, and my work was avoing spammers and disasters. The difference was that I was knowed as moderator in public for being easily contacted for all the members of the list. The rest of the moderator team wanted to avoid problems in their inboxes. They were wiser than me and really coward in one person' specific case. Sorry, Juan, I really don't care if you likes me or not. It won't change my life or my personal convictions. Cecilia

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Hi, Boyce! (was Fwd: tor-talk subscription update)
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

Lovely sweet guy. Hope he is honest enough to expose exactly who were the people banned in tor-talk list. Boyce, please, just pro-Jake people were banned or it was just a lovely coincidence? How about a bit of transparency, please? Thanks in advance! Cecilia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Griffin Boyce" <griffin(a)cryptolab.net> Date: Jun 22, 2016 4:46 PM Subject: tor-talk subscription update To: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To whom it may concern, You have been removed from the tor-talk mailing list for persistent off-topic posts and I encourage you to spend your time elsewhere. Do not re-subscribe to the list. best of luck, Griffin - -- “We have to create; it is the only thing louder than destruction.” ~ Andrea Gibson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXaup/AAoJEAPPSgqzx5pjRBAH/jtlRw70yVDL9d62mgHPA3uo fiab3QDDjw04tKMbEGqwGEEHpOKn3nP6bynxGiwUi2Xsp7f3HHi1UD7c79n9cFsp RHqRNpYvLP81eABIpcany0Z2mmI9uVZs0ccirVMcq3YK10ADtG7zYujl6KBgCDWl M6FGWnmLEFa8vw24ia+6lEukARJ2nXTIFMrDisfbQ7bkJFSHaGGsenuy66yde2zS uECH1C/98f5RtZDv7NJJtTebbAPZMSnBQVYU3//ossTG7OFI60EPYAPH3xPdpS3/ zuocWagHiL1KYvqkoxCm3qWv7k9c7CvUhEJXgy4dhGQEljDdu3UsVsV8PPheDcM= =lKWK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Another old message against moderation (Fwd: Re: Cypherpunk Manifesto)
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> Date: Sep 6, 2016 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Cypherpunk Manifesto To: "cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org" <cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org> Yep, Bastiani is right. Lots and lots of times harder. And, even this way, will be a complete waste of the time. Yours and ours. This list never will be moderated because of whining babies. Please, try a pacifier or a baby bottle to calm yourself when you feel like a crying baby, needy, wanting a bit of attention. On Sep 6, 2016 8:57 AM, "Bastiani Fortress" <bastianifortress(a)yandex.com> wrote: > > You need to try harder if you're trying to provoke moderation in the list. > > 2:15 PM, September 6, 2016, Timmay <timmay(a)sigaint.org>: > >> On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 06:02:56AM -0000, Timmay wrote: >> >>> Anything goes. >>> >>> Fuckers. >> >> Fuck you and you're anarchist ways! We gonna censor this list NOW!

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Another one (Fwd: Re: moving on)
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> Date: Aug 22, 2016 3:12 AM Subject: Re: moving on To: "cpunks" <cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org> On Aug 22, 2016 2:45 AM, "Georgi Guninski" <guninski(a)guninski.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the fish. > > Some problems IMHO the new version of the list may face, in no > particular order: > > 1. spam > 2. ddos > 3. legal threats Please, suggestions to avoid all the possible problems? <3 I really want to help Riad to make the transition smoothly. I don't know exactly what to do, but I recognize the importance of cypherpunks's history and want to help to preserve it and keep it working well. I don't know much (almost nothing, for being sincere) about technical area, but I promise to try hard and doing my best to honor Riad's work and to thank him for his efforts. I learned to love sincerely cypherpunks list and a lot of people here. I really love the idea of a place to be free to exchange ideas about everything without censorship and/or moderation. The cypherpunks list needs protection, care and respect. <3 And love, love, love... <3 Ceci

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Different mesages of a same thread (Fwd: Re: moving on)
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> Date: Aug 23, 2016 4:45 AM Subject: Re: moving on To: "cpunks" <cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org> On Aug 23, 2016 4:27 AM, "Steve Kinney" <admin(a)pilobilus.net> wrote: > > <3 Ⓐ <3 > > :o) Steve, I love you very much, but my hero today is Riad. Crazy threads like this one, full of chaos and non sense, and he is still defending the most complete freedom of expression, without censorship or moderation! :D Already said it before, but thank you a lot for years of hard work and patience, my dear Riad. I learned to love sincerely Cypherpunks list and it never would be possible without you. :) I love you and your work! Thank you with all my heart! <3

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Re: p2p vs piracy vs corp/gov dictates [was: unchanged generic subject]
by grarpamp 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

from p2p-hackers On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:52 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:13 AM, David Barrett <dbarrett(a)quinthar.com> wrote: >> >> My sense is p2p tech is on the downswing, but not forever. With Netflix >> focusing more on original content, Pandora looking at being acquired, etc -- >> the days of very affordable on demand content might be limited. Piracy is a >> check on content price > > > Piracy is a check on freedom, ease of access, and utility, > among other things. Though "price" may encompass many > things, strict monetary "price" alone is the least of > its reasons. > >> >> gouging, and it'll rear it's head whenever the content providers forget >> that consumers are paying for marginal convenience over piracy -- not >> content. The content is already free, and that will never change. If the >> cost of that convenience goes up too high (or its coverage goes down too >> far), piracy will be there to fill in the gap -- and p2p tech will get an >> influx of new attention. >> >> One very positive move is Netflix allowing downloads for offline or weak >> internet viewing. Hopefully we'll see more of that and piracy can stay >> quiet! >> >> Incidentally if you are interested in non-piracy p2p, check out >> bedrockdb.com -- exciting stuff!

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taxonomical effects in reducing fear, uncertainty and doubt - the 5 types of Neo-Nazis
by Zenaan Harkness 04 Dec '16

04 Dec '16

Also titled: "What is a Neo-Nazi and How Can I Become One?" Here's an extract: Let us consider the five types of Neo-Nazis. - Ironic Nazis - This group of Neo-Nazis uses imagery of Nazism and claims to be Nazi because it's funny and upsets Jews and cucks. They like Hitler, but aren't all that deeply into Third Reich history or the specific economic doctrines of the NSDAP. This label can be applied to at least 70-80% of the Alt-Right. - Anime Nazis - This group of Neo-Nazis shares an equal affinity for Hitler and Japanese cartoons. Some of them may actually like Japanese cartoons more than they like Nazism, but think Hitler was a pretty cool guy and feel the Third Reich aesthetic compliments the Anime aesthetic. - 1488 Skinheads - This group is generally a bit older, as the skinhead movement isn't especially big in most cities in America presently. They are pretty serious Nazis, but don't really go into much detail. They feel the imagery of Nazism is powerful, so embrace it, mixed with a type of hardcore street gang aesthetic. They are good people. - Dress-Up Nazis - This group of Nazis dresses up like 1930s German Nazis. I guess it's mostly based on Rockwell's strategy of shock-and-awe propaganda, though I can't say for sure as I've never actually met one. Since Bill White got locked up, there haven't really been any prominent dress-up Nazis. - Serious Business Nazis - This Nazi group is very serious and looks intellectually at the details of the NSDAP movement and seeks to apply it in a pure form to America and other White countries (though almost always without the dressing-up, which serious Nazis view as silly). You will notice them often saying that they are not "Nazis" but "National Socialists," a distinction that other Nazis don't generally make. You will also see them somewhat preoccupied with labeling things as "degenerate," and perhaps opposing certain "vulgar" tactics of the rest of the Alt-Right. They are a relatively small group, and can be a bit overbearing at times, but they are important to have around, in my opinion. ... But What is the Plan Though? Although there are exceptions, I don't think that on the whole, many people envision Americans dressed-up in SS uniforms and marching with Swastika flags as the end-game of the Alt-Right movement. The Jew media and certain cuckolds/infiltrators trying to redirect the Alt-Right like to portray Neo-Nazis as having this sort of plan, but it is more about using Hitler and the Third Reich for four main reasons: - General inspiration - Hitler and the Nazis were awesome, and so they inspire us. - It's fun and enjoyable - I think even the serious business Nazis can agree that armies of internet trolls spamming pictures of Auschwitz to Jewish journalists is very funny. It is also rebellious, and brings an element of danger that does not exist in drier presentations of White Nationalism. - It demonstrates an unwillingness to compromise or apologize - Previous nationalist movements have tried to avoid the Nazi issue, regardless of the fact that they will always be compared to Nazis and accused of being Nazis. When you try to say you're not a Nazi, you look like you're apologizing and backtracking. You look weak and pathetic, even if people accept that you are not a Nazi. If you claim to not be a Nazi, you start a downward spiral of intellectual compromise. By simply saying "yes, I am a Nazi - let's move on to the next question," you break that cycle. - Desensitizing the public - Nonstop images of Hitler, especially when juxtaposed with cartoon frogs, Bane, Anime, etc., remove the image in the minds of the public of evil Hitler Nazis. You cannot possibly argue with the emotional imagery the Jews have created with their endless propaganda about the horrors of the Holocaust, so you have to undermine it by confronting it directly. ... http://bbs.dailystormer.com/t/what-is-a-neo-nazi-and-how-can-i-become-one/5… -- Certified Deplorable Fake News Nazi (TM)(C)(R) Executive Director of Vice, Ministry of Winning Shilling for buxom Russian swastika clad minxes since 1488

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on the Palestinians
by Zenaan Harkness 04 Dec '16

04 Dec '16

A letter and response - an Israeli presumably seeking to comprehend Hamas declaring ongoing war against Israel. ---- Hi Dr. Duke. I am an Israeli resident and terribly bothered by the death of so many people in this war. On the other hand, at least as I understand, Hamas is declaring they will continue fighting Israel under any conditions. What would you expect Israel to do? i’m not here to provoke, but to truly try and understand the other side. Best regards, Gershon ---- Dear Gershon, Thanks for your letter. I hope it is sincere. On the assumption that you are truly trying to understand the “other side” I will attempt to offer a very short rebuttal of the Zionist position. Perhaps, instead of being totally myopically concerned with Hamas declaring that it will fight Israel, you should attempt to understand why Hamas wants to fight Israel. Your nation, your people and your people’s influence around the world in media, politics, finance have supported the murder, terror, ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Their homes, farms and businesses have been stolen. [photo] Those who have tried to resist your occupation and terror have been abducted by the tens of thousands and tortured in Israeli prisons. You have welcomed fellow Jews from all over the world to come and take land which is not theirs and take part in a state that holds the land by murder, terror and oppression. The very idea that in the modern world one can arrive in a territory, and then can seize it through violence and bloodshed, just because they think that their ancestors lived there 2,000 years ago, is insane and ludicrous! If any other people on earth would commit such horrendous crimes they would be condemned and brought before the World Court for Crimes against Humanity. In fact, much of the world does condemn Israel for its actions. But your state is protected by the American government—and that is only because the Jewish lobby controls the US’s financial, media and political infrastructure—as it does in most other western nations. Jewish tribalist subversives have taken over most of the media conglomerates, control the biggest banks of the world (such as like Goldman Sachs), and thereby bribe and corrupt the political process. This is also the only reason why those states have diplomatic relations with Israel. Any state with a morally untainted and uncorrupted leadership would have broken off diplomatic relations with your country and completely boycotted your predator nation by now. And now in Gaza, the true face of Zionist hatred is being shown. You are literally massacring thousands of innocents. Over 1,300 people have been killed, over 7,500 have been wounded and maimed, more than half of them women and children. Thousands of homes, businesses, schools have been destroyed. About 30 percent of all the deaths in Gaza are those of innocent children and babies. Do you understand what that means? Let me spell it out for you: at least 350 children and babies have been murdered, and over 3,000 children either killed or maimed. Can you understand what that means? [photo] The mass media, dominated by your Zionist brothers and sisters, equate homemade rockets, of which 99.9 percent fall harmlessly, to tens of thousands of really powerful guided Israeli missiles that have taken a toll of countless thousands of Palestinian lives over the years. Your Zio tribal friends in media put pictures of three abducted Israeli teens on the front pages all over the world, but completely ignore the tens of thousands of Palestinian teens and adults who have been abducted by the Jewish army and dragged off to prisons of torture and death. How many Israelis have died in this latest conflict? 3 civilians and 45 members of the military who are the themselves a part of the terrorist army that mass murderers and maims thousands of Palestinians civilians. How would you react if 3,000 Israeli children and babies had been murdered or maimed? The most horrific Israeli weapons of mass destruction are raining down hell on the Palestinian people. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. But, they are not fish, they are human beings, blown up in their own homes and schools. Just a few minutes ago another school was struck with 20 dead kids and 100 injured. The leaders of Israel and its military are all guilty of war crimes, and of human rights violations on a massive scale. And if a Jew or anyone else who supports this horrific ongoing human massacre… then you too are guilty of a deep moral crime. That is my take on this. It is up to your own heart and mind to contemplate all of this and decide what is truly right and moral. All I know is that if the Jewish people were in the same circumstances: being bombed and blown up by the thousands, with hardly any ability to defend themselves, then you would say that those carrying out the murderers were the devil incarnate. The Zionists are doing that right this moment. Are they not the Devil Incarnate? That’s how bad it is. What is Israel to do? You ask. * Immediately stop the mass murder. * Charge your leaders and their allies in the media with crimes against humanity. * Prosecute and punish them yourselves. End the Occupation! * Remove every Jews-only stolen settlement from the West Bank. * Recognize the Palestinian State and accord it the same sovereign * rights as you want for Israel. * Allow all the Palestinians who you terrorized and murdered back to their homes and lands that you stole, and treat them with respect. * Compensate them for the theft, murder, torture that you have inflicted upon them! Those things are the least you can do. And those actions would make a damn good start! I am not proposing mass revenge here against the Jews of Israel. These points are the very minimum of Human Justice! Thank goodness there are small percentage of Jews—far too few in number—who recognize and decry Jewish racism and terror and murder, just as they would decry those crimes in any other people. I hope you can be one of them. Sincerely, ... ---- -- Certified Deplorable Fake News Nazi (TM)(C)(R) Executive Director of Vice, Ministry of Winning Shilling for buxom Russian swastika clad minxes since 1488

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bankocracy
by Zenaan Harkness 04 Dec '16

04 Dec '16

>From Italy with amore: “Is it democratic that the banks have taken control of the institutions? This is called “bankocracy,” not democracy."[...] “We are convinced that, if we are able to take back sovereignty we can raise Italy from the rubble, but we will be governing a country in rubble. “You don’t realize it because now we are in the center of Genoa, but I have traveled across this country and there are urban peripheries that are like the peripheries of the big cities in Latin America. “There are five organised crime groups and young people willing to kill for very little and an increase in drug consumption and firearms that is incredible. “And while this world of financial capitalism is producing injustice, and the injustices are provoking violence, here there is a political force made up of young people who are talking about public water, public transport, public instruction and public health and European citizens are supposed to be afraid of us?” -- Certified Deplorable Fake News Nazi (TM)(C)(R) Executive Director of Vice, Ministry of Winning Shilling for buxom Russian swastika clad minxes since 1488

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