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Re: The next generation secure email solution
by grarpamp 15 Dec '13

15 Dec '13

Moving the last couple days talk to this thread seems fine. On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Ralf Senderek <crypto(a)senderek.ie> wrote: > On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 grarpamp wrote: > >> The only way to have any real global seamless success is to go >> ground up with a completely new model. IMO, that will be some >> form of p2p message system where every address is a crypto key, >> masked for grandma by her contact list, decrypted out your p2p >> daemon and piped into your local mail processing (MUA/filter/lists) >> and filesystem (encryption). At least that way your local mail tools >> will still work (no one will give those up anyway). > > > If you are so sure, can you tell us how the next generation secure email > solution will solve the "trust problem", please. Though unclear, that sounds like the old trust of a CA/PKI system problem. > How does the p2p daemon > find the correct crypto key, so that every user can rely on its invisible > performance? In general I suggest that people wish to use messaging with each other once they already know them (or have some other trusted web to them). As in, Hey John, nice to meet ya today, what's your key (address), I'll message you later. Or Hey Jane, what's John's address. Same for employers, businesses, etc. Such peer groups bootstrap and grow very fast. Thus the perceived need for a cold lookup of Ralf, isn't much of a real one. Once you know the address (node crypto key), you put it 'To: <key>', mua hands to spool, p2p daemon reads spool, looks up key in DHT and sends msg off across the transport to the far key (node) when it is reachable. Hopefully the transport looks like I2P/Tor in being a secure random hop layer. In fact, those could probably be used today, they have the keys as nodes and user facing ports for inbound/outbound daemons. They just need scaling work to n-billion nodes (users, aka: the hard part). People are already plugging postfix, bittorrent, etc into these networks. Tor is not currently addressible at the user level by the full key, it 'shortens' the key into a 16char onion address. As you may be hinting at... yes, that is bad... collisions, and needing secondary lookup layers into the full key. Tor may be moving to full key addressibility soon, see tor-dev for that. I2P (and Phantom, and probably GnuNet) are addressible with full keys. So you can send to 'account@key' with them if you want, and keep the John/Jane/Ralf human style lookups in your MUA addressbook (once you know them) without needing a secondary lookup layer into the full key. No, I am not sure. But when looking at some of the p2p transport layers that have come along so far, it seems like a fairly strong possibility for a new backend transport model while retaining user level mail tools... mutt, maildrop, mailman, Thunderbird, etc. Most of what you'd need there is support for very long addresses and split horizon handoff to local daemon/spool based on recognizing what the destination net is... .onion, .i2p, etc. I'd like to read what Pond and I2P-Bote are doing with some parts of this as well. I don't believe you need a trusted CA/PKI service to successfully bootstrap users and their addresses/keys into a new global messaging system. If I want to know what some unknown like Bruce's key is, I'll look it up on his website, social net, list posts, etc. If that's what you mean.

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Gaps in email [was: PGP userbase]
by grarpamp 15 Dec '13

15 Dec '13

>> Phillip H-B, et al have been saying... >> [email encryption, etc] >> What is the gap we have to close to turn this on by default? > > How many times has this been rehashed the last six months? > You can't fix email as we know it today using todays bolt-ons, > protocols and corporate stakeholders/services trying to profit from it. > The only way to have any real global seamless success is to go > ground up with a completely new model. IMO, that will be some > form of p2p message system where every address is a crypto key, > masked for grandma by her contact list, decrypted out your p2p > daemon and piped into your local mail processing (MUA/filter/lists) > and filesystem (encryption). At least that way your local mail tools > will still work (no one will give those up anyway). > > The problem is the antique centralized backend, it needs bypassed. > You've got neat stuff like Tor, bittorrent, bitcoin, etc already... so > boost email into the 2020's the same way. Then let the old world > email services try to keep up, and slowly die like everything else. / There are people I know who do not mind the extra steps for pgp. I / certainly want to get the roll out to use and test and enjoy. Sign me / up. Encryption is only part of it. There's transport, elimination of central storage, anonymity, p2p, etc. Many things people want simply can't be done with modifications to the current system. With p2p model and every node as a key/address, you don't need 'pgp' because the node is the key and does lookups and encrypt2dest / decrypt2you for you. But you can still use pgp with the usual tools around message bodies if desired for additional encrypt/auth or if you're disk isn't encrypted. P2P daemon takes over and all the old transport headers go away. Spam/AV becomes another local daemon. Mailing lists are a repeater node someone runs, or the usual local mailman stuff. It's a transport replacement, so business can use it account@node. All the MTA's die off in time. [Please direct list replies to the list, not me. I should have broke the subject earlier.]

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c4-r3kN.txt (urls)
by brian carroll 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

../correction_regarding; = "last {urls} list", a needed clarification about applied concrete, its also massive and important role in reconceptualization. bridges, hi-ways, skyscrapers along with steel, office parks via CMUs. innovative material- and form-based aesthetics (its own language or dialect, syntax, grammar, etc). medium for ideas, shapes ideas, opens up new areas for development & interpretation. (note: basis for approach of Le Corbusier (aka 'the crow'), structure/order- 'organizational logic' as parti; and FLlW use of concrete masonry units and precast concrete as vital to new ideas). yet architecture is still much more than these things, it remains a detail, sometimes of major significance other times not in the 'ideas' involved. sometimes innovative, etc. yet in a larger context or situation, larger goals and functioning than just concrete itself, alone, as the variable. in other words 'the ideas of architecture' are not containable just within concrete, though it can and does have major influence at certain stages and within specific approaches. its conceptual innovation feeds into architecture and vice-versa, symbiotic, including conceptual stagnation due to loss of larger vision (ideas) and greater purpose at scales involved due to narrowed_focus(), etc(etc). Crypto Museum http://www.cryptomuseum.com/ http://www.cryptomuseum.com/mission.htm The Future "Modern cryptographic equipment consists of nothing more than a 'black box' with powerful digital processors and advanced mathematical algorithms. There is not much to see, and there are definitely no moving parts. We realize that this is probably where our collection of historical cipher equipment will end. However, there are numerous earlier cipher machines and much of this is still undiscovered. 'New' old machines will, no doubt, pup-up and many side-tracks will be walked. Furthermore, the history of some famous cipher machines is still very clouded, leaving much to be researched and much to be discovered in the years to come. "On the Crypto Museum website, we have done our best to raise an interest in historical cipher machines and cryptology in general. Where possible, we will give as much background information as we can. Perhaps you too will eventually get contaminated with the Crypto Virus. If it happens, be careful as it might get under your skin. August 2010, Paul Reuvers & Marc Simons /unquote [video] Fully functional loudspeaker is 3-D printed http://phys.org/news/2013-12-fully-functional-loudspeaker-d.html "Lipson said he hopes this simple demonstration is just the "tip of the iceberg." 3-D printing technology could be moving from printing passive parts toward printing active, integrated systems, he said." Airline Runways renumbered when Earth's Magnetic field shifts... http://gizmodo.com/why-we-renumber-runways-when-the-earths-magnetic-field-1… // see video. only 6 weeks to claim universal empirical effects... The Mozart Effect myth: research finds music doesn't make you smarter http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/12/5204124/the-mozart-effect-myth-research-… (note: headline made me wonder what the difference actually is in terms of intelligence or ability to think and process information in a different conceptual framework/model, from those who actually _play music, to those who are _trained to remotely reproduce "music", say musical compositions repeated for 240 years from the institutionalized cultural canon, versus making your own music, exploring musical principles versus rote behaviorism that may remove those learning principles from the interaction, so people as tape recorders in a context of music playback, repeating someone elses musical learning, versus developing their own via unique exploration and grounding. the latter approach would seem to indicate 'new information' models could develop whereas repetition of preexisting structures and approaches may limit this to a realm of memorization, for instance. likewise, any effects from playing music may require longer-term integration to be expressed as intelligence, years even, as motor skills and new neuronal connections and pathways take hold, rewiring the brain, and six weeks is not going to allow this known and basic benefit to be evaluated. it may be a time of peak confusion, instead, because it is new knowledge not yet integrated so to test on that is to force its benefits into a realm of observable tangibility it may not be able to provide, though may still exist as this inside people, expressing itself over a longer time.) Alligators and Crocodiles Use Tools to Hunt, in a First // via digg http://www.livescience.com/41898-alligators-crocodiles-use-tools.html Stealth maneuver allows nectar bats to target insect prey http://phys.org/news/2013-12-stealth-maneuver-nectar-insect-prey.html "The results, published in the journal Functional Ecology, show that the bat's echolocation calls were high in frequency but low in intensity making it difficult for {'bat-detecting ears' of} the insect to detect the imminent danger. Man Walks All Day to Create Massive Snow Patterns // via hh http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/simon-beck-snow-art-update-2 https://www.facebook.com/snowart8848/photos_stream :-:-:-: Ten books - Vitruvius, recontextualization :-:-:-: i wanted to substantiate an approach to crypto in a larger context from its parallel within architecture as a discipline that involves real-time development based on principles that are shared as a framework and value system, in other words common consciousness about a given domain or areas of importance or relevance as this effects what can or cannot develop. in the existing late 20th c. worldview my research interests into electrification as critical to understanding the existing built environment had no place within the history books. such views are literally erased, censored from books, both as content though also imagery, there are few 'electrical poles' in those fashion photographs of buildings, removing the ubiquitous context of infrastructure, as if they function in a more pure condition than are reliant upon an external source of power, light, heat, than 'the elements' of nature and sunlight. because those are the beliefs, shade shadow mass spatial experience, pre-electric, communication about experience shared in a context of 'the senses' removed of their electromagnetic truth, such that ungrounded subjectivism and indoctrination into a world view is established and _must be followed to succeed in the systematized view and training to become an architect, within such narrowed parameters. to continue to extend the existing ideology in this way. so it was necessary to find justification for such thinking and consideration, and Plato offers this in terms of conceptualizing the state as a body, essentially a nervous system. and then considering this in terms of its governance. how the individual and group are established via various principles of relation, what is prioritized, etc. there were also many fragmentary views from Modernist masters relating to electrical aesthetics, i think it was Walter Gropius who related the eyeball to the television set, and Le Corbusier had great interest in the aesthetics of electrification, generators, motors, turbines. and so an archaeological aspect, yet not integrated into a larger framework. so as it happens, this continues to a threshold where scholar-architects Venturi, Scott-Brown, and Izenour share very insightful observations about the developing electromagnetic landscape, to include such aesthetics of infrastructure relied upon (in the desert no less, for life sustaining a/c and casinos and signage: essentially OASIS and MIRAGE), in their Learning from Las Vegas and yet the strong and silent type still does not mention or investigate the electrical order while certainly referencing it and including it within the chaos of the built environment in the photographs taken. and yet, in architectural history, there is supposedly no precedent, no way to make the case that this infrastructure is an extension of architecture, of fundamental and foundational relation as an ordering device within the city grid, its planned development (ala plug-in city, though originating millennia ago). and yet there is direct lineage with these billboards along the highway that cars drive by and signage along busy routes near ancient cities, the present day is an extension of similar structure and order over a long span of time. it is part of a language, although it may become subconscious, mediated in other terms or only indirectly, else could be edited out as 'not architecture' which is the default loophole. (http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/learning-las-vegas) what interested me about this, and i am not sure exactly the sequence my readings occurred, though in deciding to delve into reading a classic work of literature, the earliest account of architectural authority (in the West) in terms of its classical culture and development, if not mistaken, is that it was unlike the existing conception of what architecture is, and had a far wider boundary for knowledge and interpretation that today has been narrowed by special and private interests in a 'training approach' to office workers than an educational approach that questioned the parameters of architecture, beyond a confined technical enterprise that overlaps aesthetics onto a deterministic approach to answered problems of culture, society, economic development, and political agendas driving the development, its destructiveness. Ten Books on Architecture - Vitruvius http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_architectura so what took me by surprise is that the architect is speaking of not only geometry and the proportion of temples and buildings at that time, based on the classical ordering systems... (Classical Orders: Doric, Ionic, Corinthian, Tuscan, Composite) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_order ...though also about armaments and fortifications, about the quality of water in wells (wells that produce black bile or something along these lines), and various other important areas of knowledge in terms of buildings and development in their larger realm of functioning, which today would include areas like environment and defense as part of this architectural inquiry and area of knowledge- for how architecture exists and functions. In this way, to understand nature and surrounding culture, infrastructure would fit into this same approach, and without it the existing dwellings, buildings, the entire built environment, cities themselves- do not make any sense because they cease to function without electricity. A skyscraper no longer functions in this era without electrical elevators and ventilation systems, lighting, etc. A home would lose its washing machine, food storage, communications ability, etc. And yet this vital and basic information is left out of the equation, removed from architecture as a viewpoint, which is ridiculous, and not allowed in 'reasoning' within the schools likewise. In this way the ideas of architecture are shallow, hollowed out of their meaning for a surface-based interpretation, which serves a particular oil-based development agenda perfectly. the reason this was introduced here is because of ancient principles now absent within the realm of architecture: approximated as Commidity, Firmness, and Delight... these principles are often presumed or claimed to exist for the given approach to image-based development yet have become signage-only, language game seeking to misrepresent what is going on, as if more is occurring, higher minded activity than a base activity under the guise of architecture Commodity, Firmness, and Delight, or Toward a New Architectural Attitude http://classicistne.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/commodity-firmness-and-delight… (for instance, commodity replaced by anti-economy as 'economics'; firmness by using false foundation and understanding for development, thus developing ungrounded civilization, and 'bliss of ignorance' delight while this process is being subverted for ulterior motives). There is misalignment and misrepresentation and short-circuiting and a sabotaged detour going on within the ancient_tradition of architecture, whereby today is functions directly against and in opposition to these principles, most especially in the area they could be evaluated and-or acknowledged, within the education system which instead is ruled by an anti-architecture ideology. against thought, against action, functioning against truth, grounded reasoning itself. and then one day recently in trying to remember the above tripartite concept, the mingling of its present incarnation as Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt appeared in the fog of my mind, though was rendered as: Fear, Uncertainty, and Delight, instead. and to me this illuminated this very closely correlated development, removed of its camouflage, suc that FUD is the equivalent set of principles by which development occurs in a context of developing of this insecurity, uncertainty, and incapacitation of people, most notably through ideology of relativism and binary views based on biased authority structures and control over reasoning and feedback. another sample of wreckage from this same broken brain is that of the Fountainhead by Ayn Rand, the book and also the excellent movie (c.1949) with Gary Cooper and Patricia Neal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountainhead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountainhead_%28film%29 there is controversy over interpretation of the ideas involved, though i think an accurate grounding of observation neutralizes the beliefs, when truth is the arbiter of actions and not just ego, as if belief in superior vision is justification for higher awareness development that others just cannot understand and thus lone geniuses stand alone in obscurity, which then is how the corruption of the star system occurs with celebrity architecture and development of 'aesthetic buildings' are removed from larger issues of economics, societal, and their political reliance and extension of given systems of corrupt power, instead of questioning these, and thus in some sense 'the cathedrals' built represent these values, as if glossy advertisements for a culture devoid of culture, just about shiny objects and immediate sensory experience that no longer connects with larger surrounding issues or has a larger impact on lives than in an ecological negative, like playing music on the titanic as it is sinking, yet not accounting for this part of the situation, as if heightened experience when instead blindness. the entire system supporting this development, all students, interning as peasants to upkeep offices that churn out cultural pablum as if 'high conceptualization' when devoid of this, in truth. then the conceit of the architect in this domain, as if knowledgeable of what is going on as if in continuance of vitrivuian awareness, or mastery within the built environment, when basic reasoning and observation long ago failed in order to support the ruling oppressive ideology. so here is the contrast, the other way of considering this: that the architect who removes themselves from the process of development as an individual (i.e. human), then revolves around the issue of identity, awareness, self-conception. issues of governance, models of the state from individual to group, such that a 'shared identity' (humans) could be this same individual and may have removed themselves from the existing treachery, allowed this process of devolution to occur, and thus the absence of architecture, its truth, then can be made evident, the lack of culture in those 'representing culture' as stand-ins, mimics, of a false order and false reality and false perspective sustained and relied upon for the shallow relations based on another foundation or set of parameters: say, base materialism, money. further, 'the architect' may be assumed to thus be one person, one individual, yet in this way a shared identity can compose this person, such that the person is human, and as others are also human, they too are involved in this condition, via shared awareness and values. thus, a networking of realization or shared state as it were, via whatever conceptual scaffolding or consciousness is sustained as entablature, such that wave-collapse does not occur, and the post-and-lintel connections between here and there are sustained between human beings. likewise and vitally important, that 'architecture' is a meta-condition as exampled by ancient conception that ranges beyond the existing modeling, yet is fragmented and not integrated as a total discipline in this way. naval architecture is one aspect, traditionally, though also computer architecture and other areas. the principles or even code, common structures, and programming (such that, for instance, music and architecture are closely empirically related, and essentially everything is, in terms of aesthetics in terms of its truth and intelligence), then a wider range of activity may be occuring as 'architecture' than is accounted for, and yet it may be the truth of its condition, as certain principles are or are not observed and served. for instance, serving public interest by having safe water and waste disposal infrastructure versus relying on toxic systems that despoil the environment, or stewardary of wildlife and landscape and environments as this relates to weather and ecosystems or denying these or exploiting them, say with engineering weather for political manevering and strategy, and to enact certain development patterns via forced desertification and manipulating demographic and other flow patterns, as this can become an illegal basis for creating and sustaining power, off the books, because it is not included in the observations or analysis, unaccounted for. further, that any 'architecture' is not at the hand and mind just of the architect, though in its *implementation*, involving all who are involved in its development, relying upon a shared awareness and value system (truth) else subverted in its conception, communication, and construction, by sabotage or other mistakes, errors, or misalignments that weaken it. and thus the coherence in the group action to build something upon a foundation, and how this is achieved, from idea to its actualization (just like circuitry in technological devices that then can break in or out of warranty via poor manufacturing or deceitful practices baked-in). it is this myth of completely independent action, that the individual achieves something in its entirely -alone- that is a clean-room conceptualization of a process that involves many who are part of the larger process of design, construction, and development, and that this 'functioning together as one' is in some sense 'the architect' in its larger coherent state, of shared awareness, continuum throughout the various circuitry that establishes and sustains relations in their truth, in the shared direction, moving together towards the same goals. each person having an important role, each part having its own importance in achieving functioning of the larger integerated whole. not just as a machine, as a culture, as an idea though further- a living idea, a living truth that is shared, that governs, principles that are not merely referred to and referenced as if authority, and instead, awareness and understanding that is based within and upon knowing, a way of being or competency that develops in each as a unique vantage of the common situation, another perspective yet contributing toward a total perspective, allowing error correction and greater accuracy than any single viewpoint. in this way the people who create the materials are part of the building process, part of the vital development of civilization and culture, those who construct buildings and systems and develop this order are vital for its implementation and have feedback and insight to offer as part of this process, for how given approaches could be improved or made more economical or with greater strength or durability. in this way, this coordinated empirical shared effort of many functioning as one, to include engineers, designers, craftspeople, tradespeople, workers, manufacturers, technologists, scientists, and others, including programmers and security developers --- all of these people are involved in the 'ideas' of architecture, as it is integrated beyond narrowed boundaries and considered as a larger conceptual model of how it actually functions, when accounting for its various and many details and manifestations and dimensions that must be developed, designed, built, and implemented correctly and successfully, for the project to have integrity. to be able to endure over time and function correctly, versus being designed and developed to fall apart as today via any number of compromises or unshared goals, lowered principle. in other words, the potential exists that 'the architect' is in this larger scale and framework of shared activity amongst many functioning as one, and that no single person could feasibly be functioning in all these domains, (unless extraordinary circumstances of all-knowing, then all truth would be addressed not ignored in the building process, tending towards utopia). this is to suggest that 'architecture' could be occurring within a wide range of realms that are not yet integrated in a larger conception, conceptualization, or modeling accurately maps to its true nature and functioning, its inherent interdisciplinary awareness that integrates into a cohesive understanding spanning these various domains. and lacking this, the conceit would be that a person could know more than a tiny fragment of this immensity and alone be able to shape all of these forces and meld them into a direction as an individual, because of their truth, instead of having this be an issue of 'shared identity' of those like who also relate to the situation in similar dimensions and together can move towards a given direction as one entity, diverse and multiplicitous yet organized, gaining not losing coherence- order. and in this way, perhaps a context of entropy and ideas, likewise, and security issues involved. (in other words: it is not ungrounded group ego detached from or ignoring 'truth' that is this shared momentum as development, nor of an individual that is part of this. such that each pseudo-work is considered 'the great work' that amounts to mediocrity, if analyzed further beyond narrowed boundary. instead, of integrity, foundation common to action, verified and sustained and modeled in its truth, in service to it, then each point relating to others, lineage from one structuring to the next, nodes interconnecting within dimensions, this awareness, then interactions that build upon this stability, this accurate understanding and modeling, such that it is a common or shared development, it benefits the whole and the part and each is in service to the truth of others who are operating within shared principles, dimensions, and then learning from others, integrating views, understanding, awareness, evolving a higher capacity and improving, optimizing functioning, relation, communication, ability to operate with cohesion yet still error-correct. what are the rules, logic, truth, reasoning, falsifiability, the ability of debate to lead to win-win interactions even while in contest because truth benefits all through its discovery and development, new social dynamics and understanding and awareness based on this, difficulties faced betwixt-and-between as the conflict or friction is extreme, working through the wrong models or moving through the false concepts or limitations, breaking things down, pain and agony of not knowing or having limited questioning and then requestioning, losing certainty, only to regain basic truth and model for any interaction, governance versus politics, basic versus applied, novice vs. expert, and role of learning and literacy and basic questions as the place this functioning occurs, as people move together towards a higher-order or dimensional integration, over time...) == sidenote A == note: i am not familiar with the indepth reasoning of Rem Koolhaas related to ~shopping as a cultural activity though to me it cracked a nut that opens a new universe of analysis about the actual behavior of people in terms of material culture, social relations, etc. in that it provides a context for evaluations on par with anthropology and archeology, of the present situation. review: The Harvard Design School Guide to Shopping http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/16/style/a-harvard-shopping-guide-charge-it.… so this is meant to provide context for the following ideas... that is, there is more to gain from a commercial advertisement in its cultural depth than just a monetary transaction. (this moves into the business page of daily newspapers as a tally of ongoing applied philosophy, where business philosophy is the presiding worldview, the shared communication that most effects the transformation and development of culture- as ideas. (moreso: ideology though, as many sacred beliefs are unquestionable and most things occur in such rigid frameworks, ungrounded from external variables and falsifications, so essentially protected views that can be and are weak structurally, though within a bubble civilization seem peak insight). beyond scaling of unchecked materialism and profit-based onesided exchange (of beliefs) there can be lots going on in the development of material artifacts, processes, as these effect social relations, activities, various detailing of or within culture, in given sets of parameters. of the basic situation then of commerce, exchange, things that are conceived of, invented or extended, -made-, developed into systems small and large, then of the corresponding ideas attached to them, that move alongside the movement of artifacts as they located in culture, and find their place. as if shards of pottery someday to be unearthed in various geographies that then matches a common culture across distances and differences, via such evidence. then to encounter such an advertisement: DIGITAL MIND, ANALOG SOUL http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/11/analogfourhtsynth92.j… rel. [video] Elektron announces Analog Four synthesizer http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/13/elektron-announces-analog-four-synthesiz… SOS review http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may13/articles/elektron-analog-four.htm what was remarkable to me, having memory issues, is how research into a drum machine (a related product on the company site) then led to a graphic about another music tool that went high concept, into a realm of big ideas and reminded me of the question i repeatedly wonder about and then forget, once having known the basic situation.... part of the human nervous system is actually digital and part of it is analog. and to me this is an important fact about the technological environment people are living within, especially in terms of sensing and how coupling with external signals and communications or exfiltration of biological or physiological information could occur, if not aspects of remote control over the nervous system via these same means. and yet as shared view or model of humanity to discuss ongoing oppressive dynamics in worse-case scenarios- non-existent! not awareness or understanding except within a field of expertise that is often politicized, such that there are agendas within professions; political science -> political medicine -> political neurology and the next thing you know a drone is flyign overhead and the emg-test you last had forces a twitch in your arm via EM reflex and you drive off the cliff. do not need to wait for automated cars to steer you off the road, it can already happen today, if such systems are 'weaponized'. what is to prevent such dynamics from existing if they are not accounted for. and thus this is only one aspect, the danger of not knowing, yet what may be realized if such a model of the electromagnetic human was understood or part of the conceptualization of shared relations, part of the intellectual framework that mediates the world in a sea of toxic signalling, and what is the limit or boundary for this happening, (the entire education system for starters) so a non EM-worldview and non-EM humans existing in electromagnetic civilization as shared context yet believing the self 'outside' this perspective for analysis and evaluation, having rationalized and accounted for activity only in non-EM terms and conceptualization. sounds like the wrong mathematics of zero again. what is the structure of the human nervous system, how does this digital and-or analog circuitry relate to issues of infrastructure, wireless communication, potential frameworks for consciousness, embodiment, being. (note: in exploring basic electronics, the category of sensors fascinated me, especially in regard to common features they share, such as strain, and their often ~analog nature, as well as a principle of reversibility in functioning, as if of a deeper symbiotic connection involved) (what then does it mean for an all-digital computer in terms of 'processing' or reasoning, versus a hybrid system that matches functionality of nervous system in its dynamic range) How brains go from digital to analogue http://freshscience.org.au/2008/how-brains-go-from-digital-to-analogue [quote] “We not only saw that nerve impulses are able to send out signals in an analogue manner, but we also found this could be perceived by neighbouring nerve cells if located close enough.” The more closely cells are connected to each other, the more information can be received from the analogue signal. [unquote] // mixed analog-digital nature of communication (ref. 3/645) Brain Communicates in Analog and Digital Modes Simultaneously http://news.yale.edu/2006/04/12/brain-communicates-analog-and-digital-modes… [quote] “It’s as if everyone thought communication in the brain was like a telegraph, but actually it turned out to be more similar to a telephone,” he said. [unquote] (note: digital as on/off switch and analog as grey-area switch or gauge) [video] IS LIFE ANALOG OR DIGITAL? -- FREEMAN DYSON http://edge.org/conversation/is-life-analog-or-digital note: ANALOG IS MORE POWERFUL THAN DIGITAL (is information that exists outside a computer analog/digital, is a non-virtual material_artifact and thus matter_itself analog/digital? is energy analog and-or digital. in what domain is culture occurring as consciousness, as communication. ideas. where is crypto, only digital???) [excerpt] II. Philosophers' Distinctions - II.1 Von Neumann http://www.ellieepp.com/theory/analog/analog5.html "The nervous system is based on two types of communications: those which do not involve arithmetical formalisms, and those which do, i.e. communications of orders (logical ones) and communications of numbers (arithmetical ones). The former may be described as language proper, the latter as mathematics. (von Neumann, 1958, 80)" Von Neumann's The Computer and the Brain, written in 1956 and published in 1958, made the analog/digital distinction relevant to philosophy by claiming that the logics and mathematics of the central nervous system, viewed as representational systems, must "structurally be essentially different from those languages to which our common experience refers" (1958, 82). He has in mind here both natural language and binary mathematics. [...] == sidenote B == as with crypto basics and possibilities, it is my belief that the basic breadboard circuit in its actual dynamics has not been fully accounted for, in that the relation of charge (+/-) including neutral or 'ground' is not adequately modeled in accurate terms of existence and instead a structural skew exists that sends everything into a particular direction. also with crypto that becomes about mathematic equations and 'beliefs' about signage, than of other dynamics that exist in the same realm yet whose dimensions may be unrecognized, ignored, or without value in a given methodology or approach, while inherently relevant to the core ideas and cryptologic processes. i do not think or believe the basic circuit has been figured out, that it remains a question. that the analog digital aspects of the circuit may be wrongly modeled or conceptualized in the actual terms they exist - because LOGIC. because of a binary (and yes, thus 'digital' ideology) approach that favors a certain rationalization as if universal reasoning when it breaks down at a given threshold or boundary yet continues on as a 'belief system' in certain assumptions and views that can be inaccurate or illusory, if not deceptive, false. when the dynamics between a basic circuit and model of the atom and thus molecules in which the identical charge relations exist and provide momentum -do not align or match up- in terms of how they are conceived and what is going on with grounding (mathematics of zero), such that "infinity" is made or modeled as if finite, removed from dynamics, then the potential that is in the realm of N-value is also removed, made 'digital' as it were even with analog modeling. and it would seem so too crypto, 'quantum' processing itself seemingly more analog in the range of parallelism as basis for computation, as a natural process of equilibrium even, perhaps. and how much of the multi- or non-linearity of circuitry, its ecological or ecosystem based ~complex dynamics similar exist in this as a foundational, fundamental context, firstly, before the digital even develops as a simple on/off switch, then to represent and model _everything in that reductionist framework, and claim its signage to represent all that is. (without accurate logical accounting can such modeling be accurate in its grounded truth, if this truth is unrecognized or unreferenced beyond binary biasing and distortion (digital worldview?). how much of observation is contained or trapped within its warping(etc);) maybe thinking is not up-to-speed with material interactions, a gap between models and reality, yet beliefs in accurate representations that are limiting, based on misconceptions. thus, remove logic (empirical and error-corrected grounded reasoning) and electromagnetism, and try conceptualizing computers and crypto in that context and see what happens. this. computers are based on _logic, yet a particular kind that is warped and ideological and is in error as a neutral observational viewpoint. developing this bias as technological worldview is then enshrining a false empiricism and vault of the 'digital sky' as consciousness when it acts and functions against actual consciousness in its ungrounded, unchecked state, as if 'being' itself. exploitation of this condition (a kind of magic, sorcercy) tending towards evil as it moves further and further away from truth and serves and extends the false approach, what is essentially a shared lie if facts and truth are ignored, censored, etc. total power, control over a developing system that at its core is based on error. here, morality, ethics, absence of law that upholds the false framework as it is institutionalized, "believed" via leap of faith, ignoring the gap, denying the gap, for all the material rewards it can yield to its developers. unchecked of course, forbid from error correction. the representation replacing reality. the sign becoming truth, that detachment, ungrounded condition. just like circuit & adam. (also: quantum computer of people, shared consciousness in parallel empirical evaluation) == random == 1. if prohibition of alcohol = control of speech, as a side-effect, via behavioral influence, that is, sobriety; what is prohibition of crypto? control of controversial thoughts and connections, an indirect form of secondary censorship. Fahrenheit 451 tactics- actual crypto the fire. 2. if everything is backdoored already, essentially key escrow exists as the basic situation, instead of having private keys the NSA has a master key per standard, implementation, other. if this was inside a known legal framework, that perhaps would be tolerable with oversight, yet without oversight where tyranny takes over, then everything is pawned/owned by NSA who could forcibly censor without consequence as part of a hidden political strategy, etc. (all tools broken so a crypto scheme can function, leading to all tools remotely breakable?) 3. question of literature as applied cryptography in linguistic/typographic model, and also cryptology in decryption approaches to embedded codes and ciphers, yet perhaps not a strategy for encryption within ordinary bounded means and measures. are there in this way two or more distinct approaches, only one that finds itself in the parameters of computer encryption/decryption as modeled, and the others reside in a realm of data mining and other statistical correlations that may function in a realm of cryptanalysis and-or code-breaking though using different tools and approaches than strong encryption that currently reigns. 4. is there a unified crypto scheme or is it fragmented and does not recognize itself in the mirror as its own 'whole' self due to a limit for this structural-conceptual integration. in this way could cryptography be schizoid in having two or more parallel systems, disconnected strategies that function outside boundaries of the other, and may remain unrecognized. that is, literature/language/linguistics as crypto versus mathematic encrypt/decrypt schemes, each having their own ecosystems and boundaries, paths that may never cross or meet within the given parameters or dimensions as evaluated by the other, or may exist as unbroken ciphers within other ciphers, encrypted code within decrypted communications that remains unrecognized due to this unrelated, ungrounded condition between them. 5. in this way could having 'answers' at the ready (GOTO 2) then provide confirmational bias that a correct decrypt has been achieved within a limited view that then becomes foundation for a false perspective, represented by mathematics. and may a particular rationalization (GOTO 1) that is enforced as if objectivity defined, then become the basis for an illusion of mastery or control over limited dimensionality and observational frameworks, themselves becoming the basis for an insecure crypto framework (see 1). in other words, without or banning abberations, then leading to a false condition of certainty by containing what is or may be uncontainable, making finite the infinite question and potential parameters into a 'small world'(model); ineffective at best in accounting for actual crypto, operating. 6. does a hybrid crypto approach exist that remains unrecognized, whereby both a linguistic even 'literature-based' crypto could exist alongside mathematical encryption techniques yet remain unrecognized in the "official" institutional model of cryptography, perhaps even with a missing cryptological foundation or background, that limits a realm of computer crypto to a narrow investigation of algorithms and security inside a bounded, finite domain? (see 3/645) [image] A 47-Year-Old Prediction Comes True // via hh http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20131213160729-4444200-a-47-year… Keeping the lights on: Mechanical engineer finds a way to predict cascading power outages http://phys.org/news/2013-12-mechanical-cascading-power-outages.html "Each individual component does not know what the collective state of affairs is," said Mezic. Current methods rely on a steady, abundant supply, producing enough energy to flow through the grid at all times, regardless of demand, he explained. However, should part of a grid already operating at capacity fail—say in times of disaster, attack or malfunction—widespread blackouts all over the system can occur. "Everybody shuts down," Mezic said. The big surges of power left unregulated by the malfunctioning component can either overload and burn out other parts of the grid, or cause them to shut down to avoid damage, he explained. The result is a massive power outage and subsequent economic and physical damage. The Northeast Blackout of 2003 was one such event, affecting several U.S. states and part of Canada, crippling transportation, communication and industry. [unquote] {educational fair-use of copyright, 2013} 1/-12 -12/18 9/2

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Re: Joke
by Juan Garofalo 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

--On Saturday, December 14, 2013 1:30 PM -0800 Al Billings <albill(a)openbuddha.com> wrote: > From: Juan Garofalo Juan Garofalo > >> Do you ever have anything positive or nice to say, Juan? > > > Oh, I'm pretty sorry I upset you, Al. Tell me, please, Whose boots you > think I should be licking? > > Any that make you grow up into a human being that isn't an asshole? > Well, care you about giving an example, you stupid sack of shit? Oops, Sorry (I fear I upset poor Al again), that should have been "Well, care about giving an example, you stupid sack of shit? " Now, that's better. > > -- > Al Billings > http://makehacklearn.org > >

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Joke
by Juan Garofalo 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

So, I tried to create an account at bitcointalk.org and got this "Due to abuse, registration through Tor is not permitted. " That's got to be a joke, right? right?

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Re: Services Blocking Tor [was: Joke]
by grarpamp 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Juan Garofalo <juan.g71(a)gmail.com> wrote: > --On Friday, December 13, 2013 7:31 PM -0800 Tom Ritter <tom(a)ritter.vg> > So, I tried to create an account at bitcointalk.org and got this > "Due to abuse, registration through Tor is not permitted. " > That's got to be a joke, right? right? In the context that Bitcoin needs an anonymizing layer to be anonymous, yes, it's rather silly. >> I doubt it - abuse through Tor is a legitimate problem. Abuse through the plain old internet is likely far more of a problem regarding volume of tickets generated. > Not sure what that means. At any rate, there seems to be something wrong > with the bitcoin forum blocking anonymous(sort-of) access, no? There is this https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/projects/DontBlockMe >> There are ideas for solving this though, and it would be cool to see more >> ideas, and more fleshing out of them. Mike Hearn has talked about having >> people make a bitcoin deposit for an account, and after so much time of >> legitimate use, the deposit is refunded. >> Before that, if it's used for >> abuse, the deposit is kept by the service. > > That's cool. So, say something those idiots don't like, and they 'keep' > (steal) your money. That's why you should only use services that send such deposit defaults to established third party 'charities' you preselect when creating your account. The Bitcoin blockchain could be used to prove your default was sent to such third party by posting the txid to your account that you are now otherwise locked from using (at least until some future deposit/appeal is made). A service provider that has this charity policy, cancels an account, and then chooses to steal the money for themselves would quickly develop a painfully public reputation issue. Some say service providers really shouldn't cancel accounts except as matter of Law, not their own policy whim, but that's another issue altogether.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] RDRAND used directly when default engines loaded in openssl-1.0.1-beta1 through openssl-1.0.1e
by coderman 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton(a)acm.org> wrote: > It would have been good if you had said "security issue" ... i think the word you're looking for is "Feature". ... but you and me are not the customer. ;)

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Re: cognitive dissonance in threat modelling?
by coderman 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:57 AM, ianG <iang(a)iang.org> wrote: > ... the way in to a sector attack such as is now NSA's mission > is often by picking the weaker player and perverting them. Then, leapfrog > (with extortion & bribery) through other players. > > Also disturbing is that if the it is Intel, this would mark an intervention > into the competitive marketplace of industrial policy proportions: it would > be promoting Intel over the competitors, which would basically undo decades > of work to open markets to competition. > > Knowing what the NSA are up to is on the verge of becoming a global > competitive priority. From an economics / world trade pov, this is seismic. i hope it was worth it for them! 'cause this is going to be expensive... Matthew Green posted insights on how one might implement backdoors in chips: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/p/some-thoughts-on-suborning-encryp… as well as the "Weak random number generators" attacks: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/12/how-does-nsa-break-ssl.html regarding the unredaction automation: the typographic interpolation trick discussed on the list, matching type face with justified spacing with candidate word(s), is a really annoying idea and won't get out of my head. (i tried to distract and forget with a Tor patch - https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/10402 - to no avail ;) currently playing with scipy, skimage to: - obtain from human initial document image - obtain from human seed words / dictionary for matching - misc. contrast / levels / etc conditioning for text optimized monochrome - mask document image into text and non-text areas - edge detect, align to horoz (for selections by x/y) - broad region detect text rows into individual row images - region detect individual chars per row image then assign char value via OCR - insert human in loop to confirm / correct OCR row by row - insert human to select redact line + redact area - interpolate justified components: character spacing, word spacing, etc. - iterate over known text with candidate fonts until best match. - iterate over candidate words in best font until best match. - success? what confidence? (GOTO 10) (the extra work for char by char and whole doc dis-assembly is in case a "re-assemble scanned chars into candidate" rather than "match font and re-produce text candidate" mode is needed.) something better, Beuller? ... Beuller? ... this won't be the last time i find this code useful! current working set, including known wrong (please add suggestions :) FeliCa and AMD Nortel Networks Apple and ARM Array Networks Cisco and Atmel Philips and VIA HiFn and Atmel Cisco and ARM Cisco and HiFn Intel Ivy Bridge Intel RDRAND Atmel and IBM Atmel and VIA Apple and VIA Intel and AMD Intel and ARM Forum Systems VIA XSTORE Cavium Nitrox CAI Networks A10 Networks Cisco Systems Citrix Systems Sun SCA6000

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Re: [cryptography] Which encryption chips are compromised?
by Jan-Frode Myklebust 13 Dec '13

13 Dec '13

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 08:04:00AM -0800, Steve Weis wrote: > > The document is talking about FY2013. IVB already shipped in 2012. I'd > guess it was fabricated for testing in 2009-2010 and designed for a few > years prior. > > What enablement would be "complete" in 2013 for something that has been on > the market a year and is already being phased out? A microcode update ? -jf

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Multiple Plots by US, UK to Kidnap Edward Snowden
by coderman 13 Dec '13

13 Dec '13

ah FSB; you crack me up! '''A senior officer of Russian counter-intelligence said: "Although the Federal Security Bureau does not do anything about human rights activist Snowden, the service has been active in counterintelligence. I am pretty sure that kidnaping the former NSA employee will be dramatically challenging." He also thanked "former NSA employees and journalists for publishing such information...''' --- http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/10-12-2013/126347-edward_snowden_r… """ Edward Snowden can be kidnapped from Russia? 10.12.2013 14:57 Edward Snowden, the whistleblower of NSA's total control systems can be kidnapped from Russia. This is a priority for the British MI-6 and the British Embassy, former NSA agent Wayne Madsen said, referring to his colleagues. Of course, nothing is known whether the CIA received the task, and whether the U.S. Embassy is going to be involved in the activities to try to kidnap Snowden. However, the British Embassy has already tracked calls and letters of Snowden's "inner circle" and begun to "dig up" their contacts in Moscow. According to The Guardian, Snowden has the information, the disclosure of which could become a nightmare for the U.S., even though the fugitive NSA specialist decided not to disclose some of his data. In addition, The Guardianadmitted that the media have so far published "only 1%" of available information about NSA's total control over billions of people in different countries. Nevertheless, even this one percent has already made the UK authorities introduce outright censorship against those who reveal secrets of "global surveillance." In particular, Wayne Madsen said that his girlfriend, who previously worked for the National Security Agency as an expert on the Russian language, tried to contact Snowden's acquaintances. Afterwards, she was invited to come to the British Embassy and undergo special training. She was also asked to report of FSB's interest in her persons and communications. The press quoted a former NSA expert, who said that the job to find Snowden was of the highest priority for the embassy. Moreover, it was said that the future operation to kidnap him involved number one MI-6 officer at the embassy, who worked under diplomatic cover as the director for regional security. The Center for the Study of Globalization has previously reported that should the operation be successful, Snowden would be delivered to the UK or the U.S. For the time being, the flywheel of total wiretapping that Snowden launched was working against him to the utmost. "MI-6 intelligence agencies have begun to analyze the information they were able to obtain through intelligence," the statement from the center said. A senior officer of Russian counter-intelligence, whom Politonline.ru confidentially managed to talk to, said: "Although the Federal Security Bureau does not do anything about human rights activist Snowden, the service has been active in counterintelligence. I am pretty sure that kidnaping the former NSA employee will be dramatically challenging." He also thanked "former NSA employees and journalists for publishing such information, but added that operational, technical and other measures to counter intelligence and other illegal activities of foreign secret services on the territory of Russia were constantly maintained. It only remains to add that the CIA has recently created a special section in Russian on its official website, in which the department offered Russian citizens (!) to join American intelligence. To choose from, for example, the CIA offers engineering and technical directions, a linguistic job, a secret agent with the knowledge of Russian language and experts in business and analysts. The CIA reportedly hopes to obtain classified information from newcomers in the above areas to establish a new database of agents. """

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