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[nickeconopouly@gmail.com: Re: slur: you're going to hate it]
by Nick Econopouly 31 Jul '15

31 Jul '15

----- Forwarded message from Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly(a)gmail.com> ----- > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:55:25 -0400 > From: Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly(a)gmail.com> > To: "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn(a)rushpost.com> > Subject: Re: slur: you're going to hate it > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+89 (0255b37be491) (2014-03-12) > > On 07/30, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 21:15 -0400, Nick Econopouly wrote: > > > Paste for those who don't want to load the webpage: > > > > > > > > > http://slur.io/ > > > Slur: You're going to hate it. > > > > > > "Slur is an open source, decentralized and anonymous marketplace for the > > > selling of secret information in exchange for bitcoin. Slur is written > > > in C and operates over the Tor network with bitcoin transactions through > > > libbitcoin. Both buyers and sellers are fully anonymous and there are no > > > restrictions on the data that is auctioned. There is no charge to buy or > > > sell on the Slur marketplace except in the case of a dispute, where a > > > token sum is paid to volunteers. - See more at: > > > http://slur.io/#sthash.OsHtOC5o.dpuf" > > [...] > > > > This is either going to be very good or very bad. Only time will tell > > which way this goes. > I tend to agree. It has potential to incentize the release of more > information, or create incentive to hoard information and release it > based on the market instead of what is right or wrong. > > In general though I think the project won't be moving forward, for > several reasons > > The service offered by "slur" could easily exist on many DNMs right now > anyway-- I know there are sites where you can buy credit cards, etc. > Does agora sell digital goods? > > The website makes some fantastic claims as well. For instance the claim > that information can not be sold twice on the slur marketplace, or that > someone could really "prevent other parties from acquiring a copy" by > buying it themselves-- Slur is making the mistake of treating IP like > actual tangible property that can't be copied. > > Also, the functionality of Slur would rely on Arbitrators judging > disputes fairly instead of in some other interest > > But there really should be a better leaking platform than just sending > it to an institution (guardian,wikileaks) or hosting it somewhere on the > darknet and hoping people find it > > -nick > ----- End forwarded message -----

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[nickeconopouly@gmail.com: Re: slur: you're going to hate it]
by Nick Econopouly 31 Jul '15

31 Jul '15

----- Forwarded message from Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly(a)gmail.com> ----- > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:04:51 -0400 > From: Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly(a)gmail.com> > To: Razer <Rayzer(a)riseup.net> > Subject: Re: slur: you're going to hate it > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+89 (0255b37be491) (2014-03-12) > > On 07/31, Razer wrote: > > > > > > On 07/30/2015 11:23 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > I have serious problems with this - leak by economic purchasing power? > > > Where's the principle in that? What could possibly go wrong? > > > > > > This allows the mega wealthy to pay for the protection of their data. > > > If such a market actually gets going, if nothing else it's a turbo > > > charged economic greasing of economic information blackmail. > > > > > > Please people, think before you support such a things. > > > > > > Obviously the oligarchies around the planet will love such a thing > > > (they print the money anyway, so a few dollars is pocket change - a > > > pittance to them anyway). > > > > > > I guess we had to see such reactions to Snowden and his ilk. > > > > > > Juan, your voice is needed so much more now than ever! > > > > > > Where this goes will be interesting to say the least. > > > > > > > > > > The 'donate' hash said something about 'counterbalancing the class war' > > and I immediately thought, 'in whose favor?'. But I'm one who doesn't > > believe mythical currencies like cash and bitcoins EVER 'stops pigs' or > > 'serves people'. > Weird, right? > "Using the enemy's tool against him" works much better when the enemy > isn't the #1 owner, printer, miner of the tool > > Although I have to admit, copyleft is an example of that concept applied > correctly. > > -nick ----- End forwarded message -----

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[nickeconopouly@gmail.com: Re: slur: you're going to hate it]
by Nick Econopouly 31 Jul '15

31 Jul '15

----- Forwarded message from Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly(a)gmail.com> ----- > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:21:44 -0400 > From: Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly(a)gmail.com> > To: Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> > Subject: Re: slur: you're going to hate it > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+89 (0255b37be491) (2014-03-12) > > On 07/31, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > I have serious problems with this - leak by economic purchasing power? > > Where's the principle in that? What could possibly go wrong? > exactly. More like what could go right > > > > This allows the mega wealthy to pay for the protection of their data. > > If such a market actually gets going, if nothing else it's a turbo > > charged economic greasing of economic information blackmail. > Well, this assumes that the leakers don't royally rip off the wealthy > before releasing the data anyway. > > > > Please people, think before you support such a things. > > > > Obviously the oligarchies around the planet will love such a thing > > (they print the money anyway, so a few dollars is pocket change - a > > pittance to them anyway). > > I would be really surprised if Slur followed through and the oligarchies > loved it. What if people release info for free? or accept donations? > Sure, it's based on the pseudo-science of economics, it's home turf, > but somehow I doubt that the USA would take a liking to a new leaking platform. > > What would be interesting to see is governments(perhaps anonymously) > spending huge amounts to shame each other > > regards, > nick ----- End forwarded message -----

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slur: you're going to hate it
by Nick Econopouly 31 Jul '15

31 Jul '15

Paste for those who don't want to load the webpage: http://slur.io/ Slur: You're going to hate it. "Slur is an open source, decentralized and anonymous marketplace for the selling of secret information in exchange for bitcoin. Slur is written in C and operates over the Tor network with bitcoin transactions through libbitcoin. Both buyers and sellers are fully anonymous and there are no restrictions on the data that is auctioned. There is no charge to buy or sell on the Slur marketplace except in the case of a dispute, where a token sum is paid to volunteers. - See more at: http://slur.io/#sthash.OsHtOC5o.dpuf" "How does it work ? Sellers encrypt, upload and then list their data on the digital market with the ease a user might list an item on eBay. They do so with full anonymity and there are no restrictions on the content of the data. Exclusive bidders attempt to purchase the data for their own use and / or prevent other parties from acquiring a copy. Should an exclusive bidder win the auction they alone will receive the decryption keys. The same data cannot be auctioned a second time on the Slur marketplace. Crowd bidders pool their funds into a single bid. Should they win the auction the network will release the decryption keys to all users on the Slur marketplace and the information will therefore become public. Arbitrators are randomly selected users who agree to weigh in on a dispute should the winner of an auction claim that the decrypted contents do not match the sellers description. Public key cryptography ensures the data being sold can only be decrypted by the winner of the auction. - See more at: http://slur.io/#sthash.OsHtOC5o.dpuf" "Implications: If correctly implemented this platform will have a profound and lasting effect on our society. An unregulated free market for information would redefine the net worth of every person as their material assets would in the future be weighed against the market value of their secrets. As damaging as Slur can be to individuals it is considerably more so for groups It's estimated that 5% of the general population are psychopaths. Introducing financial incentive in an anonymous framework will produce a greater yield of leaked information than from say the ideology that drove patriots like Edward Snowden. For every idealist willing to selflessly sacrifice their freedom, assets and even risk their lives for a greater good, there are 1000 psychopaths willing to anonymously sell out their peers for material gain. Organizations of every type; governments, corporations and the military are in the unfortunate predicament of having both a great deal of liquid assets and a large number of secrets to protect - accessible by numerous disgruntled or psychopathic personnel. When Slur becomes ubiquitous it will bleed organizations secrets and funds. The Slur marketplace will sharply increase demand for bitcoin from those parties attempting to purchase previously inaccessible secret information and organizations scrambling to suppress damaging leaks from inside their own ranks or security breaches. The Slur market is WikiLeaks 2.0. An incalculable resource for public knowledge and unfiltered access to the truth. Except that in the future journalists will need to compensate whistle blowers for the extreme risks they take. The types of information we expect to see on the Slur marketplace ; Trade secrets. Designs for every type of consumer product. The source code for proprietary operating systems and high end CAD software. Zero day exploits. For the market defined value rather than a price determined by the corporations under the guise of a bounty with the veiled threat of legal action should the researcher choose to sell elsewhere. The details of backdoors covertly installed inside industrial and consumer hardware and software. Stolen databases. Corporations will no longer be able to get away with an apology when they fail to secure their customers confidential data. They will have to pay the market value to suppress it. Proof of tax evasion from disgruntled or underpaid employees. Both the IRS and the public have an interest in that information and the corporations will have to bid to suppress it - a very quantifiable and predictable payoff for the seller. Military intelligence relevant to real-time conflicts. Aerospace and defense designs. Evidence relevant to ongoing trials. Unflattering celebrity photos and videos. The complete databases of social media sites like facebook. Proof of government corruption. Close to an election. - See more at: http://slur.io/#sthash.OsHtOC5o.dpuf" The site appeals for donations and has a crossed out sentence saying production versions will be available in july 2015. Thoughts? -nick

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Kim Dotcom on Politics, TPP, Law, Crypto, Copyright, Endgame, Perseverance
by grarpamp 31 Jul '15

31 Jul '15

Kim Dotcom was the founder of Megaupload, its successor Mega, and New Zealand's Internet Party. A while ago you had a chance to ask him about those things as well as the U.S. government charging him with criminal copyright violation and racketeering. Below you'll find his answers to your questions... http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/27/200204/interviews-kim-dotcom-answers…

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William Friedman's 1955 Crypto AG visit reports draft and final redactions
by John Young 30 Jul '15

30 Jul '15

William Friedman's 1955 draft Crypto AG visit report shows text redacted in final version and vice versa. Two versions compared: <https://t.co/YYfkpltTYc>https://cryptome.org/2015/07/nsa-crypto-ag-compared.pdf (20MB)

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Re: Open Fabs
by Softy 30 Jul '15

30 Jul '15

> > IMO the same kind of radical transparency should apply to all > > industrial processes that pose large potential hazards to public > > health & safety, i.e. nuclear power stations, transgenic > > agriculture, etc. > > > Are you crazy? The terrists would use the information > against the good guys. > > > It seems very quickly an OpenFab plant will need to implement the same security as a current conventional plant. This will of necessity include keeping out plebs/civilians/non-plant workers. And there you go again not knowing whose doing what within the plant. Unless you happen to be on the inside ...

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Re: Open Fabs
by Softy 30 Jul '15

30 Jul '15

> It's not DIY. It's many similarly thinking Y's coming together to DI. > Eventually you'll reach beyond any given initial fledgling "hobby > class" goalposts. Nothing unusual or unachievable there. > > Honestly, a good model for acquiring capital for a radical idea, one could do worse than to consult SeaSheapard - half dozen plus fleet navy of multiple multi-million dollar ships with expensive operations costs. EarthFirst isn't as capital intense, but good at putting the limited capital into direct action.

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US Gov Orders Internet To Rat Out Its [Innocent] Users
by grarpamp 30 Jul '15

30 Jul '15

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/senate-advances-secret-plan-forc… https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/lawmakers-want-inter… http://www.burr.senate.gov/press/releases/senate-intelligence-committee-adv… The Senate Intelligence Committee secretly voted on June 24 in favor of legislation requiring e-mail providers and social media sites to report suspected terrorist activities. The legislation, approved 15-0 in a closed-door hearing, remains "classified." The relevant text is contained in the 2016 intelligence authorization...

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True Crypt is Not Secure
by Yush Bhardwaj 30 Jul '15

30 Jul '15

BitLocker is better or I should try something else ? WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/05/true-goodbye-using-truecrypt-is-not-secu… http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ *Yush Bhardwaj*

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