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Cypherpunks Charter
by Stephen D. Williams 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

(Apologies for rehashing this, but it seems a good time to make another pass at consensus.) This is how I always thought about the Cypherpunks charter: Cypherpunks exists to promote free speech, establish that free speech includes the freedom to have secure private speech, and to explore how this can be accomplished. In support of this, to understand implications of technology-enabled free speech and the technical, commercial, and political moves needed to protect free speech. While the Cypherpunk Manifesto focuses mainly on predicting how the then-new ideas might play out, it is very thin on clarity of what should happen and what roles those present should play. I think that was intentional and strategic. It was also written at the beginning of a period of serious conflicts about using encryption at all, public knowledge of encryption and secure methods, export, government access and control boundary exploration, etc. What this does not include is promoting or bashing particular political systems or plotting their demise or constantly going on about insane nonsense. What is your concise summary of Cypherpunks? Can you justify it? What does the above get wrong and why? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-anarchism [2] http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html Recent commentary repeated for coherency, entertainment, and to forestall the need for certain predictable responses: Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some or all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto. Cypherpunks has always straddled a number of areas; exploring the implications of crypto-anarchism is one of them. Even in May's quotes in [1], it isn't necessarily the point to have a collapse of a system as a goal, but to examine it as a possibility. I think the attitude is that if you come to believe that encryption and other security measures must be available, perhaps as an extension of free speech, and those cause weak or broken systems to collapse, then so be it. Some discussion of "* anarchy" isn't really anarchy, it is just maybe anarchy to someone fixated on a fixed definition of their favorite system. Or a signal by someone suggesting such a departure. Any real political anarchy has been a failure. The philosophokiddie cypherpunks are thoroughly punked and parodied in Mr. Robot: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-creator-of-mr-robot-explains-its-hackt… sdw

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New list confirmation (Re: cpunks list relocation imminent (was: Re: moving on))
by Greg Newby 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

As I just wrote, this message should be going out via the *new* server and settings. It's addressed to cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org, as opposed to the regular address, cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org Viva la Resistance! - Greg On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 09:35:04AM -0700, Greg Newby wrote: > Dear cpunks subscribers, > > As discussed on the list last week, Riad S. Wahby is exiting gracefully from hosting the Cypherpunks list at https://cpunks.org > > We have coordinated a transfer of the list to a server I manage, and the configuration appears to be fairly functional. We have put this at cpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org (versus cpunks(a)cpunks.org) > > I will send a test message to the NEW list momentarily, so subscribers will knoow they are getting both. > > Please write back to this list, or directly to me, if you notice any problems or anomalies. The mailman list settings, subscribership, etc. should be the same, except that subscribers since around August 25 are not yet on the new list. > > You can check your list settings and view the archives at the new location: https://lists.cpunks.org/ > > Once everything is confirmed to be functional, we will change from the old list to the new list, and update DNS and server records so the old email address and list URL work on the new location. We've set DNS TTL to expire quickly, once the changeover happens. > > Best, > Greg > >

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Why Government Always Gets Cybersecurity Wrong
by Cecilia Tanaka 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

Why Government Always Gets Cybersecurity Wrong https://fee.org/articles/why-government-always-gets-cybersecurity-wrong/ sea sea -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

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Podcast: Ethics and ‘The Zuckerberg Files'
by Cecilia Tanaka 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

Podcast: Ethics and ‘The Zuckerberg Files’ https://iapp.org/news/a/podcast-ethics-and-the-zuckerberg-files/ "In this episode of The Privacy Advisor Podcast, UC Berkeley's Anna Lauren Hoffman discusses her work in data ethics as she explores the intersection of data, technology, and culture. Specifically, the ways the design and use of technology can either help or hinder values like justice and fairness. She also was behind a project called "The Zuckerberg Files." Conceived over drinks at a conference one night, she and her colleagues discussed the fact that it's too bad, for all the insight Facebook has on its users, users don't have the same look at Facebook. So, they decided to grab some research assistants and, well, Facebook Facebook. They grabbed everything Facebook CEO Zuckerberg had ever said publicly, including in interviews, videos, posts on his own wall, etc. The result is a stunning digital archive, illustrating the narrative Zuckerberg repeats and repeats, and the effect that may have on public consciousness." sea sea -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

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Re: New list confirmation (Re: cpunks list relocation imminent
by dan＠geer.org 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

I have stopped reading this list for one reason: the number of messages. Arrivederci

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Philosophokiddies
by PhiloKing 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

> Some wannabe philosopher: > philosophokiddies Reading philosophy doesn't make you a philosopher. Thinking does. Fucker.

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Pork Rind Disco
by DillPickles 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

Chicharones. > Cecilia Tanaka: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torresmo Statement from link: "In many ancient cultures, animal fats were the only way of obtaining oil for cooking and it was common in many people's diet until the industrial revolution made vegetable oils more common and more affordable." + "Vegetable" oil is not from vegetables but from grain (grass seed). + Unsaturated fats oxidize (rancidify) in the body, causing inflammation. - Polyunsaturated fats (fish & seed) oxidize more. - Monounsaturated fats (avocado & olive) oxidize less. + Saturated fats (coconut & bacon) drive serum cholesterol levels. + Cholesterol is needed to produce steroidal hormones to keep you alive and functioning. WTF, since we be made from monounsaturated and saturated fats? Eat avocado on your sprouted whole grain sourdough BLT, fuckers. An unhealthful and unhappy cpunk is a useless one. Dill Pickles.

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Fuck Google
by YoungSole 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

> Cecilia Tanaka: > There are lots of awesome people [at] Google Fuck every last one of them. ------- Mothafuck Google They colonized the internet Gave us free shit We were the mothafuckin' product Not cuz it's a monopoly It's bigger than a country Something like the modern version of the Dutch East India Trading company They're like a drug dealer Wanna give you some crack Next thing you're hooked They're selling more than your ass Every Click Everything you read Everything you type Terms of service You didn't even read It's not a search engine Or an advertising agency They put toys in a cell Analyze you like a rat in a laboratory I hate Facebook I think it's the devil But Google's a megalomaniac On a whole 'nother level They bought General Dynamics And went big on robots Fucking with Blackwater Military Entertainment Complex Then they bought Deep Mind A sophisticated AI Why these mothafuckaz need to do facial recognition in real time? Whaddup with the Pentagon? And the NSA? We'll never know That shit's classified It don't take a super genius To see the writing on the wall They wanna rule the world They colonized us all 'Do no evil' is your motto Yet you didn't say Nathan When them pigs in the sky Turned y'all into a global data mining operation Ray Kurzweil misses his daddy He wanna bring him back Google immortality What kind of life is that? Fuck off with your Google Plus Ain't nobody want that shit Hats off to y'all for removing that crap from my mothafuckin' search results And Google Glass Merging man with mech Everything you see and feel Is mined and sold and catered and pimped A postmodern kingdom You build as you breathe Automate the labor Let the humans be free They built a new caste system Humans at the bottom The housing crash A bad algorithm Drones in the field Who's responsible for war crimes? The pilot or the president? Or the programmer that created its mind? They bought Nest Labs And their "intelligent thermostats" But it ain't about temperature They wanna learn your behavior In the wake of Occupy Oakland They offered to build with the city A trans-opticon that can link your license plate to your online identity We ain't living like slaves More like serfs at the tower If corporations are people No one man should have all that power Self-driving cars Google Play They own seven billion in housing bonds Three billion in public utilities Look at Detroit Now look at the world You don't gotta be an astrophysicist to see it Fuck Google Mothafuck Google -Sole

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WaveNet: A Generative Model for Raw Audio
by grarpamp 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

https://deepmind.com/blog/wavenet-generative-model-raw-audio/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12455510

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MainStream Media <-> Western Regime Media
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Being a fan of accurate naming of those things within our present shared common delusion, perhaps we ought consider a new term besides "MSM"? ** 'Mainstream' Is a Misnomer, What You're Reading Is Regime Media http://russia-insider.com/en/mainstream-misnomer-what-youre-reading-regime-… ------------------------------------------------------------ by Marko Marjanović on Wed, Sep 7, 2016 Here's a mental exercise for you. First think of any issue of grave importance for the Washington establishment. Then ask yourself if US mainstream media was state-run would its coverage of it be any different from what it is now?Think about it, on the domestic front the big hitters continue to say that the economy is doing fine and the post-2008 recovery was great even as real people flock to protest candidates Trump and Sanders in record numbers.On the foreign policy side the media is more or less sweeping the Saudi war in Yemen under the rug by offering only very occassional and subdued critique -- which happens to mimick the reservations White House holds about this greatest humanitarian disaster of the present in private. http://russia-insider.com/en/mainstream-misnomer-what-youre-reading-regime-…

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