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Even spookier entangled particles.
by jim bell 21 Sep '16

21 Sep '16

https://www.yahoo.com/news/entangled-particles-reveal-even-spookier-action-… [partial quote] Sorry, Einstein: It looks like the world is spooky — even when your most famous theory is tossed out.This finding comes from a close look at quantum entanglement, in which two particles that are "entangled" affect each other even when separated by a large distance. Einstein found that his theory of special relativity meant that this weird behavior was impossible, calling it "spooky."Now, researchers have found that even if they were to scrap this theory, allowing entangled particles to communicate with each other faster than the speed of light or even instantaneously, that couldn't explain the odd behavior. The findings rule out certain "realist" interpretations of spooky quantum behavior. [Infographic: How Quantum Entanglement Works]"What that tells us is that we have to look a little bit deeper," said study co-author Martin Ringbauer, a doctoral candidate in physics at the University of Queensland in Australia. "This kind of action-at-a-distance is not enough to explain quantum correlations" seen between entangled particles, Ringbauer said. Action at a distance Most of the time, the world seems — if not precisely orderly — then at least governed by fixed rules. At the macroscale, cause-and-effect rules the behavior of the universe, time always marches forward and objects in the universe have objective, measurable properties. But zoom in enough, and those common-sense notions seem to evaporate. At the subatomic scale, particles can become entangled, meaning their fates are bizarrely linked. For instance, if two photons are sent from a laser through a crystal, after they fly off in separate directions, their spin will be linked the moment one of the particles is measured. Several studies have now confirmed that, no matter how far apart entangled particles are, how fast one particle is measured, or how many times particles are measured, their states become inextricably linked once they are measured.For nearly a century, physicists have tried to understand what this means about the universe. The dominant interpretation was that entangled particles have no fixed position or orientation until they are measured. Instead, both particles travel as the sum of the probability of all their potential positions, and both only "choose" one state at the moment of measurement. This behavior seems to defy notions of Einstein's theory ofspecial relativity, which argues that no information can be transmitted faster than the speed of light. It was so frustrating to Einstein that he famously called it "spooky action at a distance." To get around this notion, in 1935, Einstein and colleagues Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen laid out a paradox that could test the alternate hypothesis that some hidden variable affected the fate of both objects as they traveled. If the hidden variable model were true, that would mean "there's some description of reality which is objective," Ringbauer told Live Science. [Spooky! The Top 10 Unexplained Phenomena]Then in 1964, Irish physicist John Stewart Bell came up with a mathematical expression, now known as Bell's Inequality, that could experimentally prove Einstein wrong by proving the act of measuring a particle affects its state.In hundreds of tests since, Einstein's basic explanation for entanglement has failed: Hidden variables can't seem to explain the correlations between entangled particles.But there was still some wiggle room: Bell's Inequality didn't address the situation in which two entangled photons travel faster than light.[end of partial quote]

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on communication - [zen at freedbms.net: Re: [geany/geany] fails to open Microsoft UTF-16LE file (MSO Word CUSTOM.DIC dictionary file) (#1238)]
by John Newman 21 Sep '16

21 Sep '16

> Sean Lynch: > we already knew social skills > weren't [Zen's] strong suit. > Cecilia Tanaka: > Zen will say you are "bullying". > I [don't] care about his opinion. Because you two do more than cry and use lots of useless words. Stupid fuckers. Bullies XD

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what is a traitor?
by Zenaan Harkness 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

Some good points being raised, on sl1shd()t no less: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/09/18/2023216/assange-agrees-to-us-prison… What is a traitor? When is it appropriate to label someone a traitor? When is doing so, an attempt at manipulative propaganda? This reply, amongst others, is on point: > 1. Loyalty to country / oath = precisely not ignoring illegal actions. > > 2. Doesn't really matter what her initial motivation was - she could > have done it because she was a dirty racist who didn't like the > President's color, for all I care. > > 2. Give evidence that she did it "deliberately, willfully to hurt > [her] nation" please. > > She didn't seriously injure her country or try to destabilise it > or encourage war against it. She did not cooperate with a foreign > nation. She was acquitted of "aiding the enemy". To stick the > "traitor" label on her is ridiculous. > > (Also, to stubbornly stick with "him" suggests you're not really > interested in facts and are emtionally clouded.)

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Xorcist = Coderman
by Rudy 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

> xorcist: > no one talks crypto All these read like Patrick from risky.biz, yo. Yo Yo. Did I say Yo!

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On the Church of Secrets
by grarpamp 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/09/19/assange-manning-and-snowden-st… how classified documents function as a tangible object that symbolizes a bond among those who are inside this secret network, in a similar way that “many religions and cults imbue their priestly class with additional scarcity value by keeping their religious texts secret from the public or the lower orders of the devoted”. Like Manning, these patriots of the Internet generation pledged allegiance to trust in the common man, reminding us of a kinship that binds us all together, regardless of religion

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SE: Appeal Court on Assange Detention
by grarpamp 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

https://cryptome.org/2016/09/se-assange-16-0916.pdf Meanwhile, Ecuador reaffirms its political asylum for Assange, which you can find to read elsewhere. People say Ecuador is nice weather and fine place to holiday.

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UK: Lauri Love Extradition to US
by grarpamp 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/usa-v-love-judgment…

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Xorcist = Coderman
by rooty 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

Empty Message

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SHA-3 and GOST-R/Stribok
by xorcist＠sigaint.org 19 Sep '16

19 Sep '16

Anyone know of some good reference material comparing and contrasting these hash functions? >From what I know of the mathematics, they are quite unrelated, and it should be very difficult to make inferences about inputs by looking at their comparative outputs, but I'd love to see some work in this regard, if there is any out there. I have an application where it would be best to use two hash functions, but I'd like to make sure there is some "orthogonality" there.

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[WAR] Julian Assange: 1,700 Hillary Clinton emails prove she sold weapons to ISIS in Syria
by Zenaan Harkness 19 Sep '16

19 Sep '16

War, war, war . . . and more war! And anyway, what's the problem with a few 10s of thousands of weapons to moderate child-head chopping wahhabi islamists anyway?!! Tell me --that--, hey?!! Bah ... sovereign nations and all that international law shite - just who do they (anyone who's not the USA) -think- they are?!!!!! Running elections just like the USA, selling oil just like the USA, maintaining multi-decade relationships with their Russian partners just like the USA ... whoops, ahh, may be not that one - perhaps there's a problem there... now you just can't go running around for decades pretending you are national friends with Russia now, can you? Surely not? That would be like, treason to the hegemony or something. Well at least the CIA are professionals at running coups, overturning governments and all that - never miss a Turkish beat I hear, hint hint, nudge nudge - but don't go telling anyone now, snigger snigger... What? "Our" coups are starting to not succeed you tell me? Like, as in, fail like? W T F ??? !> !!? ? !@# !@#??!@#?!@# !@!! ?? B????? AAAAARRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAWWWWWWSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!! Guess our last chance for world war 3 is the South China Sea then eh? (Psst, don't go telling anyone now, heh!) Julian Assange says “1,700 emails in Hillary Clinton’s collection” proves she sold weapons to ISIS in Syria http://theduran.com/julian-assange-says-1700-emails-hillary-clintons-collec…

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