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Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by Temple OS User 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

> g2s g2s at wiseup.net > Thu Dec 7 12:05:26 PST 2017 > > bitcoin network uses electricity > In 18 months, we'll all be dead. > "muh planet" > You faggot. Using electricity isn't going to "destroy" the planet. Do you even know what energy is? Or how the flat earth spins? [pic related]

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What is consensus?
by Temple OS User 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

> Mirimir mirimir at wiseup.net > Fri Dec 8 09:04:06 PST 2017 > > voting is not consensus > You are incorrect, sir. Similar to 'consentire': 'con' - a variant of 'com' meaning 'with' 'sentire' - a variant of 'sēnsus' meaning 'to feel' Literally 'with sense' or 'in agreement'. To join in "agreement" is to express what is essentially a vote. Hence the term "Vote with your wallet", which I am sure many anon here do. Reminder: All art is political; everything is art. -anon

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Cryptos Take Action Against US Senate Bill S.1241
by grarpamp 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

US Senate Bill S.1241 to Criminalize Concealed Ownership of Bitcoin, P2P Trading of Personal Amounts, Etc https://www.reddit.com/search?q=s.1241 https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7iey6q/us_senate_bill_s1241_to_cr… https://hn.algolia.com/?query=s.1241 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15833440 https://www.bing.com/search?q=senate+s.1241 The entire cryptocurrency space is rightly against this one. And these slopes won't stop at just cryptocurrency, it's another whack eventually tilting back at crypto itself. Pick up the phone, write your mails, and join in the fray. Kill Bill.

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What is consensus?
by Edward Low 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

There is a question I would like to send to the list and get some feedback. As far as I was told, consensus is a way to reach a decision without the need of voting, so there is no majority nor minority, no one can impose their ways even if they are majority so no lobby and no forcing. Clearly, education is needed for that, so everyone understands the need of giving up a little bit in order to make it work for the common project. Lately I've been seeing consensus described as voting system, with majorities and minorities. My english is short, so maybe there is a word to describe consensus as a no-voting system to reach a common solution? Thanks E. Low -- Edward Low edwardlow(a)riseup.net Libertalia (Madagascar)

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Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by g2s 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

From offlist. I REALLY WISH the server admin would mask source addresses of posters. -------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71(a)gmail.com> Date: 12/7/17 5:08 PM (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g2s(a)riseup.net> Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:58:22 -0800 g2s <g2s(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > The scumbag said we are still waiting for you to show that you able to calculate how much energy is used instead of posting click bait garbage what's the problem? You don't know basic arithmetic? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/bitcoins-insane-energy-consumpt… Rr

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Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by Edward Low 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

True, not really rumour but supposition "Bitcoin COULD consume [...]" El 08/12/17 a las 01:19, g2s escribió: > I dont see where this is a rumor. > > Rr > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Edward Low <edwardlow(a)riseup.net> > Date: 12/7/17 4:16 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org > Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet > > This Denmark-energy rumour comes from this article, if i'm not wrong: > > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/aek3za/bitcoin-could-consume-as-… > > P.D: Leave out > fights-promotion-BTC-core-segwit-cash-gold-unlimited-bla-bla-bla from > the list please... > > > El 08/12/17 a las 01:12, Steven Schear escribió: >> The Bitcoin Core mining can remain profitable using up to at least 24 >> TWh annually. That said, as the periodic halvings reduce awards the >> fees, which are already to high to make it useful for commerce, may >> soon make it problematic for investment. >> >> Bitcoin Cash is up to 8 times more energy efficient and Bitcoin >> Unlimited blockchains could be >> efficient yet. >> >> On Dec 7, 2017 12:05 PM, "g2s" <g2s(a)riseup.net >> <mailto:g2s@riseup.net>> wrote: >> >> Bitcoin. A gambling game only a capitalist scumbag would play. >> Tim May was wrong. Btc IS NOT the future. It's a dead end leading >> to a dead planet. >> >> The bitcoin computer network currently uses as much electricity >> as Denmark. In 18 months, it will use as much as the entire >> United States. >> >> https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/ >> <https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/> >> >> Rr >> >> >

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Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by g2s 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

Bitcoin. A gambling game only a capitalist scumbag would play. Tim May was wrong. Btc IS NOT the future. It's a dead end leading to a dead planet. The bitcoin computer network currently uses as much electricity as Denmark. In 18 months, it will use as much as the entire United States. https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/ Rr

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Germany Preparing Law for Backdoors in Any Type of Modern Device
by Cecilia Tanaka 06 Dec '17

06 Dec '17

Germany Preparing Law for Backdoors in Any Type of Modern Device # https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/germany-preparing-law-for-… "Hack Back" is becoming so fashion... :P # https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/10/16632724/scam-chatbot-ai-email-rescam-n… # https://www.rescam.org/ Take care, dear all! Kisses and hugs! <3 Ceci ------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison

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[OT] “Happiness” + Bonus 1 & 2
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

# “Happiness” - Brutal, heart-breaking, but deeply sincere and beautiful critics of our society. It takes only a few minutes and is more disturbing than we would like. https://vimeo.com/244405542 # Bonus 1: "Batman Ninja" Trailer (Japanese, with English subtitles). I am very curious, I confess! :D https://youtu.be/nXsWXgOJ0Q8 #Bonus 2: God, there is a "Flat Earth Society"!!! I am shocked, eeck!!! :-o https://www.boredpanda.com/flat-earth-society-mars-answer-elon-musk and https://9gag.com/gag/abzwNe9 (lovely post! <3) Wish you all a lovely weekend, full of warm hopes, peace, and happiness! <3 Ceci ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison

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10 awkward cryptocurrencies
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

10 awkward cryptocurrencies https://www.cryptomartez.com/2017/12/10-awkward-cryptocurrencies.html <https://www.cryptomartez.com/2017/12/10-awkward-cryptocurrencies.html> Wish you all a fun day! <3 c. ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison

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