I received a nice message today from Mitch Ratcliffe (I misspelled his name in my earlier post to C-punks) re my posting of the sidebars from his AOCE article. I'm not forwarding his E-mail as I was raised to consider that impolite :), but feel safe in summarizing thus: 1. There are a number of weaknesses in AOCE, but it is also a step forward in some senses. Discussion/elaboration of these weaknesses is precluded by space limitations of MacWeek, as well as other trade or mainstream magazines. 2. Editing for space accounts for some lack of detail in the sidebars; they are also intended for a general audience. Mitch suggests Apple as a source of further technical information re AOCE, and mentions a talk given by Gursharan Sidhu at the Apple Worldwide Developers' Conference in May, in which Sidhu suggests the government should be able to crack a system's security in some cases. Sidhu is the technical director of collaboration systems development at Apple. Mitch's e-mail address is godsdog@netcom.com; I've written back asking for clarification about other points raised in the article. -- Greg Broiles greg@goldenbear.com Golden Bear Computer Consulting +1 503 342 7982 Box 12005 Eugene OR 97440 BBS: +1 503 687 7764