For purely practical reasons, could we all please try to limit stuff that'd end up on soda.berkeley.edu in the "rants" directory? ;-) This is a MAILING LIST, not a newsgroup, and some of us have pretty limited space available. Debating constitutional issues, splitting hairs over the difference between libertarianism and anarchism (let ALONE "strong" vs. "weak" anarchy!) is best done in an alt.politics-type setting, no? I didn't subscribe to the list to see 7-level-deep nested quotes arguing over whether anarchy is fundamentally unstable; I suspect most others on the list didn't either. As I understood, and understand, the thrust of the group deals with the TECHNOLOGY and TECHNIQUES involved in the application of cryptography to privacy-related issues and the free distribution of "information", whether dirty pictures, money, or a poem you just wrote to your loved one. NOT the philosophy. Please, for bandwidth's sake, would people please take their back-n-forth's.... *private*?! ;-) (pun fully intended) (deep breath, relax shoulder tension, stepping down from soapbox) Thanks, y'all. I feel much better now. Andrew