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Re: Another BBS Seizure in Hartford
by George A. Gleason 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

Bombs & bulletin boards: the news media regularly mention the name of the chemical used to stinkbomb abortion clinics, and the composition of the world trade center bomb. So it seems to me a decent defense could be made on the grounds of "selective prosecution" since after all, juveniles can always tune in the news and learn how to make bad things. Well...? -gg

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differential cryptanalysis
by Timothy Newsham 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

Hi, Does anyone have code that implements differential cryptanalysis of DES like systems? I'd be most interested in seeing something that will find the key of a DES system with less than 16 rounds. Tim

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Only Pretty Good
by an31144＠anon.penet.fi 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

>> Derek Atkins Said: > Secondly, regarding "whom do you trust": Do you trust Phil Z? As far > as I know (and granted, its not much, yet), Phil Z is going to oversee > the commercial product, to make sure that nothing is put into it. >>>> If Phil says that the commercial PGP is OK, I will believe him. >>>> Dan Odom It's worth re-reading the PGP docs again to re-establish the fact that _Phil_ only rated PGP as Pretty Good Privacy. I trust that appraisal and believe it to be accurate. I do not expect that the commercial product will be appreciably better or worse.

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Another BBS Seizure in Ha
by Duncan Frissell 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com PLEASE CROSS POST AT WILL R >The Hartford Courant on August 5, 1993 (page b-4) stated that a 21 R >year old computer BBS operator was arrested for maintaining a computer R >bulletin board that had a bomb making recipe. R > R >Michael Elansky was charged by the West Hartford police with inciting R >injury to persons or property - a felony charge - and risk of injury R >to a minor. R > R >He was held in lieu of $500,000 bond (in CT the bond for a person R >accused of murder is normally $100,000) I just spoke to his mother Elaine and Michael himself from jail via the miracle of call waiting. She is establsihing a defense fund. Please send money: Michael Elansky Defense Fund P. O. Box West Hartford, Connecticut 06117 Duncan Frissell --- ~ WinQwk 2.0b#0 ~ Unregistered Evaluation Copy

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Another BBS Seizure in Ha
by Duncan Frissell 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Please crosspost --- ~ WinQwk 2.0b#0 ~ Unregistered Evaluation Copy

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AT&T Home Security Plus
by George A. Gleason 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

Today I got a most interesting call from a phone solicitor, who said that he was with AT&T and they were going to be hosting a demo of an AT&T home security system on my block and was I interested in attending. I told him about Clipper and asked if the AT&T home burglar alarms came along with backdoors allowing various govt agents and burglars to sneak in. Somehow the discussion shifts to PGP vs. Clipper, and the caller asks if I've got a handle (I told him my email address, which was Really Dumb) and then he asks if I'm into pirating or anything... of course I'm not, and said so.... Somewhere along the line I entirely forgot to ask how the hell he got any idea what block I lived on, since my residence address information is something I take great pains to protect. And then it occurred to me... perhaps Something Else is also going on...? Like, "are you into pirating...?" Hmmm... I never even thought about that at the time, but if anyone else out there gets a call like this, it might be worth some follow-up research... -gg

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Internet: commercial or n
by Duncan Frissell 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com L.>In the current situation, all the government bureacrats fire off L.>messages that `even though your message can travel on commercial nets L.>only, there is no way of guaranteeing that it does not cross public L.>networks, therefore it must abide by NSF Internet Use Policies.' To which I fire back: "Since you consider it OK for Internet to carry pictures of naked men, women, children, and animals as well as text (tiny) sex and such kink as alt.fan.bill.gates, you have to put up with *our* ideas of the sorts of activities that consenting adults can engage in online. I'm sick and tired of this discrimination against commercial intercourse." Duncan Frissell Who practices commercial activities every day on the Internet and is not ashamed to admit it. --- ~ WinQwk 2.0b#0 ~ Unregistered Evaluation Copy

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Re: Another BBS Seizure i
by Duncan Frissell 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com R > Does this mean I can be arrested for mentioning the fact that dry R >ice and water put into an empty 2-liter bottle of Coke makes a nice R >explosion? No but it *does* mean that you can be busted for saying that if you mix ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel in a 19 to 1 ratio, you can blow up the World Trade Center. It's a good thing that I never said that. Duncan Frissell Who knows things much more dangerous to the government than explosives and will reveal all for a small fee. --- WinQwk 2.0b#0

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Re: AT&T Home Security Plus
by doug＠netcom.com 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

"George A. Gleason" <gg(a)well.sf.ca.us> said: >Somehow the discussion shifts to PGP vs. Clipper, and the caller asks if >I've got a handle (I told him my email address, which was Really Dumb) and >then he asks if I'm into pirating or anything... of course I'm not, and said >so.... >Somewhere along the line I entirely forgot to ask how the hell he got any >idea what block I lived on, since my residence address information is >something I take great pains to protect. >And then it occurred to me... perhaps Something Else is also going on...? The term "handle", as well as the fact that this person could say anything even slightly knowledgeable about any computer related subject, points to him being a hobbyist who frequents BBS's. ("Handle" is pretty much not used in newsgroups, nor have I run into it on muds, but it is very widely used in BBS circles.) Telephone soliciting is generally a minimum wage job, although in high price sales "professional" salespeople are used who get a commission. Even if you assume a conspiracy of some sort, there isn't any reason for the company to make a particular effort to use someone more knowledgeable for cold calling. The question about pirating probably arose because it has always been a very frequent topic of conversation on BBS's. The caller himself might be a pirate; that would be my first guess. As for knowing your address, phone companies sell phone books that are reverse-indexed by address. Companies use these for cold-calling because they can pick out more affluent neighborhoods and skip e.g. ghetto areas where a call might be a waste of time or even worse. Generally "taking great pains" to protect information about your address doesn't guarantee that you are successful; I've heard that some of these sales-tool phone books have more information in them than is released to the public in the usual phone books. Perhaps they cross-reference with mailing lists. I could believe that there's a backdoor built into home security systems, if I could figure out how they would make use of it. Sell the info to organized crime for the purpose of burglary, perhaps? A little paranoid considering you're talking about AT&T. How would they be able to implement such a thing and still keep it secret? Or in cahoots with the FBI/CIA/NSA? Doesn't make sense; if spooks want to get into someone's house, they can do so in any number of ways, they needn't risk a large scale conspiracy, which would only pay off on the very small percentage of homes that used AT&T's system in particular. And regardless of that, again, even if there's a conspiracy, there's just no reason to let the phone solicitors in on it. All they need to do is build a backdoor into the security system and then do everything else aboveboard. Calling people up and hoping to catch someone in the admission of being a pirate during a sales pitch is just ludicrous. Doug

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Re: Physical security lapses will getcha every time.
by markh＠wimsey.bc.ca 28 Aug '93

28 Aug '93

> > Fact Two: That's why you won't see messages from me either (a.) > signed with PGP, or (b.) encrypted with PGP from any of my other > e-mail accounts. All are UNIX (open) environments and I don't like > the implications of the possibilities of my secret key being exposed, > even if I do trust the folks I work with. Call me a schizoid. Of course, this doesn't make the UNIX versions of PGP useless. There is absolutely no reason why you can't run your own personal Unix box. Really all you need is a 386 machine with Linux or 386BSD. The nice thing about the UNIX/Linux setup, is that you can still use all the UNIX tools to send/receive encrypted mail (your favourite mail user agent+pgp/ripem+UUCP+sendmail/smail) in a convenient way without messing with MSDOS. Mark -- Mark Henderson markh(a)wimsey.bc.ca (personal account) RIPEM key available by key server/finger/E-mail MD5OfPublicKey: F1F5F0C3984CBEAF3889ADAFA2437433

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