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Re: Apple planning to use Clipper chip?
by nate＠rodin.VIS.ColoState.EDU 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

>5. Therefore, for a standard to emerge on the Mac... 1) Apple would have to >begin producing machines that contained this chip; 2) Apple would have to >produce special system software, explicitly for this class of machines, >that used this chip; 3) Apple would have to produce compelling end-user >communications software that used clipper services on this class of machines >and either didn't run at all on earlier hardware, or didn't use clipper >technology. kind of like they put the DSPs in the new macs, and make a new, individualized version o fhte MacOS for EVERY new machine (individualized by the "System Enablers").. and how they make everyone want the new macs because of the speech and video software, that is dependant on the new hardware... Nope, it'll never happen... -nate

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Re: Apple planning to use Clipper chip?
by scott＠Cadence.COM 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

At 12:45 PM 8/30/93 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >My speculation would be that the Clipper/Skipjack/Capstone deal, if it >is happening at all, is some time off. Perhaps for a phone version of >the av Macs (there had been speculation that Apple was planning to use >the on-board DSP hardware for a modem tool, similar to what NeXT has >done with its hardware). The Centris 660av and Quadra 840av are both equiped with the Phone software to allow them to do modem emulation, phone calls (speaker phone), and faxes in software only. If you want more info on this, send me an email and we'll keep it off this list. scott --- Scott Gustafson '93 ZX-11D Pilot (408) 894-3432 Cadence Design Systems, 555 River Oaks Pkwy., San Jose, CA 95134 Internet: scott(a)cadence.com WARNING: This vechile capable of evading high speed pursuit.

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Re: Another BBS Seizure in Hartford
by Peter Wayner 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

BTW, there is a story in today's NYT about a poor, French kid who watched McGiver make a bomb in the TV show and then decided to "try this at home." He was killed. Now his family has filed a nice, big law suit. The guy on the show made the bomb with sugar and some kind of fertilizer or other stuff. -Peter

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Re: Another BBS Seizure in Hartford
by Reply to: hahn＠lds.loral.com 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

So this fellow was arrested because one of his BBS clients posted the bomb recipes on his BBS? This makes for a viable means of destroying somebody else's means of info distribution. Say XYZ-BBS attracts clients who are interested in some political viewpoint that I oppose. I would subscribe, pretending to share their interests, then post bomb recipes. I could facilitate my treachery even further by making a call to the appropriate authorities, warning them of a political terrorism conspiracy. XYZ-BBS is destroyed. If I then inform the press, I can also publicly impeach the entire group. BTW, you don't need _The Anarchist's Cookbook_ to make a bomb. I have a US Gubment (DOD special forces) book that provides enough recipes to produce mountains of mayhem. And you can find most of the materials you need in stores that would be present in any small town. What law would it violate to post what the gubment has already published? __ | (V) | "Tiger gotta hunt. Bird gotta fly. | (^ (`> | Man gotta sit and wonder why, why, why. | ((\\__/ ) | Tiger gotta sleep. Bird gotta land. | (\\< ) der Nethahn | Man gotta tell himself he understand." | \< ) | | ( / | Kurt Vonnegut Jr. | | | | ^ |

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by Mandrake＠f1.n8012.z86.toadnet.org 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

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Re: Apple planning to use Clipper chip?
by collins＠newton.apple.com 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

I do not, in any capacity, speak for Apple. But... >Apple even discussed the >pricing and said that if the Clipper/Skipjack chip could be sold to >them for less than $30, they could "design it into every Mac." Based on long experience with Macs and Mac software (system and otherwise), I think this is highly unlikely. 1. Apple has a history of following the 'software only' approach in general. 2. Apple loudly and often touts compatability across its entire line. 3. 3rd party Mac developers have little incentive to write software with mass appeal (e.g., communications software) but limited applicability (because of hardware requirements). 4. If the software isn't pre-installed in your system, then unless it comes from Microsoft, such a 'questionable' standard is probably avoidable. 5. Therefore, for a standard to emerge on the Mac... 1) Apple would have to begin producing machines that contained this chip; 2) Apple would have to produce special system software, explicitly for this class of machines, that used this chip; 3) Apple would have to produce compelling end-user communications software that used clipper services on this class of machines and either didn't run at all on earlier hardware, or didn't use clipper technology. It is unlikely that a 3rd party would do it, or have any impact if it did. But Apples history is scalable software that runs on every machine (ala QuickTime). If Apple wanted to introduce privacy enhancement technology in its system, it seems economically and historically more probable that it would simply license RSA/DES/etc technology and roll in a software only service. This is my opinion, based solely on my nine years of experience as Macintosh developer. To paraphrase Columbo: "It's my experience, sir, that people rarely do things they don't *usually* do." ...which may sound obvious, but then you *saw* the killer do it in the first 10 minutes... Scott Collins | "Few people realize what tremendous power there | is in one of these things." -- Willy Wonka ......................|................................................ BUSINESS. voice:408.862.0540 fax:974.6094 collins(a)newton.apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. 1 Infinite Loop, MS 301-2C Cupertino, CA 95014 ....................................................................... PERSONAL. voice/fax:408.257.1746 1024:669687 catalyst(a)netcom.com

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EXE Encryptor
by Douglas Sinclair 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

Development of the EXE encrypting package that s_duck(a)pinetree.org and I were working on has effectivly stalled. We were unable to wedge DOS at the right level to virtualize an .exe file. Sorry for getting your hopes up. If anyone wishes to continue the project, please ask s_duck for the existing code. -- PGP 2.3a Key by finger

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Stego for Stegosaurs
by tcmay＠netcom.com 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

> Some of you have asked for more details about the interception of > encrypted digital dinosaurs. Alas, I don't know much more than I .. > S a n d y Frankly, I'm surprised no one has pointed out the obvious solution, so I guess I'll have to. Spielberg and Company clearly needed to protect their transmissions using the "Stego" program of Romana Machado. By packing the real content of the "Jurassic Park" communications into MPEG transmissions of "Barney," the circle would be completed. Just my least significant bit. -Tim -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Note: I put time and money into writing this posting. I hope you enjoy it.

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JURASSIC CRYPTO
by Sandy 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT Reply to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Punksters, Some of you have asked for more details about the interception of encrypted digital dinosaurs. Alas, I don't know much more than I posted. The Cypherpunk in question is still out of the country, to the best of my knowledge. I have no contact information for him. When he gets in touch with me again, I'll suggest he post something about how the satellite feed was compromised. To me, the most important facts are that it could be done and that it was done, not how it was done. (Flame away, technoids.) S a n d y >>>>>> Please send e-mail to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com <<<<<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Privacy issues and how to sell them
by Jamie Jamison 30 Aug '93

30 Aug '93

>From reading the group it seems to me that there is a need for two styles of data encryption. One style would be something similar to DES, it would be a standard cypher and would be used for encrypting items such as the files on your hard disk. The other would be a public key cypher and would be used for communicating between individuals. Now, as far as selling these two concepts goes one thing that might help is to point out the fact that not only is the government untrustworthy, in the sense that they abuse their power, but that they're also incompetent. Americans have an unfortunate tendency, at least in my eyes to, buy into catch-phrases such as "law and order" or "national security" in a completely uncritical fashion. However Americans also mistrust, and rightfully so, the competence of the government, so perhaps we should point out that since the government can't keep its own secrets very well that it obviously can't keep the secrets of 250 million citizens very well either, which is what the government would be attempting to do if SkipJack/Clipper/Capstone were made the national standard for encryption. Jamie Jamison WITH STANDARD DISCLAIMER

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