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Re: Rander box and other stuff
by jordan＠imsi.com 14 Nov '92

14 Nov '92

Hey, I have a PowerBook too, but don't say you're limited to one serial port. You could use the desktop bus, and there are extenders available. I do agree that a parallel box wouldn't do me much good on my Sparc. For a while, my IPX was my "portable" computer, albeit with monitors on both coasts. But the box itself is quite lugable. If I wanted to, I could plug it in along the hallways of airports and use a palmtop with a serial connection to read mail and up/down load ... /jordan

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Rander
by crunch＠netcom.com 14 Nov '92

14 Nov '92

Tom Jennings writes: >Using serial ports is probably not a good idea on PC clones. The IBM >hardware design limits a machine to two ports comfortably, four >practical maximum. Any machine that uses telecomm. (BBSs, etc) will >have to consume the serial hardware, and will interfere with whatever >you have to do. >A good choice would be a parallel port, ie. a printer port. The IBM >design allows 4 or more easily, and rarely do you see a pclone with >more than two printers attached. If there isn't a spare port >available, Fry's sells printer adapters for $19.95. Late-model printer >adapters are 8 bit in and out, and are capable of Ethernet speeds. >The parallel port uses standard busy/done and TTL levels. I already thought of that, but it would make it difficult to work on other platforms. Tom also writes: >A simple driver could simply have say 10,000 bits, and continuously >overwrite the oldest (wrap around the buffer...) This was (and probably still is) my overall intention.

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re: Rander box and other stuff
by Tom.Jennings＠f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG 14 Nov '92

14 Nov '92

U> From: crunch(a)netcom.com (John Draper) U> I think I have a rough description of the hardware U> serial random generator I want to build. I want to call U> it the "Rander box" for lack of a better name. Using serial ports is probably not a good idea on PC clones. The IBM hardware design limits a machine to two ports comfortably, four practical maximum. Any machine that uses telecomm. (BBSs, etc) will have to consume the serial hardware, and will interfere with whatever you have to do. A good choice would be a parallel port, ie. a printer port. The IBM design allows 4 or more easily, and rarely do you see a pclone with more than two printers attached. If there isn't a spare port available, Fry's sells printer adapters for $19.95. Late-model printer adapters are 8 bit in and out, and are capable of Ethernet speeds. The parallel port uses standard busy/done and TTL levels. (For a "universal" serial version, you could internally have the 8 bit busy/done interface drive a UART. I bet simply fixing the data rate to 9600 baud would work.) U> When switched on, and a "cr" (or some other U> character) is sent to it, random bytes will stream out U> continiously. Another "cr" will stop the byte stream. U> At least this is ONE approach. If anyone can think of a U> better way, Pse speak up. I was about to say "prolly not necessary", but others make valid points... XON/XOFF, DTR, etc are all workable... DTR is compat w/serial and parallel too. On a pclone, producing bits continuously is easier. When not in use, the driver will dump bits onto the floor. Fancy (software) drivers could spool the bits into a nice big pile ("every bit is sacred..."). A simple driver could simply have say 10,000 bits, and continuously overwrite the oldest (wrap around the buffer...) --- ReadMail * Origin: tomj(a)fidosw.fidonet.org / World Power Systems (1:125/111) -- Tom Jennings - via FidoNet node 1:125/555 UUCP - ...!uunet!hoptoad!kumr!fidogate!111!Tom.Jennings INTERNET - Tom.Jennings(a)f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

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Re: Rander
by simsong＠next.cambridge.ma.us 14 Nov '92

14 Nov '92

Perhaps I'm just out of the loop, but what do you intend to do with your stream of random numbers? You going to send a tape to your friends under armed guard? Just curious. Oh, I built a hardware random number generator a few years ago for some ESP experiments I was doing. I wanted to see if computer hackers had better odds of affecting the output of a RNG than non-hackers. (You know, the hacker walks into the room and suddenly the broken piece of equipment starts working?) Turns out they can. -simson

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3/3 Cryptography bibliography
by tom.jennings＠f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG 14 Nov '92

14 Nov '92

* Forwarded by Rich Veraa To: All Message #: 367 From: Ed Beroset Submitted: 10 Nov 92 20:41:08 Subject: 3/3 cryptographic bibliog Status: Public Received: ** New Message Read! ** Group: 80XXX (17) -+--- continued from previous message ----- TITLE : Advanced military cryptography / AUTHOR: Friedman, William Frederick, 1891-. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1976. TITLE : Elementary military cryptography / AUTHOR: Friedman, William Frederick, 1891-. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1976. TITLE : Elements of cryptanalysis / AUTHOR: Friedman, William Frederick, 1891-. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1976. TITLE : Statistical methods in cryptanalysis / ED : [Rev. ed.] AUTHOR: Kullback, Solomon. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1976. TITLE : Mathematical recreations & essays / ED : 12th ed. AUTHOR: Ball, Walter William Rouse, 1850-1925. IMPR : Toronto ; Buffalo : University of Toronto Press, [1974] TITLE : Elementary cryptanalysis; a mathematical approach. AUTHOR: Sinkov, Abraham, 1907-. IMPR : [New York] Random House [c1968] -+--- end of listing ----- I think that you'll find there's a lot more useful information out there, just waiting for you at your public library. The U.S. Government can also be a useful source of information, as are trade and technical journals and hobbyist magazines. -> Ed <- --- XAP 1.02+ * Origin: two birds alive and clean, (1:135/907) -- tom jennings - via FidoNet node 1:125/555 UUCP - ...!uunet!hoptoad!kumr!fidogate!111!tom.jennings INTERNET - tom.jennings(a)f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

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1/3 Cryptography bibliography
by tom.jennings＠f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG 14 Nov '92

14 Nov '92

* Forwarded by Rich Veraa To: All Message #: 365 From: Ed Beroset Submitted: 10 Nov 92 20:34:38 Subject: 1/3 cryptographic bibliog Status: Public Received: ** New Message Read! ** Group: 80XXX (17) I'm sorry it took me a little longer than I had anticipated to put together this list, but I think you'll find it worth while. This is a list of books which deal with various aspects of cryptography (including DES, RSA, and many other schemes and topics.) They're organized roughly in reverse chronological order, with newer texts toward the top of the list. TITLE : Cryptography : a new dimension in computer data security : a guide for the design and implementation of secure systems / AUTHOR: Meyer, Carl H. IMPR : New York : Wiley, 1982. TITLE : Traffic analysis and the Zendian problem : an exercise in communications intelligence operations / AUTHOR: Callimahos, Lambros D. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1989. TITLE : Military communications : a test for technology / AUTHOR: Bergen, John D., 1942-. IMPR : Washington, D.C. : Center of Military History, U.S. Army : For sale by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. G.P.O., 1986. TITLE : Principles of secure communication systems / AUTHOR: Torrieri, Don J. IMPR : Dedham, MA : Artech House, c1985. TITLE : Contemporary cryptology : the science of information integrity / IMPR : Piscataway, NJ : IEEE Press, c1992. TITLE : Public-key cryptography : state of the art and future directions : E.I.S.S. workshop, Oberwolfach, Germany, July 3-6 1991 : final report / IMPR : Berlin ; New York : Springer-Verlag, 1992. TITLE : Advances in cryptology--EUROCRYPT '91 : Workshop on the Theory and Application of Cryptographic Techniques, Brighton, UK, April 8-11, 1991 : proceedings / AUTHOR: EUROCRYPT '91 (1991 : Brighton, England) IMPR : Berlin ; New York : Springer-Verlag, c1991. TITLE : United States cryptographic patents, 1861-1989 / ED : [2nd ed.] AUTHOR: Levine, Jack, 1907-. IMPR : Terre Haute, Ind. : Cryptologia, 1991. TITLE : Geometries, codes and cryptography / IMPR : Wien ; New York : Springer-Verlag, c1990. TITLE : Number theory and cryptography / IMPR : Cambridge ; New York : Cambridge University Press, 1990. TITLE : Cryptography : an introduction to computer security / AUTHOR: Seberry, Jennifer, 1944-. IMPR : New York : Prentice-Hall, c1989. TITLE : Codes and cryptography / AUTHOR: Welsh, D. J. A. IMPR : Oxford [Oxfordshire] : Clarendon Press ; New York : Oxford University Press, 1988. TITLE : Crypto users' handbook : a guide for implementors of cryptographic protection in computer systems / IMPR : Amsterdam [The Netherlands] ; New York : North-Holland ; New York, N.Y., U.S.A. : Sole distributors for the U.S.A. and Canada, Elsevier Science Pub. Co., 1988. TITLE : An introduction to cryptology / AUTHOR: Tilborg, Henk C. A. van, 1947-. IMPR : Boston : Kluwer Academic Publishers, c1987. TITLE : Modern cryptology : a tutorial / AUTHOR: Brassard, Gilles, 1955-. IMPR : New York : Springer-Verlag, c1988. TITLE : A course in number theory and cryptography / AUTHOR: Koblitz, Neal, 1948-. IMPR : New York : Springer-Verlag, c1987. TITLE : Cryptology yesterday, today, and tomorrow / IMPR : Norwood, MA : Artech House, c1987. TITLE : Mathematical cryptology for computer scientists and mathematicians / AUTHOR: Patterson, Wayne, 1945-. IMPR : Totowa, N.J. : Rowman & Littlefield, 1987. TITLE : Analysis and design of stream ciphers / AUTHOR: Rueppel, Rainer A., 1955-. IMPR : Berlin ; New York : Springer-Verlag, c1986. TITLE : Primality and cryptography / AUTHOR: Kranakis, Evangelos. IMPR : Stuttgart : Teubner ; Chichester [Sussex] ; New York : Wiley, c1986. -+--- continued next message ----- --- XAP 1.02+ * Origin: the birds round about are against her; (1:135/907) -- tom jennings - via FidoNet node 1:125/555 UUCP - ...!uunet!hoptoad!kumr!fidogate!111!tom.jennings INTERNET - tom.jennings(a)f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG rom fidogate!f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG!tom.jennings(a)kumr.lns.com Fri Nov 13 19:23:59 1992 Return-Path: <fidogate!f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG!tom.jennings(a)kumr.lns.com> Received: from kumr.lns.com by toad.com id AA23114; Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:23:59 PST Received: by kumr.lns.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.3) id <m0mqDhq-0002c1C(a)kumr.lns.com>; Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:57 PST Received: by fidogate.FIDONET.ORG (mailout1.26); Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:42:59 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:56:32 PDT Message-Id: <3616.2B0467B3(a)fidogate.FIDONET.ORG> From: tom.jennings(a)f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (tom jennings) Subject: 2/3 Cryptography bibliography To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com X-Mailer: mailout v1.26 released * Forwarded by Rich Veraa To: All Message #: 366 From: Ed Beroset Submitted: 10 Nov 92 20:34:38 Subject: 2/3 cryptographic bibliog Status: Public Received: ** New Message Read! ** Group: 80XXX (17) RE: 2/3 cryptographic bibliography -+--- continued from previous message ----- TITLE : Two issues in public-key cryptography : RSA bit security and a new knapsack type system / AUTHOR: Chor, Ben-Zion. IMPR : Cambridge, Mass. : MIT Press, c1986. TITLE : Kryptologie / AUTHOR: Horster, Patrick. IMPR : Mannheim : Bibliographisches Institut, c1985. LANG : German TITLE : Machine cryptography and modern cryptanalysis / AUTHOR: Deavours, Cipher A. IMPR : Dedham, MA : Artech House, c1985. TITLE : Cryptanalysis of shift-register generated stream cipher systems / AUTHOR: Barker, Wayne G. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1984. TITLE : Applied cryptology, cryptographic protocols, and computer security models. IMPR : Providence, R.I. : American Mathematical Society, c1983. TITLE : Secure digital communications / IMPR : Wien ; New York : Springer-Verlag, c1983. TITLE : Cipher systems : the protection of communications / AUTHOR: Beker, Henry. IMPR : New York : Wiley, c1982. TITLE : Codes, ciphers, and computers : an introduction to information security / AUTHOR: Bosworth, Bruce. IMPR : Rochelle Park, N.J. : Hayden Book Co., c1982. TITLE : Cryptography and data security / AUTHOR: Denning, Dorothy Elizabeth Robling, 1945-. IMPR : Reading, Mass. : Addison-Wesley, c1982. TITLE : Secure communications and asymmetric cryptosystems / IMPR : Boulder, Colo. : Published by Westview Press for the American Association for the Advancement of Science, 1982. TITLE : Cryptography, a primer / AUTHOR: Konheim, Alan G., 1934-. IMPR : New York : Wiley, c1981. TITLE : The origin and development of the National Security Agency / AUTHOR: Brownell, George A. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, 1981. UNI-TI: Traite de cryptographie. English. TITLE : Treatise on cryptography / AUTHOR: Langie, Andre, 1871-. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1981. TITLE : Cryptanalysis of an enciphered code problem : where an "additive" method of encipherment has been used / AUTHOR: Barker, Wayne G. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1979. UNI-TI: Chifferbyraernas insatser i varldskriget till lands. English. TITLE : The contribution of the cryptographic bureaus in the World War / AUTHOR: Gylden, Yves. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1978. TITLE : The protection of data by crytography / AUTHOR: Davies, (Donald Watts) IMPR : Middlesex : National Physical Laboratory, 1978. TITLE : Cryptanalysis of the Hagelin cryptograph / AUTHOR: Barker, Wayne G. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1977. UNI-TI: Manuale di crittografia. Italian. TITLE : Manual of cryptography / AUTHOR: Sacco, Luigi. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1977. TITLE : Pattern-word list / AUTHOR: Lynch, Frederick D. IMPR : Laguna Hills, Calif. : Aegean Park Press, c1977-. -+--- continued next message ----- --- XAP 1.02+ * Origin: If at first you don't succeed, try, try a bird. (1:135/907) -- tom jennings - via FidoNet node 1:125/555 UUCP - ...!uunet!hoptoad!kumr!fidogate!111!tom.jennings INTERNET - tom.jennings(a)f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

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re: (fwd) A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto?
by Tom.Jennings＠f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG 14 Nov '92

14 Nov '92

U> From: pmetzger(a)shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) U> I don't see what the point of putting out mediocre things U> is at all, given that good things exist. PGP is free U> software. You need a good RSA implementation? There is one U> out there already. Why put out crap when gold is available U> and cheap? I don't think anyone has a desire to put bad things out there. My comments were assuming the real-life context of FidoNet, where we have a need to get people thinking about privacy, security, etc, and our relationships and responsibilities to each other. We *are* using PGP, which seems to be good software. Any "mediocrity" or inherent flaws I was referring to were in key systems, and suchlike. The social environment in FidoNet is completely different from here. There will never be any directed training or committees to define what a "proper" way to handle keys is, and even if there was, the newbie sysop coming online in East Overshoe Alaska wouldn't even hear about it, and would install what s/he finds available on the net. All of our social/technical systems assume this chaotic environment. It makes for some ahem interesting problems, but the robustness and growth and innovation are pretty hot. --- ReadMail * Origin: tomj(a)fidosw.fidonet.org / World Power Systems (1:125/111) -- Tom Jennings - via FidoNet node 1:125/555 UUCP - ...!uunet!hoptoad!kumr!fidogate!111!Tom.Jennings INTERNET - Tom.Jennings(a)f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

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PGP 2.01 2.02
by S.E. Brown 14 Nov '92

14 Nov '92

Where can the latest revisions of PGP be found? Tried the sci.crypt archive site, but the just had 2.0. Can anyone help? BTW, here's my key: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.0 mQCNAirSjlcAAAED/ijVaTjlU62mQdXwxj+bEO3wqdMKkZlRNt1rSi8VOSkeQ0G7 7KbBeINoVCTIi12ax74q7ANhKCga+ZkBxAVTnfSBQZXfFh/5XMxzzqk7NT2fKKlZ /Hrf4cDd8VYgSl6WPhyVO+EpvyZn5HezGLBbryGpCcloSmjBcwd2g1pYVIhjAAUR tCxTLkUuIEJyb3duIDxzaGF3bmJAY3NjaWhwLmVjc3QuY3N1Y2hpY28uZWR1Pg== =Wrv7 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Take You Off
by schwarte＠CS.ColoState.EDU 14 Nov '92

14 Nov '92

> > >> > Are you saying that contributing to this mailing list (let alone > *subscribing* to it) necessarily implies that one is using the PGP > code? > > > If so, take me off. > << > > As a counter to that, would you or Perry necessarily imply that > subscribing to a "KrAcKeR" magazine makes you an evil > "KrAcKeR"? > > Anyway, if you can figure out the unix commands to navigate through > your mail-box, then you should have just enough intelligence > not to have jumped to any short-sided conclusions like the one > you proposed above. > > Then again, I could be wrong. > Then again, you could be missing his (albeit subtly) sarcastic point, which is exactly what you just said. Sheesh.

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re: Take you off
by anthrax＠cow.com 13 Nov '92

13 Nov '92

>> Are you saying that contributing to this mailing list (let alone *subscribing* to it) necessarily implies that one is using the PGP code? If so, take me off. << As a counter to that, would you or Perry necessarily imply that subscribing to a "KrAcKeR" magazine makes you an evil "KrAcKeR"? Anyway, if you can figure out the unix commands to navigate through your mail-box, then you should have just enough intelligence not to have jumped to any short-sided conclusions like the one you proposed above. Then again, I could be wrong.

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