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FINE, BUT NOT HERE
by John.Nieder＠f33.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG 21 Feb '93

21 Feb '93

from: john.nieder(a)f33.n125.z1.fidonet.org * Reply to msg originally in Cypherpunks > [t.c. May] > >I say, let's expand the scope of the Cypherpunks list to include more > >discussion of viruses. > I say, unless it has to do with cryptography, please don't. BK> I too wish to keep cipherpunks BK> clean even though I love viruses and I wish to have a pure thread about BK> applied crypto and anonymity techniques... Roughly my sentiments as well. Virii are interesting, but so are handguns & the Swedish Bikini Team; none belong in CYPHERPUNKS, however, in Mr. Nieder's opinion (which may or may not be humble). JN ... "A dog in a sidecar is always a treat for other motorists." M. Stirner --- Blue Wave/Opus v2.12 [NR] -- John Nieder - via FidoNet node 1:125/555 UUCP - ...!uunet!hoptoad!kumr!fidogate!33!John.Nieder INTERNET - John.Nieder(a)f33.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

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FINE, BUT NOT HERE
by John.Nieder＠f33.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG 21 Feb '93

21 Feb '93

from: john.nieder(a)f33.n125.z1.fidonet.org * Reply to msg originally in Cypherpunks > [t.c. May] > >I say, let's expand the scope of the Cypherpunks list to include more > >discussion of viruses. > I say, unless it has to do with cryptography, please don't. BK> I too wish to keep cipherpunks BK> clean even though I love viruses and I wish to have a pure thread about BK> applied crypto and anonymity techniques... Roughly my sentiments as well. Virii are interesting, but so are handguns & the Swedish Bikini Team; none belong in CYPHERPUNKS, however, in Mr. Nieder's opinion (which may or may not be humble). JN ... "A dog in a sidecar is always a treat for other motorists." M. Stirner --- Blue Wave/Opus v2.12 [NR] -- John Nieder - via FidoNet node 1:125/555 UUCP - ...!uunet!hoptoad!kumr!fidogate!33!John.Nieder INTERNET - John.Nieder(a)f33.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

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Unscribe me
by Christo Delaroderie 21 Feb '93

21 Feb '93

Please remove me from your mailing list. ctd

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Remove from list
by RFORBES＠Gems.VCU.EDU 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

Please remove my name from this list. Interesting stuff but I can't keep up, only signing on 1-2 times a week. Thanks.

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UnSubscribe
by SANDBERG＠GUMBY.BCASD.AZ.HONEYWELL.COM 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

Please remove me from the list. Thanks. sandberg(a)gumby.bcasd.az.honeywell.com

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LIST RULES and Advertising
by Stu Klingman 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

I know my reaction when being hit with the ad was, "Hey! what the fuck is this!?", followed by, "Okay, this person doesn't know any better". If you've been on the net for a while, you'd know that ads are >most< tre gauch. If we really want to resolve the censorship stigma and still be able to ignore the ads, perhaps we could put AD: in front of any ad that was RELEVANT to the list, and then we could filter them out, or not, as the case may be.I've got to admit, the idea of reading ads pertinent to the cypherpunks list intrigues me. Judges?

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WHAT Can we do?
by kelly＠netcom.com 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

OK So I am preparing a posting for alt.activism, misc.activism.prog alt.activism.d and alt.conspiracy, alt.anarchy and alt.society.revolution. As well as alt.native!!. I also plan to spread these postings into peacenet and econet. I plan a Monograph series with titles such as How to get find and use PGP for political and non-technical types. How to use PGP for the Investigative reporter. How to use PGP and a PAX anonymous posting Mechanism to become a whistle blower. Political/Whistleblowing/Investigative uses of David Chaum anonymous networks. 101 Political uses for an Anonymous Remailer How to investigate and expose the investigators safely and easily via use of DC Networks and Investigative Databases. How to digitise Video and Still photos and spread them anonymously via DC style networks and PAX Encrypted Anonymous posting Mechanisms. Ad nauseam, I need volunteers to work on the monograpghs and people to proofread. Some of the soures I am using are the Security, Anonymity and Privacy FAQ parts 1-3. And at present although PAX has been shutdown we can use combinations of multihop anonymnous remailers and sites like the penet site in finland to ensure anonymity. Sites and Volunteers are needed for more remailers, PGP key Servers and PAX anonymous Posting mechanisms --

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Remailer changes
by nowhere＠bsu-cs.bsu.edu 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

After playing around with my .maildelivery file for a while, I figured out how to make messages to the remailer go to it even if nothing in the header indicates that it should be remailed (just the "::" as the first line) and still receive all of my other mail. So, you can use it just like the other Cypherpunks remailers out there now. Could somebody send me the official instructions for another remailer so I can *plagarize* them and save myself some work? :) Thanks in advance. NoWhere Remailer: nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu Chael Hall -- Chael Hall nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu, 00CCHALL(a)BSUVC.BSU.EDU, CHALL(a)CLSV.Charon.BSU.Edu (317) 285-3648 after 5 pm EST

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Free Speech Is Not The Issue, Opression/Harassment Is.
by thug＠phantom.com 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

With regard to the Peterson affair: I am very glad to read all the responses that I have seen both publically on the cypherpunks list, and privately in encouraging letters I have received in mail. I want to write responses to all these great letters, but I have received far too many. I would like to thank all of you who support first ammendment rights, and who have told me that found my virus post informative and useful. However, let us really ask ourselves if free speech is the real issue here. Yes, I know free speech is a major theme that comes out of all this, but I don't think that it's the most imporant one. There are always loonies who wish to yell and hollar about what should be censored. Whether it's on the radio like the FCC/Howard Stern affair, on television, in the movies, on records/tapes/CD's (like Tipper Gore and her gang). Those kinds of people will always exist, and I don't see why people expect them not to exist on Usenet/Internet as well. What *REALLY* pisses me off about Peterson is his use of underhanded tactics like threats, intimidation, and harassment. I don't want to go toe to toe with Peterson, because when it comes to underhanded tactics, I can teach him a thing or two, and make his life a living hell should I decide to do so. Fortunately for him, I am well beyond that adolescent stage and mode of thinking. I think Peterson should realize that there are people out there who can and will retaliate against him should he harass them in any way. Just because so far he has run into compliant and intimidated system admins, doesn't mean his luck will hold up. Eventually he will run into someone who takes this kind of stuff VERY personally, especially if they are awaken from their nap by a harassing and threatening phone call from Peterson. If Peterson keeps up his reign of terror, I would not be surprised if he is not dragged into court one of these days by someone whose personal, moral and financial interests conflict with Peterson's desire to squash free speech. A case can easily be made against Peterson in a court of law for harassment, intimidation, and various civil rights charges having to do with trying to deny others their constitutional rights. And I guarantee you that there will be plenty of system administrators and others who would be happy to testify against him. I recommend to Mr. Peterson that he watch his step in trying to step on other people's constitutional rights. One day he may just step on a land mine. I phrase this in terms that a person in the military could understand. Until such time as Peterson blows his legs off, I think it's up to all of us to guard free speech by telling all system administrators on the net about Peterson and his reign of terror, and asking them to publically expose him each and every time he tries to assault our freedom of speech through threats, initimidation, and harassment. Murdering Thug

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Re: LIST RULES
by deltorto＠aol.com 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

>>_________________________________________________________________ >> FROM THE VIRTUAL DESK OF SANDY SANDFORT >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>[etc. etc.] >>What do others on this list think about "commercial" postings? Sandy, I have to agree with John that it's philosophically inappropriate to discuss non-cryptographic topics on this list. Like many others, I come here to discuss ideas and technical concepts in an intellectual environment and to learn about how to protect everyone's privacy from people who know a hell of a lot more than I do about the mechanics of digital privacy. Anything that deviates from that had better, imho, do it quickly and as an aside to something more in line with the purpose of this list. I think you're respectful of that, and I don't have any _particular_ problem with what you posted, but probably because your msg stuck out _like a sore thumb_ (and thus the hyperbolic characterization of it as 'abuse') from the body of the normal discussion here and because he is a naturally cautious (thank goodness for that!) person, John probably mentioned this to you in the best terse way he knows how. My impression of John is that he is not prone to overreact, but rather that he prefers to deliver a srtaightforward warning with sufficient emphasis to avoid having to do it twice. Please get in touch with those of us who might have responded to your posting through more discrete channels. I sense that we need not discuss this any further here. d2t PS: As an aside to the topic of commercialism, I'd just like to point out what a hell of a nice job Zig is doing with the latest build of MacPGP (2.1e87). Attaboy, Zig!

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