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Remailer test
by M..Stirner＠f28.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG 13 Jul '93

13 Jul '93

Just a quick note to say that I sent out a packet of tests for the remailers via the RBBSnet UUCP gate following the standard Cypherpunks form: To: remailer(a)some.place.edu :: Request-Remailing-To: me(a)my.address.com This is a test of the ... remailer... I sent this message to each of the following: hh(a)pmantis.berkeley.edu hh(a)cicada.berkeley.edu hh(a)soda.berkeley.edu phantom(a)mead.u.washington.edu 00x(a)uclink.berkeley.edu remailer(a)utter.dis.org I received the test message via the remailer(a)utter.dis.org quickly & without problems. I have yet to get the other messages, nearly a week later. With the exception of remailer(a)utter.dis.org, all of these have been habitually unresponsive to regular tests. I have been able to get the soda remaier to work once, & with the efforts of the remailer operator, was able to get the phantom remailer to work once. I have been unable to get the anonymus+info(a)charcoal.com remailer to accept mail after some six attempts. The Charcoal daemon bounces back the messages as coming to an unknown addressee. The Extropia PGPed remailer seems to work well, as does the hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu remailer. Nearly everything else seems very iffy. Which remailers claim to be able to mail directly to newsgroups? ********************************************************************* * <m..stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org> - PGP Key D30909 via servers * * > What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not <* * > warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit <* * > of resistance? Let them take arms!" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 <* ********************************************************************* ... Starve a feeding bureaucrat, vote Libertarian. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -- M. Stirner - via FidoNet node 1:125/1 UUCP: ...!uunet!kumr!shelter!28!M..Stirner INTERNET: M..Stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

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Thesis pointer.
by J. Michael Diehl 13 Jul '93

13 Jul '93

About a month ago, one of the cypherpunks posted that he had just finished his thesis and had put it up for ftp. I have since lost my mailbox and can't even remember who's thesis it was. All I can remember is that I wanted to read it. Can you send me a pointer? Thanx in advance. +-----------------------+-----------------------------+---------+ | J. Michael Diehl ;-) | I thought I was wrong once. | PGP KEY | | mdiehl(a)triton.unm.edu | But, I was mistaken. |available| | mike.diehl(a)fido.org | | Ask Me! | | (505) 299-2282 +-----------------------------+---------+ | | +------"I'm just looking for the opportunity to be -------------+ | Politically Incorrect!" <Me> | +-----If codes are outlawed, only criminals wil have codes.-----+ +----Is Big Brother in your phone? If you don't know, ask me---+

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Re: PGP 2.3 now avail for Intergraph Clipper CPU
by Peter Wayner 13 Jul '93

13 Jul '93

PGP is now available for the Clipper? Now Phil has sold out just like Jim Bidzos! :-) -Peter

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State Departnemt shuts down DEC machine
by In search of cognitive dissonance... 13-Jul-1993 1036 13 Jul '93

13 Jul '93

>This looks annoyingly like a variant of the "initiative" a few years >back where the State Dept. wanted makers of high performance >workstations to export them only in a locked-down configuration >capable of executing only the applications they were originally >purchased to run; compilers need not apply... fortunately, that died >a quick & quiet death. And people wonder why DEC is setting up production lines in both Ireland and Israel to build Alpha chips, and contracting with Kyocera to make them in Singapore as well... It's not export if it never started out in the USA now, is it? :-) [this is my opinion ONLY, and is not necessarily the opinion or strategy of my employer] -Bill

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PGP 2.3 now avail for Intergraph Clipper CPU
by paul＠poboy.b17c.ingr.com 13 Jul '93

13 Jul '93

I recently finished porting and testing PGP 2.3 for the Intergraph Clipper C400 CPU. Anyone interested in getting an executable or source diffs should contact me; I've already sent in the makefile changes to Phil Z, so you can wait until 2.4 if you'd rather. I'm also working on a C400 assembler equivalent of the machine-specific fast math functions.. that should help performance a bit. Of course, this effort is not supported (officially or otherwise) by Integraph, and it's certainly not a product :) -Paul -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | I knew Clinton was _really_ the President when I Intergraph Federal Systems | heard Somalis yelling "Down with Clinton!" on CNN. ** Every day, Jim Meadlock is grateful that I don't speak for Intergraph. **

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ANON: in the news
by Karl Barrus 13 Jul '93

13 Jul '93

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous posting and mail have up three times in the past few days, in non-cypherpunk readings of mine. 1) In the Young Scientists Network, one of the list moderators mentioned that an anonymous post was received, and to please not do that in the future. However, the reason given was that it is difficult to contact the author of the post. Since the moderator mentioned he was unable to contact the author, I am guessing a cypherpunk remailer was used. Importantly though, anonymous submissions were discouraged only because of the inconvenience of contacting the author. 2) The latest Computer Underground Digest #5-51. The issue it about the "cleansing" of the AIS BBS run by Kim Clancy. Read the issue; Jim Thomas was upset at this form of witch-hunting, in which accusations were made anonymously. A cypherpunk remailer was used in this situation. Although Jim and others were understandable upset about the situation, I felt they were more upset about what the anonymous poster(s) said; not so much the fact he(they) posted anonymously. Or rather, the fact anonymity was used in the manner it was. 3) Phrack 43 - includes a list of cypherpunk remailers in one of the articles! Looks like the remailers are getting some publicity, as well as the ftp site. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQCVAgUBLELJgIOA7OpLWtYzAQF+dgP/U9Evz5lM91FJnMEGBfDHyLwRGlgAAGbq gnitNN9LA7NKIb8yWdHSSB1iQ0WX4Ae8NRK5m4c7MW2Ps9JekXA6Eu3zQPYwQJ34 nWdkY4y82l1suyo0/D5mrKcXysjvVVGw18Ypt7ErYl1B0qWxCEPp+eTkL7471yUX ODZ1X8hVecs= =lBwU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Whose opinion? (was Re: anonymous mail)
by mbl＠mail.msen.com 13 Jul '93

13 Jul '93

On the subject of whether personal postings should be considered as representing the company, I should point out that: 1: NSF and several regional nets have acceptable use policies which do not permit commercial use. 2: Messages posted by the company (or by someone who is assumed to represent the company) would be in violation of these policies if the messages crossed the applicable networks. 3: There is no way to prevent a specific message over usenet from crossing a specific network. 4: The owner of a network site (the company) is assumed to be responsible for any "unacceptable use" traffic that comes from the site. 5: This liability would leave the company open to having its net feed cut off for such unacceptable use. It is therefore in the best interests of any corporation with Internet/Usenet access to _assume_ that messages posted by its employees are not company business. So what's all the fuss about? :-) -- Matthew B. Landry | mbl(a)mail.msen.com President of Project SAVE | (313)971-5469 (H/W) My opinions are my most prized posession. I don't share them.

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State Dept. shuts down DEC machine
by L. Detweiler 13 Jul '93

13 Jul '93

A very hot topic (and one of my favorites to track) on this list is the shutting down of various sites due to various factors. I'd be interested in hearing more of the BBS shutdown cases here, which are oft-rumored on Internet but rarely discussed authoritatively. Anyway, here's some strange actions by the State Dept. in shutting down a DEC FTP site. I wonder if this was *after* that little DES FTP retrieval demonstration before congress--did that give some people ideas? Anyway, this is disturbing, and the question always is `is this an isolated action or a trend emerging'--if hostility reaches the people who are responsible they are unlikely to do it again; even ivory tower bureacrats have a large CYA instinct (that's how they get there and stay there). Note that this was NOT the DECWRL machine but another at DEC. ===cut=here=== Subject: State Dept. shuts down open-access Internet DEC-Alpha via export ctl! Date: Thu, 08 Jul 93 01:34:07 -0700 From: gnu(a)cygnus.com DEC was the first company to put up one of their machines on the Internet so that people could log in and port their (free or commercial) software to it. This is a great idea, which I'm encouraging others to emulate. But the government objects... The machine was called axposf (AXP is the model, OSF is the operating system) .pa.dec.com (in the Palo Alto office of the DEC computer company). Anyone could connect to it over the Internet, using a standard protocol (telnet), and type to it, as if they were sitting at its console. This was WONDERFUL for people who are working on software. The AXP is a new "64-bit" machine, and most software will need at least minor revisions to accomodate it. But most software authors and companies won't immediately buy an AXP. Making one available for casual use on the Internet means that much more software would appear on the AXP sooner. The State Dept. regulates "remote access to computers" as equivalent to "export of computers". I shudder to think what would happen if they discovered that ordinary email can invoke processing remotely. Unfortunately, the machine is at DEC, which is gunshy about export problems, after getting a multimillion dollar fine (which I don't think they ever challenged in court) because some customer trans-shipped a Vax to Eastern Europe in the '70s. A more modern company might simply tell the State Dept. to shove it, and beat them in court over the unconstitutionality of the export laws. Are they seriously telling us that we can't put a public access machine on the Internet? Can we attach phone lines to it instead? If not, a few thousand BBS's running on fast machines are violating export laws... If so, what is the specific difference between the Internet and a phone line, that lets a company distinguish a legal act of commerce or communication from an illegal act of export? John, can you make sure the Congressional committees hear about this? As far as I know, they are still not on email. John Gilmore ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 7 Jul 93 02:12:04 -0700 From: paul(a)vix.com (Paul Vixie) Message-Id: <9307070912.AA15402(a)gw.home.vix.com> To: gdb(a)cygnus.com, mike(a)mbsun.mlb.org Subject: fyi ... I helped set up axposf.pa.dec.com before I left DECWRL, and I know that the U. S. State Department demanded that it be shut down since there were no access controls to prevent foreign nationals (even those we are not friendly with right now, e.g., Iraq) from telnetting in and getting access. Since the DEC Alpha machines fit the legal description of "supercomputer", this access amounts to "exporting munitions" even though the hardware doesn't move and the crypt(3) sources aren't online. Anyway the service is down right now and the relevant folks at DECWRL and DECNSL are working hard to get it back up again but meanwhile there are no guest DEC Alpha ("AXP") machines on the Internet just now. [gw:i386] telnet axposf.pa.dec.com Trying 16.1.0.14... Connected to axposf.pa.dec.com. Escape character is '^]'. OSF/1 (axposf.pa.dec.com) (ttyp1) login: axpguest Password: Login incorrect login: Connection closed by foreign host. [gw:i386] date Wed Jul 7 02:00:08 PDT 1993 - -- Paul Vixie "Be neither a conformist or a rebel, <paul(a)vix.com> for they are really the same thing. decwrl!vixie!paul Find your own path, and stay on it." (me) ------- End of Forwarded Message To: farber(a)pcpond.cis.upenn.edu Subject: Re: When did the DECWRL machine get pulled off the net? Date: Thu, 08 Jul 93 12:13:41 PDT From: Paul A Vixie <paul(a)vix.com> it happened about two months ago, while i was still brian reid's employee. note that DECWRL is still there, it's the corporate internet gateway. what got taken off the net was an AXP-OSF/1 guest machine. the state department said it was legally a supercomputer and since dec could not guarantee that folks on the SD's DNP ("denied parties list") (Iraq, for example) would be prevented from using it, they insisted that the machine be shut down. we got the notification from the lord-high-weenie of dec's legal department, and since they more-or-less outranked us we had to pull the machine off the net. i don't work for dec any more so i'm free to discuss this. brian reid, my old boss, is not free to discuss this. the whole thing makes me really really angry.

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pgp patent.
by J. Michael Diehl 13 Jul '93

13 Jul '93

Hi all, just a quick question. Exactly when does the patent expire which will make pgp legal? Enquiring minds want to know? ;^) +-----------------------+-----------------------------+---------+ | J. Michael Diehl ;-) | I thought I was wrong once. | PGP KEY | | mdiehl(a)triton.unm.edu | But, I was mistaken. |available| | mike.diehl(a)fido.org | | Ask Me! | | (505) 299-2282 +-----------------------------+---------+ | | +------"I'm just looking for the opportunity to be -------------+ | Politically Incorrect!" <Me> | +-----If codes are outlawed, only criminals wil have codes.-----+ +----Is Big Brother in your phone? If you don't know, ask me---+

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Mailer tests
by M..Stirner＠f28.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG 12 Jul '93

12 Jul '93

Just a quick note to say that I sent out a packet of tests for the remailers via the RBBSnet UUCP gate following the standard Cypherpunks form: To: remailer(a)some.place.edu :: Request-Remailing-To: me(a)my.address.com This is a test of the ... remailer... I sent this message to each of the following: hh(a)pmantis.berkeley.edu hh(a)cicada.berkeley.edu hh(a)soda.berkeley.edu phantom(a)mead.u.washington.edu 00x(a)uclink.berkeley.edu remailer(a)utter.dis.org I received the test message via the remailer(a)utter.dis.org quickly & without problems. I have yet to get the other messages, nearly a week later. With the exception of remailer(a)utter.dis.org, all of these have been habitually unresponsive to regular tests. I have been able to get the soda remaier to work once, & with the efforts of the remailer operator, was able to get the phantom remailer to work once. I have been unable to get the anonymus+info(a)charcoal.com remailer to accept mail after some six attempts. The Charcoal daemon bounces back the messages as coming to an unknown addressee. The Extropia PGPed remailer seems to work well, as does the hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu remailer. Nearly everything else seems very iffy. Which remailers claim to be able to mail directly to newsgroups? ********************************************************************* * <m..stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org> - PGP Key D30909 via servers * * > What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not <* * > warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit <* * > of resistance? Let them take arms!" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 <* ********************************************************************* ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -- M. Stirner - via FidoNet node 1:125/1 UUCP: ...!uunet!kumr!shelter!28!M..Stirner INTERNET: M..Stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

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