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tidbit on Clipper review, San Hose Mercury News
by L. Detweiler 28 Jul '93

28 Jul '93

Don't believe this was posted here. Mostly a rehash, but included for completeness of the soda.berkeley.edu archive, and does note that the analyst review deadline is `the end of the month' (July). So, depending on how long the bureacrats sit on the results, we should hear something soon. Sorry about the poor format quality. (I wonder who the 6 were who defined? Surely a Who's Who in Cryptography, e.g. W. Diffie etc. I wonder if they'd have the nerve to ask Kahn?) ------- Forwarded Message Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 21:01:33 -0500 From: farber(a)central.cis.upenn.edu (David Farber) Subject: Critics Belittle Data Security Probe A bit late but ... from sci.crypt San Lose Mercury News - July 16, 1993 Critics Belittle Data Security Probe By Lee Gomes A federal effort to answer complaints about a controversial government data security plan apparently has fallen short of its goal, with critics saying the effort isn't dealing with all of their concerns. On Thursday, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, or NIST, an agency of the Comerce Department, named five outside computer researchers to evaluate software being used in the "Clipper" program, a proposed federal standard to encode computer messages in order to keep them secret. Clipper, which uses both software and a special chip, has been criticized by some cryptography experts for being an inferior technology, and for potentially having a hidden "trap door" that might allow law enforcement agencies to surreptitiously peek at computer messages. While the program would directly apply to only federal agencies, many predict the standard would also come to dominate the commercial market. In an effort to convince people no such trap door exists, the five experts working with NIST will evaluate the classified software used in Clipper and then report publicly on their findings. But Jim Bidzos, of RSA Data Security in Redwood City, a company that sells a private encryption plan and which is one of the government's main critics in the controversy, said the work of the five outsiders will be of limited value, since they will only be looking at a protion of Clipper software. "There are a million other places where you can do some funny business to grab messages," he said, including by copying or tampering with Cliper hardware. NIST has always maintained there is no trap door and that including one would be superfluous because law enforcement agencies would be able to get the "keys" to Clipper with a court order. NIST spokeswoman Janice E. Kosko said the agency had invited 11 experts to examine the actual encryption software, called Skipjack, provided they would agree to obtain a security clearance and to speak publicly about their findings without revealing the detailed workings of the software. Six declined. The five who accepted are Ernest Brickell of Sandia National Laboritories, Dorothy Denning of the computer science department of Georgetown University, Stephen T. Kent of BBN Communications Corp., David P. Maher of AT&T, and Walter Tuchman of Amperif Corp. The five outsiders have been asked to submit individual findings by the end of the month. Because Clipper software is secret, the work of the five will take place at a classified government laboratory in Bowie, MD. - --- ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Re: Tee-shirt
by J. Michael Diehl 28 Jul '93

28 Jul '93

According to Morgan Davis: > Harry Shapiro <habs(a)panix.com> writes: > >Orwell was wrong > > > > 1994 > > Orwell was probably right, but some editor went in and changed the title to > 1984. If only Orwell had PGP back then... :-) Orwell never said 1984. He said 1994. If your version says anything else, you have an unofficial version which needs to be returned to The Ministry of Truth. ========================+==========================================+ J. Michael Diehl ;^) | Have you hugged a Hetero........Lately? | mdiehl(a)triton.unm.edu | "I'm just looking for the opportunity to | mike.diehl(a)fido.org help| be Politically Incorrect!" +=========+ al945(a)cwns9.ins.cwru.edu| Is Big Brother in your phone? | PGP KEY | (505) 299-2282 (voice) | If you don't know, ask me. |Available| ========================+================================+=========+ PGP Key = 7C06F1 = A6 27 E1 1D 5F B2 F2 F1 12 E7 53 2D 85 A2 10 5D This message is protected by 18 USC 2511 and 18 USC 2703. Monitoring by anyone other than the recipient is absolutely forbidden by US Law

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More stuff...
by pat＠tstc.edu 28 Jul '93

28 Jul '93

Ok, How about maybe one of these. Obscure, but kinda fun. - 1984 + 10 - Orwell missed by 10. - Big Brother has arrived! - So what's 10 years between Orwell and a few friends? -- "I'm not being irrational, I just know to much." - Tim Allen -- Pat Hykkonen, N5NPL Texas State Technical College at Waco Internet: {pat,postmaster,root}(a)tstc.edu Instructional Network Services Packet: N5NPL(a)WD5KAL.#CENTX.TX.USA.NA 3801 Campus Dr. Waco, Tx 76705 Public keys available! ** 1984 + 10 ** V:(817) 867-4830 F:(817) 799-2843

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RE: A few more slogan ideas
by nate＠VIS.ColoState.EDU 28 Jul '93

28 Jul '93

I would like to add to John's idea: Cypherpunks: There's safety in numbers. (back of shirt: BIG numbers.) Cryptography: There's safety in numbers. (back of shirt: BIG numbers.) replace "BIG numbers" with "BIG, BIG, PRIME NUMBERS" -nate

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dissention in the ranks
by nate＠VIS.ColoState.EDU 28 Jul '93

28 Jul '93

Tim May says: > Folks, there just isn't any agreed-upon set of priorities. For some, > it's PGP. For others, digital money. And talking to journalists, > writing rants, investigating offshore banking, for others. > > Let a thousand flowers bloom. Amen. (meaning a lot coming from an agnostic!) I think that what does not belong on this list is people bickering, essentially, about what cypherpunks are supposed to be doing. If you don't like a particular article, don't read it. Look at the subject, and decide. I often don't read all the mail thoroughly, but I don't tell everyone to stop posting so much ;-) I think that it is important to remember that one of the basic ideals of the cypherpunk movement is the protection of FREEDOM. Freedom to not worry about if a posting in CP-Politically correct not. It's almost (but not quite) censorship. Let everyone do what they feel is important. Publicity is important, talking to journalists is important, and everything we do here and outside of the net is important. -nate sammons +-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nate Sammons email: nate(a)VIS.ColoState.Edu | Colorado State University Computer Visualization Laboratory | Finger nate(a)monet.VIS.ColoState.Edu for my PGP key | #include <std.disclaimer> | "I have but one single desire - to tear down the sky" -A. Toomba | Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? +----------------------+

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No Subject
by koontzd＠lrcs.loral.com 27 Jul '93

27 Jul '93

>fnerd(a)smds.com >For a logo... how a bout a fist holding a key? How about a mailed fist holding a key, with the caption Privacy is our Profession :)

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Programmer pushes pen to proliferate privacy programs.
by Mike Johnson 27 Jul '93

27 Jul '93

I'm writing a book on practical cryptography for programmers. As part of my research for this book, I'd like to know what you would like to see (or not see) in such a book. If you would like to help me out by answering a few questions, I'd be grateful. Only the aggregate results will be published, but if you want to ensure that your response is anonymous, please reply directly to me via one or more cypherpunk remailers. In your opinion, what are the three most important applications of cryptography in the private sector (I'll leave military and diplomatic stuff to the NSA)? What programs do you currently use, if any, to encrypt data? What encryption algorithms do you use? Who are you most concerned about reading your private data without your permission? Do you use PGP? If so, how do you think it could best be improved? What computer platforms do you use? What operating systems do you use? What language(s) do you program in (ANSI C, K&R C, C++, Pascal, BASIC, ASM, Ada, etc.)? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Johnson | Opinions expressed herein are mine, and come with no mikej(a)exabyte.com | warranty, expressed or implied. PGP key on request. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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logo
by fnerd＠smds.com 27 Jul '93

27 Jul '93

For a logo...how about a fist holding a key? just a thot -fnerd quote me

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Re: Tim's nose (was Re: nose against the grindstone)
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 27 Jul '93

27 Jul '93

>My opinion, which stands, is that we have spent an inordinate amount >of time in frivolous discussion about T-shirts. Consider that it is much easier to make quick comments about tee shirts than strategic decisions regarding sound bites for the press. Thus, the opportunity cost of these comments is fairly low and that also explains the volume. That said, here's another addition to the melange: How about a tee shirt that has the source code to RSA or DES on it. Could I wear it while flying out of the U.S.? Curious person: What's that on your tee shirt? Cypherpunk: It's the source code to a program that cannot be exported outside the U.S.A. Banned information. Curious person: How can information be banned? I thought the First Amendment protected that. Cypherpunk: Not for export...It's considered munitions even though this source code is available in books and on computers almost anywhere in the world. Curious person: Looks fairly innocuous to me. Cypherpunk: The French consider it second only to nuclear weapons. Curious person: Now that's what I call a power tee shirt! If the source is too big (how about one long bar code: information-wear (Mondo2000 could feature it as a centerfold)), perhaps the core algorithm could be depicted. Okay, I'll stop having fun now...;^) Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com

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another journalist's queries
by af391＠freenet.carleton.ca 27 Jul '93

27 Jul '93

This is Peter Hum, a reporter with a major daily newspaper in Canada, e-mailing all you cypherpunks. Since the talk is flowing about t-shirts and/or journalists, I thought I would renew my request for help and information. For now, I'm researching: 1. encryption issues in Canada 2. privacy in Canada I'd appreciate any e-mail, phone calls or faxes with suggestions on sources, how to proceed, and so on. Confidentiality is assured. I should mention that I'm an English professor by training and not a crypto-specialist. I'm also new to the Net (one month on), but I should add it was the WIRED article, among others, that sparked my interest. Hope to hear from you, Peter Hum The Ottawa Citizen af391(a)Freenet.carleton.ca (613)596-3761 (voice) (613)726-1198 (fax)

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