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Re: Numeric IP address for ftp.eff.org?
by smb＠research.att.com 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

Round Waffle wrote: But when you actually ftp to ftp.eff.org, the hostname reported is kragar.eff.org, and a traceroute there shows the endpoint's IP address as 192.88.144.4. Creative DNS administration... The dig output explains what's going on. $ dig ftp.eff.org ; <<>> DiG 2.0 <<>> ftp.eff.org ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra ; Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 0, Addit: 0 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; ftp.eff.org, type = A, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: ftp.eff.org. 86400 CNAME kragar.eff.org. kragar.eff.org. 86400 A 192.88.144.4 ;; Sent 1 pkts, answer found in time: 158 msec ;; FROM: inet to SERVER: default -- 0.0.0.0 ;; WHEN: Wed Aug 11 11:44:15 1993 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 29 rcvd: 73 In other words, ftp.eff.org is an alias for the official name of the host. Quite properly, the inverse map lists the official name for the host: $ dig -x 192.88.144.4 ; <<>> DiG 2.0 <<>> -x ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra ; Ques: 1, Ans: 1, Auth: 0, Addit: 0 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; 4.144.88.192.in-addr.arpa, type = ANY, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: 4.144.88.192.in-addr.arpa. 86400 PTR kragar.eff.org. ;; Sent 1 pkts, answer found in time: 329 msec ;; FROM: inet to SERVER: default -- 0.0.0.0 ;; WHEN: Wed Aug 11 12:45:52 1993 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 43 rcvd: 71 But by advertising the name ``ftp.eff.org'', instead of ``kragar.eff.org'', the administrator gains the flexibility to move the archive to some other machine if necessary/desirable. That's exactly the right way to run such a service.

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Re: Numeric IP address for ftp.eff.org?
by jthomas＠kolanut.mitre.org 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

Round Waffle wrote: > Possessed by The Unholy, David Heck scrawled the > following in blood: > > would anyone happen to have the numeric ip address for eff.org or > > ftp.eff.org handy? > > I'd sure appreciate it.... > > Both eff.org and ftp.eff.org resolve to 192.88.144.3, > according to nslookup. > But when you actually ftp to ftp.eff.org, the hostname reported is kragar.eff.org, and a traceroute there shows the endpoint's IP address as 192.88.144.4. Creative DNS administration... mwunix> ftp ftp.eff.org Connected to kragar.eff.org. 220 kragar.eff.org FTP server (Version 2.1WU(1) Thu May 20 15:21:04 EDT 1993) ready. mwunix> traceroute ftp.eff.org traceroute to kragar.eff.org (192.88.144.4), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 128.29.154.254 (128.29.154.254) 2 ms 2 ms 5 ms 2 mwgw.mitre.org (128.29.18.251) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 3 reston1gw.mitre.org (128.29.1.2) 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 4 reston2gw.mitre.org (128.29.100.253) 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 5 128.29.217.253 (128.29.217.253) 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 6 192.80.55.254 (192.80.55.254) 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 7 Falls-Church3.VA.ALTER.NET (137.39.61.1) 7 ms 13 ms 6 ms 8 Washington.DC.ALTER.NET (137.39.128.1) 35 ms 16 ms 41 ms 9 Boston1.MA.ALTER.NET (137.39.12.2) 22 ms 22 ms 24 ms 10 EFF-gw.ALTER.NET (137.39.25.2) 39 ms 22 ms 29 ms 11 kragar.eff.org (192.88.144.4) 26 ms 27 ms 29 ms mwunix> Joe a font of trivia today

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directions to Cygnus
by Ciamac Moallemi 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

Could someone post directions to Cygnus for the meeting on Saturday? Thanks.

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Numeric IP address for ftp.eff.org?
by David Heck 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

would anyone happen to have the numeric ip address for eff.org or ftp.eff.org handy? I'd sure appreciate it.... Thanks, David

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Re: birth of Software Patent Institute
by peter honeyman 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

joe, thanks for setting me straight. peter

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Re: birth of Software Patent Institute
by jthomas＠kolanut.mitre.org 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

> > the first question to ask would be whether they're in > touch with LPF at all. > > the next question would be whether lpf is willing to work > with them. rms has never been known to put progress ahead > of politics. First, rms isn't the LPF. He's practically the FSF, and supports the LPF, but the two organizations aren't synonymous. Second, I believe the LPF has made an official statement that they will _not_ work with SPI. SPI is primarily funded by large holders of software patents, and LPF believes that this database will give patent holders an advantage in defending their patents in court (i.e. against suits by LPF to invalidate the patents). I'm not even a member of the LPF; you should write to them for their actual arguments. Third, I'm not sure this is appropriate to the list, unless someone expects to find "folklore" about public key cryptography that predates RSA, etc. Joe

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Re: birth of Software Patent Institute
by peter honeyman 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

> the first question to ask would be whether they're in touch with LPF at all. the next question would be whether lpf is willing to work with them. rms has never been known to put progress ahead of politics. peter

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The New Yorker, Yes, the New Yorker
by Peter Wayner 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

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Any PGP utils for Emacs?
by R.Tait＠bnr.co.uk 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

Does anyone have any elisp to integrate PGP into Emacs? I'm fed up of having to use VI to send/receive all my encrypted mail, and there's no point in me writing any code if someone already has. So, is there any out there? -Rick

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Returned mail: Host unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 11 Aug '93

11 Aug '93

----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 toad.com (TCP)... 550 Host unknown 554 cypherpunks(a)toad.com... 550 Host unknown (Valid name but no data [address]) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by access.digex.net id AA01895 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for cypherpunks(a)toad.com) Wed, 11 Aug 1993 07:58:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 07:58:38 -0400 From: Peter Wayner <pcw> There is a bit of funny satire in the New Yorker this week. (This is the Aug 16th issue with the funny Bruce McCall painting of a Zeppelin park and the stories about AIDS and the Muppets.) It's aimed at the proposed "V" chip that would allow parents to protect their children from televised violence by shutting off the "violence" mode of the television. The central broadcasters would be required to include a signal saying, "Hey, we're going to be busting some heads in this show. Turn yourself off if the owners don't want you showing violent things." Given that we're talking alot about Big Bubba chips like this, I'll grab a few excerpts: "Sorry. I have a brand-new daughter and I'm already aware of the grim reality: technologically speaking it's us against them-- us the parents, against them, the kids. My kid, Gabrielle, is only five weeks old, and somehow she has already learned how to manipulate the signal from her baby monitor so as to jam my microwave and VCR when she's cranky." "Her mother and I have just hired a pediatric counter-insurgency expert from the Rand Corporation to assist us in eavesdropping on and, if necessary, interdicting some of the electronic conversation that our daughter is involved in." The piece is uneven in spots and given to a few dull jokes, but I thought I would send a blip across your radar screen. -Peter

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