September 2005 - cddlm-wg

RE: [cddlm] Survey for OGSA-WG F2F meeting back-to-back GGF15
by Milojicic, Dejan S 20 Sep '05

20 Sep '05

Steve and the team, Please fill out the survey below. Hiro is very good in doing these things, shortly he will post the outcome of the survey and we'll all know in an obvious way who will attend what and when. I already filled out the survey. However, FYI I will be leaving on Thursday afternoon. I plan to attend the OGSA/CDDLM session on Thursday rather than GGF. Thanks, Dejan. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cddlm-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-cddlm-wg@ggf.org] > On Behalf Of Steve Loughran > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:22 AM > To: 'cddlm-wg(a)ggf.org' > Subject: Re: [cddlm] Survey for OGSA-WG F2F meeting back-to-back GGF15 > > Hiro Kishimoto wrote: > > Hi all, and sorry for the cross-posting again. > > > > As you already know, OGSA-WG and fellow WGs are planning to > have F2F > > meeting in Boston, back-to-back with GGF15. The meeting > will be held > > on Thursday (9am-6pm) and Friday (8am-3:30pm) at IBM office > in Boston > > (it is 2.2 miles away from GGF15 venue instead of walking distance). > > > > Please keep it in mind that this F2F is workshop style technical > > discussion. If you want to learn OGSA activities in general, "OGSA > > Status and direction presentation session" on Oct. 3 (Mon) > > 11am-12:30pm at Berkely/Clarendon room is the one you should join. > > > > In order to obtain admission to the F2F venue, please let > us know your > > plan for attendance by answering the following on-line survey. > > Deadline is EoB Friday (Sept. 23). > > > > http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=WEB224MNGGSZFW > > > > Thanks, > > I thought by not booking my flights till last weekend I was > cutting it fairly fine, but no, we now have an extra two days > at the end. > > I'm going to say yes to thursday, but as my flight out of > boston is at 17.00 hours or thereabouts, I wont be able to > spend much time in the afternoon sessions. > > who else can make it. Stuart? You at least have no > transatlantic return flights to deal with? > > -steve > >

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Survey for OGSA-WG F2F meeting back-to-back GGF15
by Hiro Kishimoto 20 Sep '05

20 Sep '05

Hi all, and sorry for the cross-posting again. As you already know, OGSA-WG and fellow WGs are planning to have F2F meeting in Boston, back-to-back with GGF15. The meeting will be held on Thursday (9am-6pm) and Friday (8am-3:30pm) at IBM office in Boston (it is 2.2 miles away from GGF15 venue instead of walking distance). Please keep it in mind that this F2F is workshop style technical discussion. If you want to learn OGSA activities in general, "OGSA Status and direction presentation session" on Oct. 3 (Mon) 11am-12:30pm at Berkely/Clarendon room is the one you should join. In order to obtain admission to the F2F venue, please let us know your plan for attendance by answering the following on-line survey. Deadline is EoB Friday (Sept. 23). http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=WEB224MNGGSZFW Thanks, -- Hiro Kishimoto

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[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Sept. 21st call
by Hiro Kishimoto 20 Sep '05

20 Sep '05

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Sept. 21st Wednesday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). Dial-in numbers for Wednesday: Free: +1-888-452-0308 Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 PIN: 71815 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0921 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (10 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20050912/en/1 GGF15 and F2F update (if any) Agenda bashing 2) OGSA WSRF BP 1.0 submission (10 min) Given that OGSA Basic Security Profiles needs more time to complete (maybe after GGF15), is it better to submit OGSA WSRF BP 1.0 alone to GGF Editor by this week? 3) WS-MetaData discussion (10 min) > The WSRF TC currently seeking an editor for the > WS-ResourceMetadataDescriptor specification. > Options are: > 1) Someone from OGSA could join WSRF and volunteer to be the > editor. > 2) WSRF could transfer responsibility for the spec to OGSA. > 3) OGSA could pursue an alternate mechanism for metadata. 4) EMS architecture discussion (90 min) > Hiro: Get editable scenario file from Mike and pass it to > Stuart. (done) > Stuart: Break down single “provisioner” box into multiple > services which CDDLM-WG and ACS-WG are working on. > Modifications should be color coded. > Dejan: Talk to Ayla when she can make her demo for OGSA team. See Sept. 14 telecon minutes; https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20050912/en/1 5) Wrap up AOB <NEXT CALL> Sept. 26 (Mon) Information Modeling Sept. 28 (Wed) OGSA-AuthZ-WG, Basic Security Profile, GGF15 & F2F preparation Oct. 3-6: GGF15 Oct. 6-7: F2F meeting Telecon schedule: https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/telecon_schedule/ -- Hiro Kishimoto

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FW: [ogsa-wg] [asc-wg] Re: Editable sequence diagram
by Milojicic, Dejan S 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

-----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Michael Behrens Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:57 AM To: Stuart Schaefer Cc: ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org; acs-wg(a)ggf.org Subject: [ogsa-wg] [asc-wg] Re: Editable sequence diagram Attached is a newer version of the scenario 3 jude interaction diagram. I made a few updates: + Added an interact to get metadata from ACS. + Made it clear that CDDLM was performing the provisioning and configuration. FYI: The pro-version of JUDE allows import/export. Hiro Kishimoto wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > At the joint CDDLM-WG & OGSA-WG call on Wednesday, I took an action item > to give editable EMS scenario #3 sequence diagram file written by Mike > to you. I've check Mike's email and I found he uses JUDE, free UML > modeling tool, instead of VISIO. Please find his editable file attached. > > You can download and install JUDE/community software from the following > page. > > https://www.esm.jp/jude-web/index.html > > Thanks, -- Michael Behrens R2AD, LLC (571) 594-3008 (cell) *new* (703) 714-0442 (land)

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OGSA-WG F2F meeting back-to-back GGF14
by Hiro Kishimoto 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

Hi all, and sorry for the cross-posting. OGSA-WG is planning to have F2F meeting in Boston, back-to-back with GGF14. The meeting will be held on Thursday (9am-6pm) and Friday (8am-3pm) at IBM office in Boston, walking distance from GGF15 venue. The following is tentative agenda items we've listed up at Today's OGSA-WG call. - EMS architecture (CDDLM, ACS, GRAAP, RSS, JSDL, BES) - OGSA-naming session - Resource Management (info/data model) - OGSA-BES session - OGSA-data session (?) If you want to have another session or any specific day/time requirements on any of these sessions, please let me know. I am sorry for this late notice. I am clumsy to organize this F2F meeting since it is our first back-to-back one. Thanks, -- Hiro Kishimoto

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OGSA EMS Sequence Diagrams
by Stuart Schaefer 14 Sep '05

14 Sep '05

Hi, The slides in scenario #3 contain the detail that includes the provisioning steps. I do not see where in any of the sequence diagrams the CSG interacts with the ACS service. Candidate Sets are retrieved from the Execution Planning Services. The EPS works with ACS and should also be linked to Provisioning. If a service is already deployed and can be reused, I would presume that EPS would make this determination. The CDDLM system allows for this. Our presumption in CDDLM is that what is returned from the ACS is a parameterized template, that should be partially resolved during the Candidate Set Generation Phase and Resource Reservation Phase. But many parameters are not known until deployment time or runtime. So, prior to invoking a service container (StartActivityFromJSDL() in the first diagram of scenario #1), the CDDLM service can be used to complete the template resolution, deploy the required systems and prepare the job for execution. Not sure if the sequence diagrams need this level of detail. I think the only operations that are missing in the current CDDLM component model (container) are the commands to start and stop the actual job. We have taken care of all of the deploy, register, undeploy requirements as well as can support the "getState()" query from the Information Services. I would also add that we treat releasing resources and un-deploying configurations as different, environment specific operations. We can contribute the sequence diagrams that were created as part of our work and those created by the ACS team to show the detailed steps of provisioning. Would anyone like to see those? Thanks, Stuart Schaefer

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CDDLM scenarios (Re: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Sept. 14th call)
by Hiro Kishimoto 14 Sep '05

14 Sep '05

Hi all, >>d. The OGSA WG will study the high level scenarios from CDDLM that >>were the model for the CDDLM specs. Need to reconcile these into the >>EMS/OGSA space. I've read the CDDLM foundation document again and tried to correspond to OGSA-WG's three EMS scenarios. Here is my understandings; 3.1 Web Service in the Grid This scenario corresponds to OGSA-WG's server consolidation scenario #3. Even it does not refer ACS. 3.2 Commercial Data Center Obviously, it corresponds to OGSA-WG's Data Center scenario #2. However, CDC scenario does not use advanced reservation and OGSA-WG scenario #2 does not cover deployment now. 3.3 IT infrastructure and management I think it is too high level compare with OGSA-WG's scenarios. 3.4 Utility computing Model This is multiple data center version of CDDLM use case 3.2. This scenario also does not have reservation. 3.5 Complex business service It is similar to CDDLM scenario 3.1. 3.6 Web Service deployment project. It is similar to CDDLM scenario 3.1. Based on the above study, I think the following two scenarios can become our starting points; (a) Web service in the Grid (CDDLM 3.1) and server consolidation (OGSA #1) (b) Commercial Data Center (CDDLM 3.2) and data center scenario (OGSA #2) Your thoughts? ---- Hiro Kishimoto Hiro Kishimoto wrote: > Hi all, > > The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on September 14th > Wednesday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). > > Dial-in numbers for Wednesday: > Free: +1-888-452-0308 > Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 > PIN: 71815 > > Screen share service will be provided. > URL: http://ogsa.glance.net > Session key: 0914 > See more explanation: > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html > > 1) Early discussion (20 min) > Note taker assignment > Roll call > Telecon minutes approval (if available) > Agenda bashing > > 2) EMS architecture discussion (90 min) > CDDLM in EMS architecture > > >>CDDLM: >>Dejan/Stuart: Thanks for attending this session. Sorry for any mixup >>here. I hope you did get something useful from Jim's presentation. Based >>on our discussions around CDDLM, here is what I captured: >> >>a. Hiro will send out the pointers to the interaction of EMS services >>for the 3 scenarios that was developed at the last OGSA F2F. >>b. Stuart will take a look and see how the CDDLM architecture would >>address these scenarios and start and email thread in the OGSA mail >>list. >>c. Ravi would collect any difficult or long drawn discussion topics (as >>suggested by the respondents) as agenda items for discussion at the next >>OGSA telecom. >>d. The OGSA WG will study the high level scenarios from CDDLM that were >>the model for the CDDLM specs. Need to reconcile these into the EMS/OGSA >>space. > > > Meeting summary; > https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20050907/en/1 > > Related materials; > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2005/09/msg00032.html > > Stuart's comments; > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2005/09/msg00040.html > > 3) Wrap up (10 min) > AOB > > <NEXT CALL> > Sept. 19 (Mon) Architecture & Glossary 1.5, Basic Security Profile > Sept. 21 (Wed) GGF15 & F2F preparation > Sept. 26 (Mon) OGSA-AuthZ-WG, Information Modeling > > Telecon schedule: > https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/telecon_schedule/ > ---- > Hiro Kishimoto > > > >

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Meeting tomorrow, Wed, 9/14, 6am PST
by Milojicic, Dejan S 14 Sep '05

14 Sep '05

Hi Team, This is a reminder that we have a meeting tomorrow at 6am +1 866-639-4732 (toll free while in US) Code 2362906 (followed by a '#' sign) +1 574-948-0379 (toll & international) The agenda is 1. demo by UFCG 2. technical discusion (relationship to BES) 3. update on the other demos at GGF15 4. various Thanks, Dejan.

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RE: [cddlm] Meeting tomorrow, Wed, 9/14, 6am PST
by Milojicic, Dejan S 13 Sep '05

13 Sep '05

Dear Jun, Welcome back. We were worried about your lack of attendance. I am looking forward to seeing that you are making some progress with the CDL. Yes, I'd be quite interested in learning tomorrow what your plans are. I am not sure how much time we will have available tomorrow, but we will certainly be glad to listen to what you are proposing. I am also interested in the status of your submission to GGF. Can you please let us know when will you submit the final draft? Thanks, Dejan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jun Tatemura [mailto:tatemura@sv.nec-labs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:00 PM > To: Milojicic, Dejan S > Cc: cddlm-wg(a)ggf.org > Subject: Re: [cddlm] Meeting tomorrow, Wed, 9/14, 6am PST > > Dear Team, > I am sorry that I was not able to attend the last few meetings. > Tomorrow, I would like to discuss on my draft for OASIS SDD > usecase with CDDLM (attached). > > Best Regards, > Jun > > Milojicic, Dejan S wrote: > > >Hi Team, > > > >This is a reminder that we have a meeting tomorrow at 6am > > > >+1 866-639-4732 (toll free while in US) > >Code 2362906 (followed by a '#' sign) > >+1 574-948-0379 (toll & international) > > > >The agenda is > > > >1. demo by UFCG > >2. technical discusion (relationship to BES) 3. update on the other > >demos at GGF15 4. various > > > >Thanks, > > > >Dejan. > > > > > > >

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changes to the sourceforge cddlm jar
by Steve Loughran 12 Sep '05

12 Sep '05

I've been working on the build process and the JAR file that the sourceforge hosted stuff to go with our specs does -the version is now "ggf15" -it uses Apache (formerly BEA) xmlbeans to generate classes that map 1:1 to all our schema types. -the jar is now 2.5MB -to actually use the xmlbeans stuff you need the relevant jars on your classpath -to get them on the classpath at build time, you need a recent alpha release of the apache maven2 repository download JARs. Rather than build them up yourself, I would recommend getting a copy I made earlier : http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/smartfrog/core/antbuild/an… -you will also need to research how to configure maven2 for firewalls if you live behind one. It isnt hard, and once you have done it in one place, you get it everywhere. -once you run the build, you are effectively downloading and running JAR files from public repositories, JAR files whose security checks are limited to md5 checksum verification, not tamperproof signatures. Use at your own risk, The goal of all of this is that we now have a set of Java types that map exactly the deployment API, CDL types, CMP XSD types, and all the WSRF/MUWS things, a set of types that are independent of any particular transport/SOAP API. I'm using them for my server stuff and tests, and will try and roll some of those tests over to the deployment project after GGF15. -steve

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