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In preparation for the CDDLM/ACS joint session at GGF14
by Keisuke Fukui 19 Jul '05

19 Jul '05

Folks in the cddlm-wg, As you know we will have a joint session at GGF14 between CDDLM and ACS. This is in preparation for the session from acs-wg. After the GGF13 inside the acs-wg, we studied and discussed about the possible interactions between CDDLM and ACS, especially in terms of "File upload" section and AddFile() in the deployment API document. Sequence diagrams in the attachment describe our interpretation about how CDDLM works, and our proposal for the possible interactions in the case that the ACS co-exists in the system. We believe our proposal goes along with what the current set of CDDLM specifications define and doesn't require change in the original definitions. We are looking forward to discuss about this at the joint session for CDDLM/ACS at GGF14. It is very much appreciated if we get responses before the joint session at GGF14 in case that important overlook in our understanding is found. Please feel free to make comments or questions. FYI, At GGF14 joint session, we'd like to start our discussion with this diagram and if we don't find critical issues, we may go down to the detail of the interface and/or advanced interaction. We'd also like to hear requirements on ACS in terms of the event notification and asynchronous invocation of the interfaces, if the time permitting. Thanks in advance for you efforts on this! Best Regards, Keisuke Fukui ACS-WG

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RE: [cddlm] Doubts about Component Model
by Stuart Schaefer 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

Ayla, The Component Model document was updated to clarify this. The "Last Call" version changed the examples. Internal elements are not allowed. Flow control elements can only be defined as children of a node in the property list. They cannot have child nodes. Please let me know about the wsdl errors. I will take a look as soon as you forward the details. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Ayla Debora Dantas de Souza - Projeto Ourgrid [mailto:ayla@dsc.ufcg.edu.br] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:18 AM To: 'cddlm-wg(a)ggf.org' Subject: [cddlm] Doubts about Component Model Hi, we are having some problems in understanding the correct use of control flow elements from the component model. According to the schema, the cmp:sequence and cmp:flow elements, cannot have internal elements (like in the 'delegate' declaration), but according to some examples from the component model Word document, components can be defined inside these elements. Which option is the correct one? We also had some problems in the component-model.wsdl, specially regarding namespaces use, message definitions missing and some typos. In another mail I will send more details about this. Best regards, Ayla

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RE: [cddlm] Doubts about Component Model
by Stuart Schaefer 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Ayla, The examples that are incorrect is the example from Section 4.7 and 6.2.2. Jun Tatemura and I had discussed this and I had changed these examples some time ago. I do not know how I lost this edit. This example is WRONG. The </cmp:sequence> does not belong here. Also, the example from 6.2.3 is syntactically incorrect. I will modify this and discuss what to do with the document with Dejan. I have attached a fixed version of the final document. This example is not in the repository, I think. The /deployment/test/cdl/valid/cmp/cmp-flow.cdl is incorrect, as is cmp-sequence.cdl. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Ayla Debora Dantas de Souza - Projeto Ourgrid [mailto:ayla@dsc.ufcg.edu.br] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:17 PM To: Stuart Schaefer Cc: cddlm-wg(a)ggf.org Subject: Re: [cddlm] Doubts about Component Model Hi Stuart, the "Last Call" version according to my mails is the 'Draft 2005-06-09' sent on June 20th. Are you talking about this version? In this version, there are examples using internal elements and examples without them. Some of the examples must be checked because they are not well formed. Another problem is that in the repository, there are examples of valid cdls that are not valid anymore according to the component-model schema. Regarding the wsdl errors, I will wait your answer to be sure I'm working with the correct version. Ayla Stuart Schaefer wrote: >Ayla, > >The Component Model document was updated to clarify this. The "Last >Call" version changed the examples. Internal elements are not allowed. >Flow control elements can only be defined as children of a node in the >property list. They cannot have child nodes. > >Please let me know about the wsdl errors. I will take a look as soon as >you forward the details. > >Stuart > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ayla Debora Dantas de Souza - Projeto Ourgrid >[mailto:ayla@dsc.ufcg.edu.br] >Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:18 AM >To: 'cddlm-wg(a)ggf.org' >Subject: [cddlm] Doubts about Component Model > >Hi, > >we are having some problems in understanding the correct use of control >flow elements from the component model. According to the schema, the >cmp:sequence and cmp:flow elements, cannot have internal elements (like >in the 'delegate' declaration), but according to some examples from the >component model Word document, components can be defined inside these >elements. Which option is the correct one? > >We also had some problems in the component-model.wsdl, specially >regarding namespaces use, message definitions missing and some typos. In > >another mail I will send more details about this. >Best regards, > Ayla > > > >

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Doubts about Component Model
by Ayla Debora Dantas de Souza - Projeto Ourgrid 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Hi, we are having some problems in understanding the correct use of control flow elements from the component model. According to the schema, the cmp:sequence and cmp:flow elements, cannot have internal elements (like in the 'delegate' declaration), but according to some examples from the component model Word document, components can be defined inside these elements. Which option is the correct one? We also had some problems in the component-model.wsdl, specially regarding namespaces use, message definitions missing and some typos. In another mail I will send more details about this. Best regards, Ayla

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RE: Session at GGF between CDDLM and related SRM groups, DRMAA, GRAAP, and JSDL
by Milojicic, Dejan S 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Hi, This is a reminder that the session dedicated to meeting between CDDLM and other working groups within ex-SRM and current Management technical areas will be held today at 9am at Regent#1 conference room. All chairs and members of other WGs are invited. Looking forward to talking to you. As a reminder we already have had dedicated sessions with OGSA EMS, ACS, and WSDM groups and in each case it was very useful. Thanks, Dejan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Milojicic, Dejan S > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:32 AM > To: 'Andreas Haas' > Cc: Hrabri Rajic; asm100(a)doc.ic.ac.uk; darren(a)pulsipher.org; > ali(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk; pruyne(a)hpl.hp.com; v.sander(a)fz-juelich.de; > Wolfgang.Ziegler(a)scai.fraunhofer.de > Subject: RE: Session at GGF between CDDLM and related SRM > groups, DRMAA, GRAAP, and JSDL > > Hi, > > Thanks to all who replied, I will go ahead and a request a > CDDLM session on this topic, specifying other groups as > preferred non-conflict. Wrt BES (Jim brought this up), I > agree that we are related and I am in the process of talking > to them about a joint session since the last GGF. I would > prefer that we address our mutual relationship within our > technical area (even if it is going to change soon) prior to > talking to BES as a group of WGs. Bringing them in right now > may be too much. > > Thanks, > > Dejan. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andreas Haas [mailto:Andreas.Haas@Sun.COM] > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:52 AM > > To: Milojicic, Dejan S > > Cc: Hrabri Rajic; asm100(a)doc.ic.ac.uk; darren(a)pulsipher.org; > > ali(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk; pruyne(a)hpl.hp.com; v.sander(a)fz-juelich.de; > > Wolfgang.Ziegler(a)scai.fraunhofer.de > > Subject: Re: Session at GGF between CDDLM and related SRM groups, > > DRMAA, GRAAP, and JSDL > > > > Hi Dejan, > > > > I agree such a talk is reasonable and will try to participate. > > I just submitted DRMAA WG session and specified overlap with CDDLM > > sessions should be prevented. > > > > Regards, > > Andreas > > > > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Milojicic, Dejan S wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This email goes to the chairs of DRMAA, GRAAP, and JSDL. > > CDDLM groups > > > is interested in holding a session between our four > groups. We have > > > close to completed all our planned specs in he area of > > configuration > > > description, deployment, and lifecycle management, and we > > are moving > > > towards reference implementations for the GGF in Fall. > This is the > > > good time for us to discuss with you how we relate and if we are > > > mutually compliant. We had some ongoing informal > discussions in the > > > past, this time I would like to schedule a session only for this > > > purpose. I will do so if you are interested. Please comment > > asap so that I can request a slot in a timely manner. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Dejan. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Milojicic, Dejan S > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:16 PM > To: 'Hiro Kishimoto'; 'John Tollefsrud' > Cc: 'Keisuke Fukui'; pete(a)ziu.net; 'Thomas Studwell' > Subject: RE: Session at GGF between CDDLM and related SRM > groups, DRMAA, GRAAP, and JSDL (fwd) > > Hi Hiro and John, > > Thanks for your feedback! > > > Hi John and Dejan, > > > > Yes, it is GREAT idea. > > Is it possible to add ACS-WG to this cross-WG session? > > Certainly, although I think that these two groups have much > more in common and I prefer that in addition we stick to our > already planned 1:1 session ACS-CDDLM. Now that I think back, > I went over all SRM groups listed on the Web site and that is > the only reason I missed ACS, but as I said, we are already > in the process of talking directly to each other. > > Since you already raised the issue of other groups > attendance, how can we arrange to have BES attend this > session or should I schedule a separate session for BES only? > Also, can we attend one of the OGSA sessions prior to GGF to > present where we are with CDDLM, this is the right time to > engage? I presume that it is appropriate to have discussions > directly with BES instead of OGSA, what is your recommendation? > > Thanks, > > Dejan. > > PS BTW We have had practice of the inter-group meetings in > most past GGFs, it might have not been as visible, but we > already met or exchange visits/presentations with DRMAA, > GRAAP, WSDM, DMTF Application group, etc. > > > I think ACS-WG's work is another closely related one to CDDLM. > > > > Thanks, > > ---- > > Hiro Kishimoto > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John Tollefsrud [mailto:john.tollefsrud@sun.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:38 AM > > > To: dejan.milojicic(a)hp.com > > > Cc: Hiro Kishimoto > > > Subject: FW: Session at GGF between CDDLM and related SRM groups, > > > DRMAA, > > GRAAP, > > > and JSDL (fwd) > > > > > > Hi Dejan, > > > > > > Good idea! Lert me know if I can help. > > > > > > I'm looking forward to a meeting of the new Management area > > at GGF14, > > > and would appreciate having there a WG overview and update > > from WG/RG > > > chairs, and this would be a good meeting to recap in a > > CDDLM overview. > > > I'll have more later on the GGF14 area meeting. > > > > > > Thanks - > > > jt > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:52:07 +0200 (MEST) > > > From: Andreas Haas <andreas.haas(a)sun.com> > > > To: "Milojicic, Dejan S" <dejan.milojicic(a)hp.com> > > > Cc: Hrabri Rajic <hrabri.rajic(a)intel.com>, asm100(a)doc.ic.ac.uk, > > > darren(a)pulsipher.org, ali(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk, pruyne(a)hpl.hp.com, > > > v.sander(a)fz-juelich.de, Wolfgang.Ziegler(a)scai.fraunhofer.de > > > Subject: Re: Session at GGF between CDDLM and related SRM groups, > > > DRMAA, GRAAP, > > > and JSDL > > > > > > Hi Dejan, > > > > > > I agree such a talk is reasonable and will try to participate. > > > I just submitted DRMAA WG session and specified overlap > with CDDLM > > > sessions should be prevented. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Andreas > > > > > > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Milojicic, Dejan S wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > This email goes to the chairs of DRMAA, GRAAP, and JSDL. CDDLM > > > > groups is interested in holding a session between our > > four groups. > > > > We have close to completed all our planned specs in he area of > > > > configuration description, deployment, and lifecycle > > management, and > > > > we are moving towards reference implementations for the > > GGF in Fall. > > > > This is the good time for us to > > > discuss > > > > with you how we relate and if we are mutually compliant. > > We had some > > > ongoing > > > > informal discussions in the past, this time I would like > > to schedule > > > > a session only for this purpose. I will do so if you are > > interested. > > > > Please comment asap so that I can request a slot in a > > timely manner. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Dejan.

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RE: CDDLM's schedule at GGF14
by Milojicic, Dejan S 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Hi Team, Please note two small changes related to the first and last sessions: The last session (was missing in the original schedule below, but was provided on the official GGF schedule) may be moved to WSDM session if we already have covered this during OGSA/WSDM/CDDLM meeting (OGSA#9). Thanks, Dejan. *ACS #1, 6/28, 2:30-4pm, Consulate West , ACS & CDDLM *OGSA #4, 6/28, 4:30-6pm, Wellington 1, EMS, DMTF-UCWG, etc. *CDDLM #1, 6/28, Jun 29, 7:30-9 am, Michigan, reference implementation *OGSA #8, 6/29, 9-10:30am, Wellington 2, OASIS WSDM Deep Dive *OGSA #9, 6/29, 11am-12:30pm, OASIS WSDM TC *WSDM 6/29, 2-3:30pm, Governor's Suite, Multi-vendor WSDM demo *CDDLM #2, 6/29, 2-3:30pm, Windsor, Interop *CDDLM #3, 6/29, 6-7:30pm, Windsor, CDDLM-WG and WSDM *CDDLM #4, 6/30, 7:30-9am, Regent 1, CDDLM demos *CDDLM #5, 6/30, 9am-10:30am, Regent 1, CDDLM & management groups *ACS #2, 6/30, 11am-12:30pm, Michigan, ACS & OASIS SDD TC *CDDLM#6, 6/30, 3:30-5pm, Regent 1, review of remaining specs ________________________________ From: Milojicic, Dejan S Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:50 AM To: 'cddlm-wg(a)ggf.org' Cc: 'Fred Maciel'; 'Hiro Kishimoto'; 'Keisuke Fukui' Subject: CDDLM's schedule at GGF14 Hi Team, Below is a compilation of all CDDLM sessions and three invitations we have had for meetings with ACS, OGSA, and WSDM. There is a potential conflict between meetings with ACS and OGSA (see first two entries below) due to discrepancy between the Web site and original invitation, but we'll have to resolve this while at GGF. As I suggested earlier, please consider the Web site as ultimate source of information and we'll try to update it to reflect the real timings. Best regards, Dejan. Jun 28 4:30 p.m. - 6 p.m. Application Contents Service - WG #1 Calendar: Regent 2 Details: Discussing interface between CDDLM and ACS. (We have conflict here and we'll have tio split unless we can move ACS-CDDLM discussion to another slot) Jun 28 4:30 p.m. - 6 p.m. OGSA-WG #4 "EMS Architecture, RSS & DMTF UCWG" Calendar: Wellington 1 Details: EMS Architecture, RSS & DMTF UCWG - Discussion on EMS architecture components - Includes participation from DMTF UCWG Jun 29 7:30 a.m. - 9 a.m. Configuration Description Deployment Lifecycle Mgmt - WG #1 Calendar: Michigan Details: We will have some initial discussions on the reference implementation to be completed at the GGF14 time frame. Jun 29 9 a.m. - 10:30 a.m. OGSA-WG #8 "OASIS WSDM Deep Dive" Calendar: Wellington 2 Details: Detailed explanation of the WSDM specification and technical discussion Jun 29 11 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. OGSA-WG #9 "OASIS WSDM TC" Calendar: Consulate 1&2 Details: Information exchange between OASIS WSDM and GGF OGSA-WG participants. (12:30 PM - 2 PM: All-GGF Town Hall lunch meeting) (3) 2 PM - 3:30 PM, Governor's Suite: Multi-vendor WSDM demo Given that there is a CDDLM-WG session and an OGSA-WG-related session in parallel with the demo (it was impossible to avoid clashes) there is a possibility of a mini-demo right before 2 PM to the OGSA-WG and CDDLM-WG participants. Jun 29 2 p.m. - 3:30 p.m. CDDLM-WG #2 Calendar: Windsor Details: Configuration Description, Deployment, and Lifecycle Management Working Group "CDDLM-WG Interop" We will start discussion on the interoperability between reference implementations of CDDLM of which we are at the moment aware of four Jun 29 6 p.m. - 7:30 p.m. CDDLM-WG #3 Calendar: Windsor Details: Configuration Description, Deployment, and Lifecycle Management Working Group "CDDLM-WG and WSDM" We will evaluate how CDDLM satisfies WSDM interfaces. We will also continue various topics we started a few GGFs ago when we also had a similar session. Namely, how does CDDLM fit into the bigger standards landscape (state transitions, models, other standards, etc.) Jun 30 7:30 a.m. - 9 a.m. Configuration Deployment Description Lifecycle Mgmt - WG #4 Calendar: Regent 1 Details: We will demo existing CDDLM specs by independent preliminary implementations by HP, NEC, adn Softricity. Jun 30 9 a.m. - 10:30 a.m. Configuration Description Deployment Lifecycle Mgmt - WG #5 Calendar: Regent 1 Details: This is a session to discuss relationship between CDDLM and other groups with SRM (JSDL, DRMAA, GRAAP, ACS, etc.). (potentiallly, if we switch ACS#1 and ACS#2) Jun 30 11 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. Application Contents Services - WG #2 Calendar: Michigan Details: Detailed discussion to generate WG draft of the ACS spec. Collaboration with OASIS SDD TC will be covered.

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[Fwd: ACS-WG #1 back to 2:30 slot]
by Keisuke Fukui (on the road) 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

CDDLM folks, They finally managed to get it back to the original time, though the room is to be announced later. So see you all at 2:30 tomorrow. -Keisuke

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[Fwd: [acs-wg] [Fwd: Re: [cddlm] CDDLM/ACS joint session]]
by Keisuke Fukui (on the road) 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

FYI, I'm trying to switch our sessions so that you can attend both our joint session and ogsa-ems, though Steve may not attend to acs one. -Keisuke

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CDDLM's schedule at GGF14
by Milojicic, Dejan S 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

Hi Team, Below is a compilation of all CDDLM sessions and three invitations we have had for meetings with ACS, OGSA, and WSDM. There is a potential conflict between meetings with ACS and OGSA (see first two entries below) due to discrepancy between the Web site and original invitation, but we'll have to resolve this while at GGF. As I suggested earlier, please consider the Web site as ultimate source of information and we'll try to update it to reflect the real timings. Best regards, Dejan. Jun 28 4:30 p.m. - 6 p.m. Application Contents Service - WG #1 Calendar: Regent 2 Details: Discussing interface between CDDLM and ACS. (We have conflict here and we'll have tio split unless we can move ACS-CDDLM discussion to another slot) Jun 28 4:30 p.m. - 6 p.m. OGSA-WG #4 "EMS Architecture, RSS & DMTF UCWG" Calendar: Wellington 1 Details: EMS Architecture, RSS & DMTF UCWG - Discussion on EMS architecture components - Includes participation from DMTF UCWG Jun 29 7:30 a.m. - 9 a.m. Configuration Description Deployment Lifecycle Mgmt - WG #1 Calendar: Michigan Details: We will have some initial discussions on the reference implementation to be completed at the GGF14 time frame. Jun 29 9 a.m. - 10:30 a.m. OGSA-WG #8 "OASIS WSDM Deep Dive" Calendar: Wellington 2 Details: Detailed explanation of the WSDM specification and technical discussion Jun 29 11 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. OGSA-WG #9 "OASIS WSDM TC" Calendar: Consulate 1&2 Details: Information exchange between OASIS WSDM and GGF OGSA-WG participants. (12:30 PM - 2 PM: All-GGF Town Hall lunch meeting) (3) 2 PM - 3:30 PM, Governor's Suite: Multi-vendor WSDM demo Given that there is a CDDLM-WG session and an OGSA-WG-related session in parallel with the demo (it was impossible to avoid clashes) there is a possibility of a mini-demo right before 2 PM to the OGSA-WG and CDDLM-WG participants. Jun 29 2 p.m. - 3:30 p.m. CDDLM-WG #2 Calendar: Windsor Details: Configuration Description, Deployment, and Lifecycle Management Working Group "CDDLM-WG Interop" We will start discussion on the interoperability between reference implementations of CDDLM of which we are at the moment aware of four Jun 29 6 p.m. - 7:30 p.m. CDDLM-WG #3 Calendar: Windsor Details: Configuration Description, Deployment, and Lifecycle Management Working Group "CDDLM-WG and WSDM" We will evaluate how CDDLM satisfies WSDM interfaces. We will also continue various topics we started a few GGFs ago when we also had a similar session. Namely, how does CDDLM fit into the bigger standards landscape (state transitions, models, other standards, etc.) Jun 30 7:30 a.m. - 9 a.m. Configuration Deployment Description Lifecycle Mgmt - WG #4 Calendar: Regent 1 Details: We will demo existing CDDLM specs by independent preliminary implementations by HP, NEC, adn Softricity. Jun 30 9 a.m. - 10:30 a.m. Configuration Description Deployment Lifecycle Mgmt - WG #5 Calendar: Regent 1 Details: This is a session to discuss relationship between CDDLM and other groups with SRM (JSDL, DRMAA, GRAAP, ACS, etc.). (potentiallly, if we switch ACS#1 and ACS#2) Jun 30 11 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. Application Contents Services - WG #2 Calendar: Michigan Details: Detailed discussion to generate WG draft of the ACS spec. Collaboration with OASIS SDD TC will be covered.

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RE: [cddlm] CDDLM/ACS joint session
by Milojicic, Dejan S 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

Dear Keisuke, The Web site says that the schedule of this session is at 4:30 (rather than 2:30p as your original email suggests), which conflicts with OGSA-WG #4 "EMS Architecture, RSS & DMTF UCWG" that CDDLM is also invited to attend. If this is indeed the case, can you switch your two sessions, so that we instead meet on the last day, June 30th at 11am. This may conflict with Steve's departure, but in that case, we can have an offline meeting with him. Please advise us! Thanks, Dejan. Jun 28 4:30 p.m. - 6 p.m. Application Contents Service - WG #1 Calendar: Regent 2 Details: Discussing interface between CDDLM and ACS. Jun 30 11 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. Application Contents Services - WG #2 Calendar: Michigan Details: Detailed discussion to generate WG draft of the ACS spec. Collaboration with OASIS SDD TC will be covered. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cddlm-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-cddlm-wg@ggf.org] > On Behalf Of Keisuke Fukui > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 4:22 PM > To: 'cddlm-wg(a)ggf.org' > Subject: [cddlm] CDDLM/ACS joint session > > Folks in the CDDLM-WG, > > This is for you to confirm time and place for our joint session. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Jun 28 2:30 p.m. - 4 p.m. > Application Contents Service - WG #1 > Calendar: Michigan > Details: > Discussing interface between CDDLM and ACS. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > We will start the sequence diagram for the possible > interaction between CDDLM and ACS, which we've started > discussion on cddlm-wg ml. Then, we would like to cover > possibilities beyond that. Please be sure be there. > > We are looking forward to see you all. > > -Keisuke Fukui > >

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