All, Below are my (cleaned-up) notes on this morning's Community Council telecon after Bob F. and others had to jump off. Please correct if there are inaccuracies or omissions. --Craig March 14 Telecon: (After Fogel and others had to jump off) In concluding the discussion of GGF-17 content, WG proposed that the major grid projects, e.g., the ones involved in Catlett's GIN efforts, should be invited periodically to present their work, progress and issues to GGF. (A single project should be invited to present every GGF, but rather every few meetings or perhaps once a yearf. We could perhaps establish a practice of letting a major grid project brief once a year.) After discussion of GGF-17 content, we discussed the VOC (Voice of Community) and VAF (Vendor Adoption Forum) concepts. While these concepts and community groups have different focii, they are in fact related. While we usually talk about connecting user groups and standard producers, GF argued that we need to connect user groups <=> vendors <=> standards producers It was proposed that we organize these VAF/VOC meetings around specific themes, e.g., Interoperability (being done by GIN) Industries (Bio-IT, Auto, Pharma, Telecom) Functionality (job submission, file transfer being two major ones) "Does the Emporer Have Any Clothes" (Hype management for groups not realizing expected benefits) GF proposed a meeting on Job Submission motivated by the recent MS HPC document circulated at GGF-16. This could include presentations by both large grid projects _and_ vendors, e.g., Univa, IBM, MS, DataSynapse, OMII, China National Grid, NaReGI, EGEE ... others? Such a meeting should be attended by all types of users, especially representatives of major industries wanting to investigate grids, e.g., Cheryl Dondinger of SAS. Similar efforts could be done around industries, e.g., Telecom. With the progress in the Telecom group and interactions with ITU-T, RC will gauge interest in a meeting w/ Japanese Telecoms and other regional telecoms, e.g., China, Singapore, Korea. (He will most likely go through local contacts like Satoshi M. and Satoshi S.) GF suggested strategy: Make a list of such topics and send to targeted people from all important groups. We should coordinate among ourselves such that each targeted person only gets one email from a known colleague (whose email they will actually read and respond to!). While there is definite interest in pursuing this approach, we need a cognizant individual to spearhead the effort. CL will brief the use case analysis effort at the next telecon.