Community Council Meeting Minutes
All, Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions. Gwen Nichols-White Program Manager Global Grid Forum Office: 630-252-7163 Mobile: 630-337-3176 Fax: 630-252-4466 email: <mailto:gnwhite@ggf.org> gnwhite@ggf.org
* Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June. We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
/*/Gwen Nichols-White/*//*//*/
Program Manager
Global Grid Forum
Office: 630-252-7163
Mobile: 630-337-3176
Fax: 630-252-4466
email: gnwhite@ggf.org <mailto:gnwhite@ggf.org>
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207 -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned. Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks) e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated. I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth. Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM To: cads@ggf.org Cc: Gwen Nichols-White Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes * Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June. We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research Gwen Nichols-White wrote: All, Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions. Gwen Nichols-White Program Manager Global Grid Forum Office: 630-252-7163 Mobile: 630-337-3176 Fax: 630-252-4466 email: <mailto:gnwhite@ggf.org> gnwhite@ggf.org -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207 -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a development environment or the research side of a corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure disappears. Bob Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks)
e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated.
I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM To: cads@ggf.org Cc: Gwen Nichols-White Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
· Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research
Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
Gwen Nichols-White
Program Manager
Global Grid Forum
Office: 630-252-7163
Mobile: 630-337-3176
Fax: 630-252-4466
email: gnwhite@ggf.org <mailto:gnwhite@ggf.org>
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: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu <mailto:gcf@indiana.edu> FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977
: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
--
:
: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu <mailto:gcf@indiana.edu> FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977
: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
We are trying to find one word! The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and Development in it Robert Cohen wrote:
I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a development environment or the research side of a corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure disappears.
Bob
Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks)
e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated.
I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
Alan
-----Original Message----- *From:* owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] *On Behalf Of *Geoffrey Fox *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM *To:* cads@ggf.org *Cc:* Gwen Nichols-White *Subject:* Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
· Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research
Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
/*/Gwen Nichols-White/*/
Program Manager
Global Grid Forum
Office: 630-252-7163
Mobile: 630-337-3176
Fax: 630-252-4466
email: gnwhite@ggf.org <mailto:gnwhite@ggf.org>
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu <mailto:gcf@indiana.edu> FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu <mailto:gcf@indiana.edu> FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
e-Science name of a UK program, so too narrow
e-Research best not to define yet another new term which does not help communication (the point to choosing a word)
Cyberinfrastructure understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps too narrow
Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
Research no*
* the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are talking e- or cyber- or grid. If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like e- Science or cyberinfrastructure. CeC On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
We are trying to find one word! The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and Development in it
Robert Cohen wrote:
I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a development environment or the research side of a corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure disappears.
Bob
Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
Research isn’t as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks)
e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated.
I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM To: cads@ggf.org Cc: Gwen Nichols-White Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
· Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the “Engineering, Science and Research” function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research
Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today’s meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
Gwen Nichols-White
Program Manager
Global Grid Forum
Office: 630-252-7163
Mobile: 630-337-3176
Fax: 630-252-4466
email: gnwhite@ggf.org
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http:// www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http:// www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http:// www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates Catlett Charlie wrote:
e-Science name of a UK program, so too narrow
e-Research best not to define yet another new term which does not help communication (the point to choosing a word)
Cyberinfrastructure understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps too narrow
Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
Research no*
* the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are talking e- or cyber- or grid.
If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like e-Science or cyberinfrastructure.
CeC
On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
We are trying to find one word! The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and Development in it
Robert Cohen wrote:
I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a development environment or the research side of a corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure disappears.
Bob
Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
Research isn’t as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks)
e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated.
I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM To: cads@ggf.org Cc: Gwen Nichols-White Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
· Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the “Engineering, Science and Research” function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research
Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today’s meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
Gwen Nichols-White
Program Manager
Global Grid Forum
Office: 630-252-7163
Mobile: 630-337-3176
Fax: 630-252-4466
email: gnwhite@ggf.org
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities. Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM To: Catlett Charlie Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates Catlett Charlie wrote:
e-Science name of a UK program, so too narrow
e-Research best not to define yet another new term which does not help communication (the point to choosing a word)
Cyberinfrastructure understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps too narrow
Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
Research no*
* the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are talking e- or cyber- or grid.
If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like e-Science or cyberinfrastructure.
CeC
On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
We are trying to find one word! The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and Development in it
Robert Cohen wrote:
I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a development environment or the research side of a corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure disappears.
Bob
Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks)
e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated.
I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM To: cads@ggf.org Cc: Gwen Nichols-White Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
. Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research
Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
Gwen Nichols-White
Program Manager
Global Grid Forum
Office: 630-252-7163
Mobile: 630-337-3176
Fax: 630-252-4466
email: gnwhite@ggf.org
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote:
I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities.
I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be the wrong name for what we are looking for. In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we have scared away most of them.) "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use. What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used GGF internally for researchers?) I suggest to use either a) technology b) science and technology In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words. Thilo
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM To: Catlett Charlie Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates
Catlett Charlie wrote:
e-Science name of a UK program, so too narrow
e-Research best not to define yet another new term which does not help communication (the point to choosing a word)
Cyberinfrastructure understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps too narrow
Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
Research no*
* the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are talking e- or cyber- or grid.
If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like e-Science or cyberinfrastructure.
CeC
On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
We are trying to find one word! The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and Development in it
Robert Cohen wrote:
I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a development environment or the research side of a corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure disappears.
Bob
Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks)
e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated.
I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM To: cads@ggf.org Cc: Gwen Nichols-White Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
. Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research
Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
Gwen Nichols-White
Program Manager
Global Grid Forum
Office: 630-252-7163
Mobile: 630-337-3176
Fax: 630-252-4466
email: gnwhite@ggf.org
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/
All, Just wanted to say I appreciate folks continuing to work this even through it seems somewhat "in the weeds". I also wanted to reiterate a few points and share my still developing opinion on this topic. The reason we are proposing to split the Community function into two functions is to drive focus and accountability regarding two broad "communities" critical to our mission. We also felt it important to enable members of each community to see themselves in the NEWORG's focus, leadership and priorities. I think it is important to get to "1 word" if at all possible because we will utilize this word in our emails, communications on the web, powerpoint slides, day-to-day conversation etc. In the past, we labeled these communities "Industry" and "Research". Simply put, our "Research" name was used to express GGF's historical roots. It attempted (not perfectly I might add) to describe our focus on eScience applications, users and the communities associated with computational research and high performance computing. Our "Industry" label was used to express GGF's desire to focus more on eBusiness applications, users and the communities associated with IT and enterprise data centers within particular industries. Given this as background, I think it is important that we look at both of these critical "communities" in the context of our 1 word naming/labeling exercise. Thus, for instance if we used "eBusiness", we might be inclined to consider "eScience" as the complementary term. I also realize that no combination is going to be perfect. Just to refresh on the charters for these two functions: Charter: The XXXXXX function is responsible for working with scientific, engineering and computer researchers, developers and users to enable scientific discovery, research/engineering collaboration, cyber-infrastructure interoperation and grid education. Charter: The YYYYYY function is responsible for working with enterprise IT professionals, developers and vendors to accelerate Grid adoption within the Enterprise in support of enterprise Line-of-Business (LOB) user organizations. So far, I think the contenders seem to be: eBusiness, eScience Industry, Research Enterprise, Research Business, Science ???????, Infrastructure I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general terms of "Business, Science". I also believe they are more complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise Research". Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at least two or three more times :-) Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo Kielmann Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM To: Alan Blatecky Cc: gcf@indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote:
I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities.
I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be the wrong name for what we are looking for. In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we have scared away most of them.) "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use. What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used GGF internally for researchers?) I suggest to use either a) technology b) science and technology In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words. Thilo
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM To: Catlett Charlie Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates
Catlett Charlie wrote:
e-Science name of a UK program, so too narrow
e-Research best not to define yet another new term which does not help communication (the point to choosing a word)
Cyberinfrastructure understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps too narrow
Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
Research no*
* the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are talking e- or cyber- or grid.
If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like e-Science or cyberinfrastructure.
CeC
On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
We are trying to find one word! The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and Development in it
Robert Cohen wrote:
I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a development environment or the research side of a corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure disappears.
Bob
Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks)
e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated.
I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM To: cads@ggf.org Cc: Gwen Nichols-White Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
. Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a
shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research
Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
Gwen Nichols-White
Program Manager
Global Grid Forum
Office: 630-252-7163
Mobile: 630-337-3176
Fax: 630-252-4466
email: gnwhite@ggf.org
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International
cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/
I agree with Mark's assemsment that the naming should be considered as a pairing. And I believe eScienece and eBusiness does connotate some generality as a keyword rather than being somewhat solely priprietary to a particular project or business. As such I am somewhat leaning towards eScinece/eBusiness as well, although we could invent new words to express the "g word" by saying gScience and gBusiness :-) Satoshi@CERN mark.linesch> mark.linesch> So far, I think the contenders seem to be: mark.linesch> mark.linesch> eBusiness, eScience mark.linesch> Industry, Research mark.linesch> Enterprise, Research mark.linesch> Business, Science mark.linesch> ???????, Infrastructure mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I mark.linesch> realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however mark.linesch> this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in mark.linesch> a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these mark.linesch> terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are mark.linesch> commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific mark.linesch> tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general mark.linesch> terms of "Business, Science". I also believe they are more mark.linesch> complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise mark.linesch> Research". mark.linesch> mark.linesch> Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at mark.linesch> least two or three more times :-) Mark mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo mark.linesch> Kielmann mark.linesch> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM mark.linesch> To: Alan Blatecky mark.linesch> Cc: gcf@indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen mark.linesch> Nichols-White' mark.linesch> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote: mark.linesch> > I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it mark.linesch> > is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly mark.linesch> > overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" mark.linesch> or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be mark.linesch> the wrong name for what we are looking for. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is mark.linesch> what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we mark.linesch> have scared away most of them.) mark.linesch> mark.linesch> "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used mark.linesch> GGF internally for researchers?) mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I suggest to use either mark.linesch> mark.linesch> a) technology mark.linesch> b) science and technology mark.linesch> mark.linesch> In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> Thilo mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Alan mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> > From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of mark.linesch> > Geoffrey Fox mark.linesch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM mark.linesch> > To: Catlett Charlie mark.linesch> > Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' mark.linesch> > Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Catlett Charlie wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science mark.linesch> > > name of a UK program, so too narrow mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research mark.linesch> > > best not to define yet another new term which does not help mark.linesch> > > communication (the point to choosing a word) mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure mark.linesch> > > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps mark.linesch> > > too narrow mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) mark.linesch> > > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word* mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research mark.linesch> > > no* mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an mark.linesch> > > academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" mark.linesch> > > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented mark.linesch> > > organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are mark.linesch> > > talking e- or cyber- or grid. mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science mark.linesch> > > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research mark.linesch> > > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an mark.linesch> > > academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like mark.linesch> > > e-Science or cyberinfrastructure. mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > CeC mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote: mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >> We are trying to find one word! mark.linesch> > >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and mark.linesch> > >> Development in it mark.linesch> > >> mark.linesch> > >> Robert Cohen wrote: mark.linesch> > >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or mark.linesch> > >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a mark.linesch> > >>> development environment or the research side of a corporation. mark.linesch> > >>> Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure mark.linesch> > >>> disappears. mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >>> Bob mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mark.linesch> > >>>> mentioned. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education mark.linesch> > >>>> (hence Research and Education networks) mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage mark.linesch> > >>>> associated. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge mark.linesch> > >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Alan mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> > >>>> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of mark.linesch> > >>>> Geoffrey Fox mark.linesch> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM mark.linesch> > >>>> To: cads@ggf.org mark.linesch> > >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White mark.linesch> > >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> . Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the mark.linesch> > >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize mark.linesch> > >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final mark.linesch> > >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add mark.linesch> > >>>> names and then vote. Here is a start mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) mark.linesch> > >>>> Research mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> All, mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. mark.linesch> > >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. mark.linesch> > >>>> Please call if you have questions. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Program Manager mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Global Grid Forum mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Office: 630-252-7163 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Mobile: 630-337-3176 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Fax: 630-252-4466 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> email: gnwhite@ggf.org mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >> mark.linesch> > >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> > >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >> cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > -- mark.linesch> > : mark.linesch> > : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org mark.linesch> > : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 mark.linesch> > : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> -- mark.linesch> Thilo Kielmann mark.linesch> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ mark.linesch> Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu@acm.org, matsu@is.titech.ac.jp
hi, i am also happy to go with the eScience/eBusiness pairing. dennis On Thu, 25 May 2006, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
I agree with Mark's assemsment that the naming should be considered as a pairing.
And I believe eScienece and eBusiness does connotate some generality as a keyword rather than being somewhat solely priprietary to a particular project or business.
As such I am somewhat leaning towards eScinece/eBusiness as well, although we could invent new words to express the "g word" by saying gScience and gBusiness :-)
Satoshi@CERN
mark.linesch> mark.linesch> So far, I think the contenders seem to be: mark.linesch> mark.linesch> eBusiness, eScience mark.linesch> Industry, Research mark.linesch> Enterprise, Research mark.linesch> Business, Science mark.linesch> ???????, Infrastructure mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I mark.linesch> realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however mark.linesch> this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in mark.linesch> a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these mark.linesch> terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are mark.linesch> commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific mark.linesch> tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general mark.linesch> terms of "Business, Science". I also believe they are more mark.linesch> complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise mark.linesch> Research". mark.linesch> mark.linesch> Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at mark.linesch> least two or three more times :-) Mark mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo mark.linesch> Kielmann mark.linesch> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM mark.linesch> To: Alan Blatecky mark.linesch> Cc: gcf@indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen mark.linesch> Nichols-White' mark.linesch> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote: mark.linesch> > I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it mark.linesch> > is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly mark.linesch> > overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" mark.linesch> or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be mark.linesch> the wrong name for what we are looking for. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is mark.linesch> what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we mark.linesch> have scared away most of them.) mark.linesch> mark.linesch> "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used mark.linesch> GGF internally for researchers?) mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I suggest to use either mark.linesch> mark.linesch> a) technology mark.linesch> b) science and technology mark.linesch> mark.linesch> In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> Thilo mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Alan mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> > From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of mark.linesch> > Geoffrey Fox mark.linesch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM mark.linesch> > To: Catlett Charlie mark.linesch> > Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' mark.linesch> > Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Catlett Charlie wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science mark.linesch> > > name of a UK program, so too narrow mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research mark.linesch> > > best not to define yet another new term which does not help mark.linesch> > > communication (the point to choosing a word) mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure mark.linesch> > > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps mark.linesch> > > too narrow mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) mark.linesch> > > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word* mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research mark.linesch> > > no* mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an mark.linesch> > > academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" mark.linesch> > > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented mark.linesch> > > organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are mark.linesch> > > talking e- or cyber- or grid. mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science mark.linesch> > > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research mark.linesch> > > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an mark.linesch> > > academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like mark.linesch> > > e-Science or cyberinfrastructure. mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > CeC mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote: mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >> We are trying to find one word! mark.linesch> > >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and mark.linesch> > >> Development in it mark.linesch> > >> mark.linesch> > >> Robert Cohen wrote: mark.linesch> > >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or mark.linesch> > >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a mark.linesch> > >>> development environment or the research side of a corporation. mark.linesch> > >>> Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure mark.linesch> > >>> disappears. mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >>> Bob mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mark.linesch> > >>>> mentioned. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education mark.linesch> > >>>> (hence Research and Education networks) mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage mark.linesch> > >>>> associated. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge mark.linesch> > >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Alan mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> > >>>> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of mark.linesch> > >>>> Geoffrey Fox mark.linesch> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM mark.linesch> > >>>> To: cads@ggf.org mark.linesch> > >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White mark.linesch> > >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> . Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the mark.linesch> > >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize mark.linesch> > >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final mark.linesch> > >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add mark.linesch> > >>>> names and then vote. Here is a start mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) mark.linesch> > >>>> Research mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> All, mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. mark.linesch> > >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. mark.linesch> > >>>> Please call if you have questions. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Program Manager mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Global Grid Forum mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Office: 630-252-7163 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Mobile: 630-337-3176 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Fax: 630-252-4466 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> email: gnwhite@ggf.org mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >> mark.linesch> > >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> > >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >> cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > -- mark.linesch> > : mark.linesch> > : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org mark.linesch> > : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 mark.linesch> > : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> -- mark.linesch> Thilo Kielmann mark.linesch> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ mark.linesch>
Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu@acm.org, matsu@is.titech.ac.jp
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:15:37PM -0400, Dennis Gannon wrote:
i am also happy to go with the eScience/eBusiness pairing.
Indeed, this looks like the best proposal, a pairing of two expressive words, indicating exactly (more or less) what we are aiming at. Thilo
dennis
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
I agree with Mark's assemsment that the naming should be considered as a pairing.
And I believe eScienece and eBusiness does connotate some generality as a keyword rather than being somewhat solely priprietary to a particular project or business.
As such I am somewhat leaning towards eScinece/eBusiness as well, although we could invent new words to express the "g word" by saying gScience and gBusiness :-)
Satoshi@CERN
mark.linesch> mark.linesch> So far, I think the contenders seem to be: mark.linesch> mark.linesch> eBusiness, eScience mark.linesch> Industry, Research mark.linesch> Enterprise, Research mark.linesch> Business, Science mark.linesch> ???????, Infrastructure mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I mark.linesch> realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however mark.linesch> this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in mark.linesch> a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these mark.linesch> terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are mark.linesch> commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific mark.linesch> tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general mark.linesch> terms of "Business, Science". I also believe they are more mark.linesch> complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise mark.linesch> Research". mark.linesch> mark.linesch> Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at mark.linesch> least two or three more times :-) Mark mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo mark.linesch> Kielmann mark.linesch> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM mark.linesch> To: Alan Blatecky mark.linesch> Cc: gcf@indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen mark.linesch> Nichols-White' mark.linesch> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote: mark.linesch> > I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it mark.linesch> > is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly mark.linesch> > overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" mark.linesch> or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be mark.linesch> the wrong name for what we are looking for. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is mark.linesch> what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we mark.linesch> have scared away most of them.) mark.linesch> mark.linesch> "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used mark.linesch> GGF internally for researchers?) mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I suggest to use either mark.linesch> mark.linesch> a) technology mark.linesch> b) science and technology mark.linesch> mark.linesch> In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> Thilo mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Alan mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> > From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of mark.linesch> > Geoffrey Fox mark.linesch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM mark.linesch> > To: Catlett Charlie mark.linesch> > Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' mark.linesch> > Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Catlett Charlie wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science mark.linesch> > > name of a UK program, so too narrow mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research mark.linesch> > > best not to define yet another new term which does not help mark.linesch> > > communication (the point to choosing a word) mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure mark.linesch> > > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps mark.linesch> > > too narrow mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) mark.linesch> > > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word* mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research mark.linesch> > > no* mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an mark.linesch> > > academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" mark.linesch> > > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented mark.linesch> > > organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are mark.linesch> > > talking e- or cyber- or grid. mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science mark.linesch> > > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research mark.linesch> > > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an mark.linesch> > > academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like mark.linesch> > > e-Science or cyberinfrastructure. mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > CeC mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote: mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >> We are trying to find one word! mark.linesch> > >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and mark.linesch> > >> Development in it mark.linesch> > >> mark.linesch> > >> Robert Cohen wrote: mark.linesch> > >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or mark.linesch> > >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a mark.linesch> > >>> development environment or the research side of a corporation. mark.linesch> > >>> Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure mark.linesch> > >>> disappears. mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >>> Bob mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mark.linesch> > >>>> mentioned. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education mark.linesch> > >>>> (hence Research and Education networks) mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage mark.linesch> > >>>> associated. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge mark.linesch> > >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Alan mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> > >>>> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of mark.linesch> > >>>> Geoffrey Fox mark.linesch> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM mark.linesch> > >>>> To: cads@ggf.org mark.linesch> > >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White mark.linesch> > >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> . Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the mark.linesch> > >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize mark.linesch> > >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final mark.linesch> > >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add mark.linesch> > >>>> names and then vote. Here is a start mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) mark.linesch> > >>>> Research mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> All, mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. mark.linesch> > >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. mark.linesch> > >>>> Please call if you have questions. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Program Manager mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Global Grid Forum mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Office: 630-252-7163 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Mobile: 630-337-3176 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Fax: 630-252-4466 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> email: gnwhite@ggf.org mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >> mark.linesch> > >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> > >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >> cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > -- mark.linesch> > : mark.linesch> > : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org mark.linesch> > : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 mark.linesch> > : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> -- mark.linesch> Thilo Kielmann mark.linesch> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ mark.linesch>
Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu@acm.org, matsu@is.titech.ac.jp
-- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/
Apparently, eBusiness seems to be a common noun now with no apparent ownership (say IBM). There is the UK e-Science but notice the hyphen. eScience seems to be a registered trademark of the American Chemical Society in the US. So luckily the eBusiness/eScience in its literal form seems to have no proprietary ownership in the Grid space, and may in fact be appropriate in this context. Satoshi@CERN On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:36:02 +0200 Thilo Kielmann <kielmann@cs.vu.nl> wrote: kielmann> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:15:37PM -0400, Dennis Gannon wrote: kielmann> > kielmann> > i am also happy to go with the eScience/eBusiness pairing. kielmann> kielmann> Indeed, this looks like the best proposal, a pairing of two expressive kielmann> words, indicating exactly (more or less) what we are aiming at. kielmann> kielmann> kielmann> Thilo kielmann> kielmann> > dennis kielmann> > kielmann> > On Thu, 25 May 2006, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: kielmann> > kielmann> > > kielmann> > > kielmann> > > I agree with Mark's assemsment that the naming should be considered as a kielmann> > > pairing. kielmann> > > kielmann> > > And I believe eScienece and eBusiness does connotate some generality as kielmann> > > a keyword rather than being somewhat solely priprietary to a particular kielmann> > > project or business. kielmann> > > kielmann> > > As such I am somewhat leaning towards eScinece/eBusiness as well, kielmann> > > although we could invent new words to express the "g word" by saying kielmann> > > gScience and gBusiness :-) kielmann> > > kielmann> > > Satoshi@CERN kielmann> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> So far, I think the contenders seem to be: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> eBusiness, eScience kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Industry, Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Enterprise, Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Business, Science kielmann> > > mark.linesch> ???????, Infrastructure kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I kielmann> > > mark.linesch> realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however kielmann> > > mark.linesch> this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in kielmann> > > mark.linesch> a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these kielmann> > > mark.linesch> terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are kielmann> > > mark.linesch> commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific kielmann> > > mark.linesch> tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general kielmann> > > mark.linesch> terms of "Business, Science". I also believe they are more kielmann> > > mark.linesch> complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Research". kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at kielmann> > > mark.linesch> least two or three more times :-) Mark kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> -----Original Message----- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Kielmann kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM kielmann> > > mark.linesch> To: Alan Blatecky kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Cc: gcf@indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Nichols-White' kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" kielmann> > > mark.linesch> or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be kielmann> > > mark.linesch> the wrong name for what we are looking for. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is kielmann> > > mark.linesch> what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we kielmann> > > mark.linesch> have scared away most of them.) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used kielmann> > > mark.linesch> GGF internally for researchers?) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> I suggest to use either kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> a) technology kielmann> > > mark.linesch> b) science and technology kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Thilo kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Alan kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > -----Original Message----- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Geoffrey Fox kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > To: Catlett Charlie kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Catlett Charlie wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > name of a UK program, so too narrow kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > best not to define yet another new term which does not help kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > communication (the point to choosing a word) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > too narrow kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word* kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > no* kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > talking e- or cyber- or grid. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > e-Science or cyberinfrastructure. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > CeC kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> We are trying to find one word! kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> Development in it kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> Robert Cohen wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> development environment or the research side of a corporation. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> disappears. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Bob kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> mentioned. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> (hence Research and Education networks) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> associated. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Alan kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> -----Original Message----- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Geoffrey Fox kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> To: cads@ggf.org kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> . Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> names and then vote. Here is a start kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> All, kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Please call if you have questions. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Program Manager kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Global Grid Forum kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Office: 630-252-7163 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Mobile: 630-337-3176 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Fax: 630-252-4466 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> email: gnwhite@ggf.org kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> cell 8123910207 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > -- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> -- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Thilo Kielmann kielmann> > > mark.linesch> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > kielmann> > > Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor kielmann> > > Global Scientific Information and Computing Center kielmann> > > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences kielmann> > > Tokyo Institute of Technology kielmann> > > Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan kielmann> > > Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu@acm.org, matsu@is.titech.ac.jp kielmann> > > kielmann> > > kielmann> kielmann> kielmann> kielmann> -- kielmann> Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ kielmann> Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu@acm.org, matsu@is.titech.ac.jp
How about infrastructure and virtualization? I think this will avoid the words science, research, and cyberinfrastructure and provide a clear idea of the focus. I know there is some debate about virtualization and what it stands for, but I think it would be a very helpful term here. Bob Catlett Charlie wrote:
e-Science
name of a UK program, so too narrow
e-Research
best not to define yet another new term which does not help communication (the point to choosing a word)
Cyberinfrastructure
understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps too narrow
Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering)
ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
Research
no*
* the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are talking e- or cyber- or grid.
If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like e- Science or cyberinfrastructure.
CeC
On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
We are trying to find one word! The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and Development in it
Robert Cohen wrote:
I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a development environment or the research side of a corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure disappears.
Bob
Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
Research isn’t as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks)
e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated.
I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM To: cads@ggf.org Cc: Gwen Nichols-White Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
· Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the “Engineering, Science and Research” function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research
Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today’s meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
Gwen Nichols-White
Program Manager
Global Grid Forum
Office: 630-252-7163
Mobile: 630-337-3176
Fax: 630-252-4466
email: gnwhite@ggf.org
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-- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http:// www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
-- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http:// www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
participants (9)
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Alan Blatecky -
Catlett Charlie -
Dennis Gannon -
Geoffrey Fox -
Gwen Nichols-White -
Linesch, Mark -
Robert Cohen -
Satoshi Matsuoka -
Thilo Kielmann