Apparently, eBusiness seems to be a common noun now with no apparent ownership (say IBM). There is the UK e-Science but notice the hyphen. eScience seems to be a registered trademark of the American Chemical Society in the US. So luckily the eBusiness/eScience in its literal form seems to have no proprietary ownership in the Grid space, and may in fact be appropriate in this context. Satoshi@CERN On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:36:02 +0200 Thilo Kielmann <kielmann@cs.vu.nl> wrote: kielmann> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:15:37PM -0400, Dennis Gannon wrote: kielmann> > kielmann> > i am also happy to go with the eScience/eBusiness pairing. kielmann> kielmann> Indeed, this looks like the best proposal, a pairing of two expressive kielmann> words, indicating exactly (more or less) what we are aiming at. kielmann> kielmann> kielmann> Thilo kielmann> kielmann> > dennis kielmann> > kielmann> > On Thu, 25 May 2006, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: kielmann> > kielmann> > > kielmann> > > kielmann> > > I agree with Mark's assemsment that the naming should be considered as a kielmann> > > pairing. kielmann> > > kielmann> > > And I believe eScienece and eBusiness does connotate some generality as kielmann> > > a keyword rather than being somewhat solely priprietary to a particular kielmann> > > project or business. kielmann> > > kielmann> > > As such I am somewhat leaning towards eScinece/eBusiness as well, kielmann> > > although we could invent new words to express the "g word" by saying kielmann> > > gScience and gBusiness :-) kielmann> > > kielmann> > > Satoshi@CERN kielmann> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> So far, I think the contenders seem to be: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> eBusiness, eScience kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Industry, Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Enterprise, Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Business, Science kielmann> > > mark.linesch> ???????, Infrastructure kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I kielmann> > > mark.linesch> realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however kielmann> > > mark.linesch> this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in kielmann> > > mark.linesch> a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these kielmann> > > mark.linesch> terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are kielmann> > > mark.linesch> commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific kielmann> > > mark.linesch> tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general kielmann> > > mark.linesch> terms of "Business, Science". I also believe they are more kielmann> > > mark.linesch> complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Research". kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at kielmann> > > mark.linesch> least two or three more times :-) Mark kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> -----Original Message----- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Kielmann kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM kielmann> > > mark.linesch> To: Alan Blatecky kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Cc: gcf@indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Nichols-White' kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" kielmann> > > mark.linesch> or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be kielmann> > > mark.linesch> the wrong name for what we are looking for. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is kielmann> > > mark.linesch> what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we kielmann> > > mark.linesch> have scared away most of them.) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used kielmann> > > mark.linesch> GGF internally for researchers?) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> I suggest to use either kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> a) technology kielmann> > > mark.linesch> b) science and technology kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Thilo kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Alan kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > -----Original Message----- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Geoffrey Fox kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > To: Catlett Charlie kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Catlett Charlie wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > name of a UK program, so too narrow kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > best not to define yet another new term which does not help kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > communication (the point to choosing a word) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > too narrow kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word* kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > no* kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > talking e- or cyber- or grid. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > e-Science or cyberinfrastructure. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > CeC kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> We are trying to find one word! kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> Development in it kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> Robert Cohen wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> development environment or the research side of a corporation. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> disappears. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Bob kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> mentioned. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> (hence Research and Education networks) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> associated. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Alan kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> -----Original Message----- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Geoffrey Fox kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> To: cads@ggf.org kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> . Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> names and then vote. Here is a start kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote: kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> All, kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Please call if you have questions. kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Program Manager kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Global Grid Forum kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Office: 630-252-7163 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Mobile: 630-337-3176 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Fax: 630-252-4466 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> email: gnwhite@ggf.org kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> cell 8123910207 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > -- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207 kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > mark.linesch> -- kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Thilo Kielmann kielmann> > > mark.linesch> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ kielmann> > > mark.linesch> kielmann> > > kielmann> > > Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor kielmann> > > Global Scientific Information and Computing Center kielmann> > > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences kielmann> > > Tokyo Institute of Technology kielmann> > > Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan kielmann> > > Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu@acm.org, matsu@is.titech.ac.jp kielmann> > > kielmann> > > kielmann> kielmann> kielmann> kielmann> -- kielmann> Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ kielmann> Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu@acm.org, matsu@is.titech.ac.jp