On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:15:37PM -0400, Dennis Gannon wrote:
i am also happy to go with the eScience/eBusiness pairing.
Indeed, this looks like the best proposal, a pairing of two expressive words, indicating exactly (more or less) what we are aiming at. Thilo
dennis
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
I agree with Mark's assemsment that the naming should be considered as a pairing.
And I believe eScienece and eBusiness does connotate some generality as a keyword rather than being somewhat solely priprietary to a particular project or business.
As such I am somewhat leaning towards eScinece/eBusiness as well, although we could invent new words to express the "g word" by saying gScience and gBusiness :-)
Satoshi@CERN
mark.linesch> mark.linesch> So far, I think the contenders seem to be: mark.linesch> mark.linesch> eBusiness, eScience mark.linesch> Industry, Research mark.linesch> Enterprise, Research mark.linesch> Business, Science mark.linesch> ???????, Infrastructure mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I mark.linesch> realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however mark.linesch> this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in mark.linesch> a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these mark.linesch> terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are mark.linesch> commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific mark.linesch> tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general mark.linesch> terms of "Business, Science". I also believe they are more mark.linesch> complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise mark.linesch> Research". mark.linesch> mark.linesch> Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at mark.linesch> least two or three more times :-) Mark mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo mark.linesch> Kielmann mark.linesch> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM mark.linesch> To: Alan Blatecky mark.linesch> Cc: gcf@indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen mark.linesch> Nichols-White' mark.linesch> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote: mark.linesch> > I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it mark.linesch> > is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly mark.linesch> > overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" mark.linesch> or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be mark.linesch> the wrong name for what we are looking for. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is mark.linesch> what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we mark.linesch> have scared away most of them.) mark.linesch> mark.linesch> "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used mark.linesch> GGF internally for researchers?) mark.linesch> mark.linesch> I suggest to use either mark.linesch> mark.linesch> a) technology mark.linesch> b) science and technology mark.linesch> mark.linesch> In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words. mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> Thilo mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Alan mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> > From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of mark.linesch> > Geoffrey Fox mark.linesch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM mark.linesch> > To: Catlett Charlie mark.linesch> > Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' mark.linesch> > Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > Catlett Charlie wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science mark.linesch> > > name of a UK program, so too narrow mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research mark.linesch> > > best not to define yet another new term which does not help mark.linesch> > > communication (the point to choosing a word) mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure mark.linesch> > > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps mark.linesch> > > too narrow mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) mark.linesch> > > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word* mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research mark.linesch> > > no* mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an mark.linesch> > > academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" mark.linesch> > > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented mark.linesch> > > organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are mark.linesch> > > talking e- or cyber- or grid. mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science mark.linesch> > > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research mark.linesch> > > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an mark.linesch> > > academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like mark.linesch> > > e-Science or cyberinfrastructure. mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > CeC mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote: mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > >> We are trying to find one word! mark.linesch> > >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and mark.linesch> > >> Development in it mark.linesch> > >> mark.linesch> > >> Robert Cohen wrote: mark.linesch> > >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or mark.linesch> > >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a mark.linesch> > >>> development environment or the research side of a corporation. mark.linesch> > >>> Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure mark.linesch> > >>> disappears. mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >>> Bob mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mark.linesch> > >>>> mentioned. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education mark.linesch> > >>>> (hence Research and Education networks) mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage mark.linesch> > >>>> associated. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge mark.linesch> > >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Alan mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -----Original Message----- mark.linesch> > >>>> From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of mark.linesch> > >>>> Geoffrey Fox mark.linesch> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM mark.linesch> > >>>> To: cads@ggf.org mark.linesch> > >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White mark.linesch> > >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> . Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the mark.linesch> > >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize mark.linesch> > >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final mark.linesch> > >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add mark.linesch> > >>>> names and then vote. Here is a start mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering) mark.linesch> > >>>> Research mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote: mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> All, mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. mark.linesch> > >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. mark.linesch> > >>>> Please call if you have questions. mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Program Manager mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Global Grid Forum mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Office: 630-252-7163 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Mobile: 630-337-3176 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> Fax: 630-252-4466 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> email: gnwhite@ggf.org mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > >>> mark.linesch> > >> mark.linesch> > >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 mark.linesch> > >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 mark.linesch> > >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International mark.linesch> mark.linesch> > >> cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > > mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > -- mark.linesch> > : mark.linesch> > : Geoffrey Fox gcf@indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org mark.linesch> > : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 mark.linesch> > : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207 mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> > mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> mark.linesch> -- mark.linesch> Thilo Kielmann mark.linesch> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ mark.linesch>
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