All, Just wanted to say I appreciate folks continuing to work this even through it seems somewhat "in the weeds". I also wanted to reiterate a few points and share my still developing opinion on this topic. The reason we are proposing to split the Community function into two functions is to drive focus and accountability regarding two broad "communities" critical to our mission. We also felt it important to enable members of each community to see themselves in the NEWORG's focus, leadership and priorities. I think it is important to get to "1 word" if at all possible because we will utilize this word in our emails, communications on the web, powerpoint slides, day-to-day conversation etc. In the past, we labeled these communities "Industry" and "Research". Simply put, our "Research" name was used to express GGF's historical roots. It attempted (not perfectly I might add) to describe our focus on eScience applications, users and the communities associated with computational research and high performance computing. Our "Industry" label was used to express GGF's desire to focus more on eBusiness applications, users and the communities associated with IT and enterprise data centers within particular industries. Given this as background, I think it is important that we look at both of these critical "communities" in the context of our 1 word naming/labeling exercise. Thus, for instance if we used "eBusiness", we might be inclined to consider "eScience" as the complementary term. I also realize that no combination is going to be perfect. Just to refresh on the charters for these two functions: Charter: The XXXXXX function is responsible for working with scientific, engineering and computer researchers, developers and users to enable scientific discovery, research/engineering collaboration, cyber-infrastructure interoperation and grid education. Charter: The YYYYYY function is responsible for working with enterprise IT professionals, developers and vendors to accelerate Grid adoption within the Enterprise in support of enterprise Line-of-Business (LOB) user organizations. So far, I think the contenders seem to be: eBusiness, eScience Industry, Research Enterprise, Research Business, Science ???????, Infrastructure I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general terms of "Business, Science". I also believe they are more complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise Research". Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at least two or three more times :-) Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo Kielmann Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM To: Alan Blatecky Cc: gcf@indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote:
I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities.
I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be the wrong name for what we are looking for. In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we have scared away most of them.) "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use. What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used GGF internally for researchers?) I suggest to use either a) technology b) science and technology In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words. Thilo
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM To: Catlett Charlie Cc: cads@ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White' Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates
Catlett Charlie wrote:
e-Science name of a UK program, so too narrow
e-Research best not to define yet another new term which does not help communication (the point to choosing a word)
Cyberinfrastructure understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps too narrow
Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
Research no*
* the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are talking e- or cyber- or grid.
If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like e-Science or cyberinfrastructure.
CeC
On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
We are trying to find one word! The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and Development in it
Robert Cohen wrote:
I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a development environment or the research side of a corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure disappears.
Bob
Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education (hence Research and Education networks)
e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage associated.
I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
Alan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cads@ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Fox Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM To: cads@ggf.org Cc: Gwen Nichols-White Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
. Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a
shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
e-Science e-Research Cyberinfrastructure Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and engineering) Research
Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
All,
Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting. Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06. Please call if you have questions.
Gwen Nichols-White
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