Folks, Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul! I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13: - Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis. Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13! -Keisuke Fukui
Hi Keisuke, I agree we need requirements analysis and the use cases. Especially, the use cases are indispensable for explaining what we are aiming for. I know Keisuke and I have a CDC (commercial data center) use case and Pete wrote a grid appliances use case on the former acs-bof ml. Also, I think "the ability to replicate/synchronize", which Pete mentioned a while back in the course of the requirements discussion, is one of the interesting usages of ACS. What else do we have? As for the issues for GGF13, in addition to Keisuke's list, I am concerned about the relationship with the other WGs (especially with CDDLM-WG and OGSA-WG) since We must cooperate with them to achieve our use case goal. Sachiko Wada At Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:12:08 +0900, Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul!
I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13:
- Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself
In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis.
Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13!
-Keisuke Fukui
Folks, To attract more interests from broader range of people, I call for the use cases related to the ACS specification. Sachiko can provide one, but I would appreciate it if we can invite more people to show their use cases. Do you have good usecases or know anyone who has them? At this first stage of the session, I guess it is more important to share the future vision rather than thinking too hard about the feasibility today. Please help us make this happen. I appreciate your involvement! -Keisuke Sachiko Wada wrote:
Hi Keisuke,
I agree we need requirements analysis and the use cases. Especially, the use cases are indispensable for explaining what we are aiming for.
I know Keisuke and I have a CDC (commercial data center) use case and Pete wrote a grid appliances use case on the former acs-bof ml. Also, I think "the ability to replicate/synchronize", which Pete mentioned a while back in the course of the requirements discussion, is one of the interesting usages of ACS. What else do we have?
As for the issues for GGF13, in addition to Keisuke's list, I am concerned about the relationship with the other WGs (especially with CDDLM-WG and OGSA-WG) since We must cooperate with them to achieve our use case goal.
Sachiko Wada
At Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:12:08 +0900, Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul!
I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13:
- Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself
In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis.
Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13!
-Keisuke Fukui
Folks, The administration requires us to upload the session material by February 18. I believe we can update them once uploaded the doc there. As such, I'm going to upload the current version of requirement documents a part of the material to the project document manager. Please check if it is ok to upload the attached one. I updated the doc w.r.t the comments from Pete, et al. -Keisuke Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul!
I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13:
- Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself
In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis.
Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13!
-Keisuke Fukui
Okay by me. Also - I have a few notes from Globus World which pertain to ACS: 1) Frank Siebenllist (security) mentioned in his brief a possible solution to some of the security risks: Dynamic deployment of a container (VM). This falls right in line with one of the requirements. As Frank put it: “Extremely cool stuff, I think” 2) GridPlan is an open source capability to support grid capacity and simulation. The speaker mentioned that they want to create an XML document to describe all the nodes required for an execution, so that it can perform the simulation, etc. I suggested to him to look into the ACS WG as there might be an opportunity for some synergy - if the simulate would then include an ACS component, that would be great. Also, perhaps a common XML document can be used. They might be able to provide a use case. Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
The administration requires us to upload the session material by February 18.
I believe we can update them once uploaded the doc there. As such, I'm going to upload the current version of requirement documents a part of the material to the project document manager. Please check if it is ok to upload the attached one. I updated the doc w.r.t the comments from Pete, et al.
-Keisuke
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul!
I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13:
- Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself
In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis.
Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13!
-Keisuke Fukui
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Thanks Mike for reviewing the doc and also for a good input from the Globus World. I believe Frank was among the participants when I presented a overview of the ACS at the OGSA F2F last summer, but I've never had a chance to hear the topics. Is that about a security risk management in a Dynamic deployment of a container? I didn't catch what is extremely cool stuff. Also, interesting is the GridPlan. I will check this more later. Thanks for an info. and a recruiting effort :-) -Keisuke behrens wrote:
Okay by me. Also - I have a few notes from Globus World which pertain to ACS: 1) Frank Siebenllist (security) mentioned in his brief a possible solution to some of the security risks: Dynamic deployment of a container (VM). This falls right in line with one of the requirements. As Frank put it: “Extremely cool stuff, I think” 2) GridPlan is an open source capability to support grid capacity and simulation. The speaker mentioned that they want to create an XML document to describe all the nodes required for an execution, so that it can perform the simulation, etc. I suggested to him to look into the ACS WG as there might be an opportunity for some synergy - if the simulate would then include an ACS component, that would be great. Also, perhaps a common XML document can be used. They might be able to provide a use case.
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
The administration requires us to upload the session material by February 18.
I believe we can update them once uploaded the doc there. As such, I'm going to upload the current version of requirement documents a part of the material to the project document manager. Please check if it is ok to upload the attached one. I updated the doc w.r.t the comments from Pete, et al.
-Keisuke
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul!
I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13:
- Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself
In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis.
Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13!
-Keisuke Fukui
Tom, Pete, and folks, Here is my rough idea about what we'd like to have at GGF13. - Two sessions at GGF13. One for introduction to new comers for ACS-WG, the other for detailed discussion and planning towards the next step and next meeting. - In the introductory one, we'd like to present short overview of the ACS itself, and then use cases that will be enabled by ACS. Among the candidates are the commercial data center grid, targeted by Japanese business grid project, Science grid, NaReGI Problem Solving Environment, the one that Pete and Mike are pursuing. - In the detailed discussion and planning session, we'd like to examine current set of requirements for ACS, based on the list I have posted here. Also, we'd like talk about the relationship to the Solution Installation, including the synergy we can expect and how we can join its standardization. I expect Tom will fill us in the latest info in the area. I'd like cherish the collaboration with this activity as a leverage to realize our vision. We'd like to request phone line in the session room to have a bridge to those cannot be present in the session. I hope participants from other WG's such as the CDDLM-WG, OGSA EMS BOF. It would be nice if they join our discussion or at least give us comments on ACS. What's your idea about this? Any comments? -Keisuke Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul!
I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13:
- Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself
In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis.
Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13!
-Keisuke Fukui
Folks, As I suggested last week, we are planning preparation meetings over the phone for GGF13 preparation. Considering the announced deadline for session requests, February 18, I'm not sure if we can have one before that. But anyway, how many are attending it, except for Tom and Pete? Also, I have the following time slots in mind for the meeting: Mon 19:00 EST/(Mon 16:00 PST)/Tue 9:00 JST Wed 19:00 EST/(Wed 16:00 PST)/Thu 9:00 JST Thu 19:00 EST/(Thu 16:00 PST)/Fri 9:00 JST The first one may be too late to schedule for this week. Does these work for everyone? If not, please present your preference. If it works, we may have one before the deadline. One last thing, I'm now asking if Pete or Tom can host it, I think I can host the phone bridge in case they can't. However, it may result in more cost to join for most of the participants, since the dialing number will be in Japan. If someone on the list can host it, it would be appreciated very much. -Keisuke Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Tom, Pete, and folks,
Here is my rough idea about what we'd like to have at GGF13.
- Two sessions at GGF13. One for introduction to new comers for ACS-WG, the other for detailed discussion and planning towards the next step and next meeting. - In the introductory one, we'd like to present short overview of the ACS itself, and then use cases that will be enabled by ACS. Among the candidates are the commercial data center grid, targeted by Japanese business grid project, Science grid, NaReGI Problem Solving Environment, the one that Pete and Mike are pursuing. - In the detailed discussion and planning session, we'd like to examine current set of requirements for ACS, based on the list I have posted here. Also, we'd like talk about the relationship to the Solution Installation, including the synergy we can expect and how we can join its standardization. I expect Tom will fill us in the latest info in the area. I'd like cherish the collaboration with this activity as a leverage to realize our vision.
We'd like to request phone line in the session room to have a bridge to those cannot be present in the session. I hope participants from other WG's such as the CDDLM-WG, OGSA EMS BOF. It would be nice if they join our discussion or at least give us comments on ACS.
What's your idea about this? Any comments?
-Keisuke
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul!
I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13:
- Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself
In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis.
Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13!
-Keisuke Fukui
Fukui-san, all of these times are good for me and I can host the call. Since we have too little time to get agreement from everyone for a Monday call I suggest we limit to Wednesday or Thursday. For the moment I will assume we will have a Wed 19:00 EST/(Wed 16:00 PST)/Thu 9:00 JST call. Here is the call-in info: Toll Free: 1-800-497-2024 Toll: +1-719-457-3821 Tie Line: 650-3239 PC: 358182 Thomas W. Studwell Senior Technical Staff Member, Autonomic Computing Architecture IBM Software Group B140/Bldg 500 4205 S Miami Blvd, Durham, NC 27703 (919) 254-7574 Fax: (919) 254-7628 Mobile: (919) 619-1038 studwell@us.ibm.com "The optimist sees opportunity in every danger; the pessimist sees danger in every opportunity." Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965) Keisuke Fukui <kfukui@labs.fuji tsu.com> To Sent by: Keisuke Fukui owner-acs-wg@ggf. <kfukui@labs.fujitsu.com> org cc acs-wg@ggf.org Subject 02/14/2005 01:55 [acs-wg] Telephone conference for AM GGF13 preparation Folks, As I suggested last week, we are planning preparation meetings over the phone for GGF13 preparation. Considering the announced deadline for session requests, February 18, I'm not sure if we can have one before that. But anyway, how many are attending it, except for Tom and Pete? Also, I have the following time slots in mind for the meeting: Mon 19:00 EST/(Mon 16:00 PST)/Tue 9:00 JST Wed 19:00 EST/(Wed 16:00 PST)/Thu 9:00 JST Thu 19:00 EST/(Thu 16:00 PST)/Fri 9:00 JST The first one may be too late to schedule for this week. Does these work for everyone? If not, please present your preference. If it works, we may have one before the deadline. One last thing, I'm now asking if Pete or Tom can host it, I think I can host the phone bridge in case they can't. However, it may result in more cost to join for most of the participants, since the dialing number will be in Japan. If someone on the list can host it, it would be appreciated very much. -Keisuke Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Tom, Pete, and folks,
Here is my rough idea about what we'd like to have at GGF13.
- Two sessions at GGF13. One for introduction to new comers for ACS-WG, the other for detailed discussion and planning towards the next step and next meeting. - In the introductory one, we'd like to present short overview of the ACS itself, and then use cases that will be enabled by ACS. Among the candidates are the commercial data center grid, targeted by Japanese business grid project, Science grid, NaReGI Problem Solving Environment, the one that Pete and Mike are pursuing. - In the detailed discussion and planning session, we'd like to examine current set of requirements for ACS, based on the list I have posted here. Also, we'd like talk about the relationship to the Solution Installation, including the synergy we can expect and how we can join its standardization. I expect Tom will fill us in the latest info in the area. I'd like cherish the collaboration with this activity as a leverage to realize our vision.
We'd like to request phone line in the session room to have a bridge to those cannot be present in the session. I hope participants from other WG's such as the CDDLM-WG, OGSA EMS BOF. It would be nice if they join our discussion or at least give us comments on ACS.
What's your idea about this? Any comments?
-Keisuke
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul!
I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13:
- Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself
In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis.
Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13!
-Keisuke Fukui
Tom, Pete and folks, So let's have a talk on Wednesday 19:00 EST this week. Everybody, please join in the call, especially if you have something to present at GGF13. We'd like cover the below agenda then: - How many sessions at GGF13? - What are other WG sessions to avoid time slot conflicting? (e.g. CDDLM, OGSA EMS BOF..) - Who can present the material? (use cases, collaboration to other standardization..) - Other candidates for the presentation at the sessions. - Who will be present at the session and who will join remotely? - Next call. Please respond to this e-mail if you have more agenda. Thank you very much for your kind offering for a phone bridge, Tom. -Keisuke P.S. I removed 'owner-acs-wg' from the recipient. I believe it's for administration purpose of the mailing list. Thanks for your Thomas Studwell wrote:
Fukui-san, all of these times are good for me and I can host the call. Since we have too little time to get agreement from everyone for a Monday call I suggest we limit to Wednesday or Thursday. For the moment I will assume we will have a Wed 19:00 EST/(Wed 16:00 PST)/Thu 9:00 JST call. Here is the call-in info: Toll Free: 1-800-497-2024 Toll: +1-719-457-3821 Tie Line: 650-3239
PC: 358182
Thomas W. Studwell Senior Technical Staff Member, Autonomic Computing Architecture IBM Software Group B140/Bldg 500 4205 S Miami Blvd, Durham, NC 27703 (919) 254-7574 Fax: (919) 254-7628 Mobile: (919) 619-1038 studwell@us.ibm.com
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Folks,
As I suggested last week, we are planning preparation meetings over the phone for GGF13 preparation. Considering the announced deadline for session requests, February 18, I'm not sure if we can have one before that. But anyway, how many are attending it, except for Tom and Pete?
Also, I have the following time slots in mind for the meeting:
Mon 19:00 EST/(Mon 16:00 PST)/Tue 9:00 JST Wed 19:00 EST/(Wed 16:00 PST)/Thu 9:00 JST Thu 19:00 EST/(Thu 16:00 PST)/Fri 9:00 JST
The first one may be too late to schedule for this week. Does these work for everyone? If not, please present your preference. If it works, we may have one before the deadline.
One last thing, I'm now asking if Pete or Tom can host it, I think I can host the phone bridge in case they can't. However, it may result in more cost to join for most of the participants, since the dialing number will be in Japan. If someone on the list can host it, it would be appreciated very much.
-Keisuke
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Tom, Pete, and folks,
Here is my rough idea about what we'd like to have at GGF13.
- Two sessions at GGF13. One for introduction to new comers for ACS-WG, the other for detailed discussion and planning towards the next step and next meeting. - In the introductory one, we'd like to present short overview of the ACS itself, and then use cases that will be enabled by ACS. Among the candidates are the commercial data center grid, targeted by Japanese business grid project, Science grid, NaReGI Problem Solving Environment, the one that Pete and Mike are pursuing. - In the detailed discussion and planning session, we'd like to examine current set of requirements for ACS, based on the list I have posted here. Also, we'd like talk about the relationship to the Solution Installation, including the synergy we can expect and how we can join its standardization. I expect Tom will fill us in the latest info in the area. I'd like cherish the collaboration with this activity as a leverage to realize our vision.
We'd like to request phone line in the session room to have a bridge to those cannot be present in the session. I hope participants from other WG's such as the CDDLM-WG, OGSA EMS BOF. It would be nice if they join our discussion or at least give us comments on ACS.
What's your idea about this? Any comments?
-Keisuke
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Folks,
Since the ACS-WG is officially approved, I hope we can meet at the ACS sessions at GGF13 in Seoul!
I'd like to discuss about our future plan. I think we need think about the below issues for GGF13:
- Requirements refinement (including relationship to the Solution Installation) - Usecase collection - Verifing of the Milestones and Charter - Plenary session to recruit extra people to join - Prior recruiting for the ACS-WG session itself
In addition, some logistics for GGF13 need to be found out, such as Session Plan, inviting the speakers; I guess we need expertise from security and data transport area to refine our requirements. Also, we'd like collect fair number of the usecases to justify our requirement analysis.
Having a conference call about this may accelerate the discussion, though the comments on the mailing list are also welcomed. Please let me know your idea about these. And I expect all of you can meet at the GGF13!
-Keisuke Fukui
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behrens -
Keisuke Fukui -
Sachiko Wada -
Thomas Studwell