[acs-wg] Service Modeling Language (SML)
Thanks, Mike! This sounds like a step ahead practice than today's framework. It may help us to do things more clearly. What is your idea on this? -Keisuke Michael Behrens wrote:
(cross post): Take a look at the SML links below, as it might affect ACS in the future....
Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
Hi all,
In July 2006, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Intel and several other companies have published "service modeling language (SML)." This is a XML based language specification and expected to be used to model complex IT services and systems, including their structure, constraints, policies, and best practices. SML is based on a profile on XML Schema and Schematron.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/dsi/serviceml.mspx
This spec is still proprietary and authors are going to submit it to one of SDOs maybe early this year (Q1).
Heather Kreger, one of authors, will provide one hour educational session. This session is *not* OGSA nor OGF session. They will explain but no feedback allowed unless we sign a contributer agreement form.
Date: January 15, Monday time: 5-6pm ET, 4-5pm CT, 2-3pm PT, 7-8am JST, 10-11pm UK dial-in: 877-811-9717 pc: 440496
After this session, we will switch to our regular OGSA-WG dial-in and start to discuss without authors.
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I agree that it is a step ahead. ACS could manage an SML XML document descriptor as well. :) SML seems to me at first glance to weave together management and deployment/provisioning and potentially more. If a "complete" model is rendered, then the model could be used to drive everything from determining where to best provision something (based on the use of constraints), and then know how to manage the system and dependencies. Maybe I'm reading too much into it for now - I'll need to study it more and try to figure out all the places where it can be applied. It will be interesting to see their scenarios. There is also a mention of a database to store and distribute models using the SML-IF potentially - a familiar pattern. Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Thanks, Mike!
This sounds like a step ahead practice than today's framework. It may help us to do things more clearly. What is your idea on this?
-Keisuke
Michael Behrens wrote:
(cross post): Take a look at the SML links below, as it might affect ACS in the future....
Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
Hi all,
In July 2006, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Intel and several other companies have published "service modeling language (SML)." This is a XML based language specification and expected to be used to model complex IT services and systems, including their structure, constraints, policies, and best practices. SML is based on a profile on XML Schema and Schematron.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/dsi/serviceml.mspx
This spec is still proprietary and authors are going to submit it to one of SDOs maybe early this year (Q1).
Heather Kreger, one of authors, will provide one hour educational session. This session is *not* OGSA nor OGF session. They will explain but no feedback allowed unless we sign a contributer agreement form.
Date: January 15, Monday time: 5-6pm ET, 4-5pm CT, 2-3pm PT, 7-8am JST, 10-11pm UK dial-in: 877-811-9717 pc: 440496
After this session, we will switch to our regular OGSA-WG dial-in and start to discuss without authors.
Thanks,
-- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg
--
Michael Behrens R2AD, LLC http://www.r2ad.com
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I think the schematron may be another missing link in XML world since after emergence of the XML Schema, and the SML can be a successful practice of it. The problem is that I am a bit behind the band:-p I will appreciate it if you fill in your idea occasionally. -Keisuke Michael Behrens wrote:
I agree that it is a step ahead. ACS could manage an SML XML document descriptor as well. :) SML seems to me at first glance to weave together management and deployment/provisioning and potentially more. If a "complete" model is rendered, then the model could be used to drive everything from determining where to best provision something (based on the use of constraints), and then know how to manage the system and dependencies. Maybe I'm reading too much into it for now - I'll need to study it more and try to figure out all the places where it can be applied. It will be interesting to see their scenarios. There is also a mention of a database to store and distribute models using the SML-IF potentially - a familiar pattern.
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Thanks, Mike!
This sounds like a step ahead practice than today's framework. It may help us to do things more clearly. What is your idea on this?
-Keisuke
Michael Behrens wrote:
Hi folks, sorry for the long absence. Very interesting. So we now have three of these in the mix with varying scopes? (SDD-TC, CDDLM, and SML). Pete. On Jan 15, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Keisuke Fukui wrote:
I think the schematron may be another missing link in XML world since after emergence of the XML Schema, and the SML can be a successful practice of it. The problem is that I am a bit behind the band:-p I will appreciate it if you fill in your idea occasionally.
-Keisuke
Michael Behrens wrote:
I agree that it is a step ahead. ACS could manage an SML XML document descriptor as well. :) SML seems to me at first glance to weave together management and deployment/provisioning and potentially more. If a "complete" model is rendered, then the model could be used to drive everything from determining where to best provision something (based on the use of constraints), and then know how to manage the system and dependencies. Maybe I'm reading too much into it for now - I'll need to study it more and try to figure out all the places where it can be applied. It will be interesting to see their scenarios. There is also a mention of a database to store and distribute models using the SML-IF potentially - a familiar pattern.
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Thanks, Mike!
This sounds like a step ahead practice than today's framework. It may help us to do things more clearly. What is your idea on this?
-Keisuke
Michael Behrens wrote:
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Hi Pete, Glad to hear from you! How's it going? Yes SML is interesting. It may have influence on every XML based Grid technology, but I wouldn't say it is parallel to the specific deployment specifications. BTW, there will be a presentation from NAREGI PSE at OGF19 ACS session. I hear it will include their first implementation of ACS repository replication. Are you interested in it? -Keisuke Pete Ziu wrote:
Hi folks, sorry for the long absence. Very interesting. So we now have three of these in the mix with varying scopes? (SDD-TC, CDDLM, and SML).
Pete.
On Jan 15, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Keisuke Fukui wrote:
I think the schematron may be another missing link in XML world since after emergence of the XML Schema, and the SML can be a successful practice of it. The problem is that I am a bit behind the band:-p I will appreciate it if you fill in your idea occasionally.
-Keisuke
Michael Behrens wrote:
I agree that it is a step ahead. ACS could manage an SML XML document descriptor as well. :) SML seems to me at first glance to weave together management and deployment/provisioning and potentially more. If a "complete" model is rendered, then the model could be used to drive everything from determining where to best provision something (based on the use of constraints), and then know how to manage the system and dependencies. Maybe I'm reading too much into it for now - I'll need to study it more and try to figure out all the places where it can be applied. It will be interesting to see their scenarios. There is also a mention of a database to store and distribute models using the SML-IF potentially - a familiar pattern.
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Thanks, Mike!
This sounds like a step ahead practice than today's framework. It may help us to do things more clearly. What is your idea on this?
-Keisuke
Michael Behrens wrote:
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Yes, I am interested, that's great! I may have to attend remotely, will there be a dial-in available? Pete On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Hi Pete,
Glad to hear from you! How's it going?
Yes SML is interesting. It may have influence on every XML based Grid technology, but I wouldn't say it is parallel to the specific deployment specifications.
BTW, there will be a presentation from NAREGI PSE at OGF19 ACS session. I hear it will include their first implementation of ACS repository replication. Are you interested in it?
-Keisuke
Pete Ziu wrote:
Hi folks, sorry for the long absence. Very interesting. So we now have three of these in the mix with varying scopes? (SDD-TC, CDDLM, and SML). Pete. On Jan 15, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Keisuke Fukui wrote:
I think the schematron may be another missing link in XML world since after emergence of the XML Schema, and the SML can be a successful practice of it. The problem is that I am a bit behind the band:-p I will appreciate it if you fill in your idea occasionally.
-Keisuke
Michael Behrens wrote:
I agree that it is a step ahead. ACS could manage an SML XML document descriptor as well. :) SML seems to me at first glance to weave together management and deployment/provisioning and potentially more. If a "complete" model is rendered, then the model could be used to drive everything from determining where to best provision something (based on the use of constraints), and then know how to manage the system and dependencies. Maybe I'm reading too much into it for now - I'll need to study it more and try to figure out all the places where it can be applied. It will be interesting to see their scenarios. There is also a mention of a database to store and distribute models using the SML-IF potentially - a familiar pattern.
Keisuke Fukui wrote:
Thanks, Mike!
This sounds like a step ahead practice than today's framework. It may help us to do things more clearly. What is your idea on this?
-Keisuke
Michael Behrens wrote:
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